C.A.I.R. 'wants to creat US where Islam is the only religion' - RW claim

[bobbieinok]

Heard this on RW talk show last week. They read this quote from someone who it is claimed is a C.A.I.R. leader.

Omar Ahmad
(Click Photo)
Co-founder of the Council on American-Islamic Relations
President & CEO of Silicon Expert Technologies, he is a Palestinian who grew up in a refugee camp in Jordan.

"Muslim institutions, schools and economic power should be strengthened in America. Those who stay in America should be open to society without melting, keeping Mosques open so anyone can come and learn about Islam. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to deliver the message of Islam ...... Islam isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to become dominant. The Koran, the Muslim book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on Earth."
-Omar Ahmad

At the same site there is this quote -


Ibrahim Hooper
CAIR spokesperson
(Click Photo)

" I wouldn't want to create the impression that I wouldn't like the government of the United States to be Islamic sometime in the future...But I'm not going to do anything violent to promote


http://www.anti-cair-net.org/

I realize the site is anti C.A.I.R. But does anyone know if these are real people and they have said this? As well as the other quotes at the site that they support Hamas, etc?

First - are the people, quotes real?

Second - what's your reaction? RW is going ballistic.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

1. Wow, this really pissed me off

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[Christ was Socialist]

3. How is this different from Christian dominionists and theonomists? <nt>

[stopthegop]

9. there are currently no Christians blowing up building for

their faith...that's how..

[Bridget Burke]

10. What about those buidings in Iraq?

Aren't we blowing them up? And, don't quite a few people see the war as a Holy Crusade?

[stopthegop]

12. the only people I have heard call it a Holy Crusade

are posters here...imputing the belief to others...not very convincing, really

[bobbieinok]

13. thot W early on slipped and called it a crusade - and religious right

[stopthegop]

14. in that speech? are you serious?

'crusade'is a perfectly honorable word...hysterical sensitivity to things that happened 600 years ago don't change that...
and who on the Religious Right thinks it's a crusade, and says so?

[RapidCreek]

18. Pat Robertson

RC

[stopthegop]

19. I'd love to see it..do you have a link or citation? eom

[DrWeird]

23. You mean you don't think Robertson is a christian bigot?

"When I said during my presidential bid that I would only bring Christians and Jews into the government, I hit a firestorm. `What do you mean?' the media challenged me. `You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe in the Judeo Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is, `Yes, they are.'" --from Pat Robertson's "The New World Order," page 218.

[stopthegop]

27. no...I mean:

is there a link showing Pat Robertson comparing the current conflict to the Crusades?

[RapidCreek]

43. Fill in the blanks

If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck...what is it?


"The entire world is being convulsed in a religious struggle. Oh, the struggle is whether Hubal, the Moon God of Mecca, known as Allah, is supreme, or whether the Judeo-Christian Jehovah God of the Bible is supreme," the evangelist and former Republican presidential candidate told his Israeli listeners.


http://coldfury.com/reason/comments.php?id=1386_0_1_0_C

RC

[DrWeird]

21. Jihad is a perfectly honorable word too.

It means pretty much the same thing as "crusade".

Who on the religious right thinks it's a crusade (i.e. let's kill the muslims)? Well, there's Bush. He didn't just say it once. He said it numerous times. There's Ann (kill them and convert them) Coulter. There's the televangelists. There's the republican congressmen (kill the diaperheads), there's the country musicians (it's a flag, not a towel, and we don't wear it on our heads), and then there are the US troops. There was even the General who talked about islam being evil and christianity being good.

And then there's your previous post about how only muslims are terrorists, that ignores all the christian terrorists like McVeigh and Rudolph.

[stopthegop]

25. I didn't say only Muslims are terrorists...

and please see post #16..

[DrWeird]

26. You implied it.

And you ignore the abortion clinic bombings.

And you give the old catch-22. Christians terrorists are really "christian" whereas muslims terrorists are archetypal muslims.

[stopthegop]

28. true...I wasn't thinking of abortion clinic bombings...

when was the last one, anyway?
and please point out the part of the Christian Bible that would justify them, when they did happen?

[TrogL]

11. I take it the Federal Building doesn't count

[stopthegop]

16. I think was thinking more currently than 9 years

also...you can make a case that Islamicists follow their faith...can't rationally make the case McViegh was following Christianity...

[library_max]

29. Sure you can, if you read the Bible as selectively as the Koran.

"Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, and one's foes will be members of one's own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me; and whoever does not take up the cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Those who find their life will lose it, and those who lose their life for my sake will find it." Matthew 10: 34-39. And that's not even dipping into the Old Testament.

And exactly how many years is the statute of limitations on religious terrorism? Just so we all know.

[stopthegop]

31. cute...statute of limitations..don't know...

but the word used (currently) is a hint to the topic...

[library_max]

35. So three years ago is currently but nine years ago isn't.

Good to know. It'd be too bad if you were just arbitrarily cutting off the date for the convenience of your own argument.

And by the way, that scriptural passage you were asking for in post #28? There it is.

[stopthegop]

37. if you want it to mean that...sure...

that has never been interpreted that way...you're onto something new...

have a pleasant evening.

[library_max]

39. "That has never been interpreted that way . . ."

Whew! I had no idea I was exchanging replies with the original omniscient telepathic authority on how everybody everywhere every time has interpreted every passage of the Bible! Should I stand, or kneel?

