I am not an elitist, but have doubts about the general population

[Snoggera]

and their ability to