[stopthegop]

40. you should be reasonable..

allow me to restate for you: it hasn't been interpreted by a significant group...it may have been interpreted that way by someone who hated another group as much as you apparently hate Christianity...but I don't know

[library_max]

15. Oh really?

The Murraugh Building (sp?) in Oklahoma City just blew itself up, then?

[RapidCreek]

17. Let's play a little game

George Bush - Supreme Court appointed President of the United States & former CEO of 3 failed oil businesses and a Yale cheer leader, is a self proclaimed Texan of rough cut stock who grew up a pampered rich boy in New Haven Connecticut.

"Christian institutions, schools and economic power should be strengthened in America. Those who come to America should be open to assimilation, and should be weened of their false Gawds. If you choose to live here, you have a responsibility to recieve and deliver the message of Christ ...... Christianity isn't in America to be equal to any other faiths, but to remain dominant. The New Testament, the Christian book of scripture, should be the highest authority in America, and Christianity the only accepted religion on Earth."
-George Bush

Rapid Creek

[radwriter0555]

36. Think IRAQ.

It has been called a CRUSADE.

[RBHam]

42. Remember Timothy McVeigh?

By the way, if you actually care to dom some digging, it would appear that Rapture-Ennabling, ends justify the means, X-tians orchestrated 9-11, also.

http://911citizenswatch.org/

http://www.unansweredquestions.org/

http://www.letsroll911.org/

[RafterMan]

2. Don't know about CAIR

But it's a fairly common viewpoint in the Muslim world. A lot of people have a sort of implicit faith in Muslim manifest destiny. I found it unsettling to deal with, but rarely did I find anyone who I thought would do something violent to bring it about.

[cap]

4. they have their nutcases,

we Christians have ours.

[madrchsod]

5. according to the

right wing conservatives/wasps the jews have taken over america. of course they don`t say it but they believe it-they let the skin-heads neo nazi`s be their shock troops. they certainly don`t want their sons or daughters to marry a jew and joining their clubs...

[stopthegop]

8. No!!...according to people HERE Jews have taken over

America...look around...see how many 'neo-cons' are Jewish...and how poorly the disdain for Jews is hidden..

[Classical_Liberal]

32. There are non-jewish neocons. Cheny Bennet, Sullivan Kirkpatrick.

and the neocons aren't representative of the opinions of most jews. Criticism of the neocons however is completely justified. So is criticism of Aipac, also not 100% jewish.

[JCMach1]

6. Having been totally immersed in Islamic culture has given me

a bit of a different perspective on this...

I don't know this group, but they don't seem that far out of the mainstream.

A couple of points:

1. Islam is a religion, but it is also a TOTAL way of life (if you are a true believer). Of course Muslims would believe they would be better off in an Islamic country...

2. The good news is that Muslims don't tend to proselytize in the sense we think of it in the U.S. There will be no going door to door and passing out the Koran.

3. I am sorry, but Palestine is the 'bloody flag' of Arabic politics. I had to laugh out loud when I heard George Will say on Sunday (With GS) that Palestine had NOTHING to do with Iraq. Uhhhhh wake up George!!!

4. In Arabia, the Palestinians and the Iraqis are fighting wars of liberation. It's not terrorism. On top of that, groups like HAMAS are also major providers of social services and education. For most in the middle east, the assassination of Sheikh Yassin was seen as the moral equivalent of executing John Brown before the Civil War.

5. Some of the other comments by this group and its members... Give people a forum and they will say stupid things.

6. Many new ethnic groups to the US have supported not mixing. This is nothing new. It happens with every wave...

Please note, I am not defending these views... just providing a bit of context.

[Paschall]

7. Ibrahim Hooper is real

And he has been critical of ShrubCo and Bush's unilateral action in Iraq... which may explain some of the rightwing spew.

[library_max]

20. How many fundies have said that this is a Christian nation

and that we need to convert Muslims and other heathens worldwide, by force if necessary?

What's the difference? I agree with the other poster that they have their crazies and we have ours. This should be thrown in the RWs face early and often.

[stopthegop]

22. that 's a good question...do you have a link

to fundamentalists saying 'by force if necessary'?...or is that just a casual slur?

[library_max]

30. Many quotes have been given above.

Bush, Coulter, Robertson - I guess you could start with them.

[stopthegop]

34. no...'convert , by force if necessary'....besides Coulter's

hyperbole.., which didn't actually talk about forcing conversion, just killing leaders...and you know that's what is was...who has advocated conversion by force...

[library_max]

38. Ahhh. So when Coulter says it, it's hyperbole,

but when Omar Ahmad says it, it's terrorism. Good of you to clear that up for us.

[stopthegop]

41. pls see above re: reasonable...

have a good evening

[library_max]

44. Apparently "be reasonable" means "agree with stopthegop."

There doesn't seem to be any other connection. I guess it's natural for one's own opinions to seem more "reasonable" than opposing opinions, but grownups learn to use facts and logic when they try to argue.

[maggrwaggr]

24. replace "muslim" with "communist" and you have Cold War Part Deaux

these people need an enemy, so now with the Cold War dead, communism over, they're ramping up the whole "Muslims Want to Kill Us All" meme.

They're insane. And if they're not insane, they just want to keep the ol' military industrial complex going.

Which I call corporate welfare.

[Classical_Liberal]

33. Many islamist do believe these things.

.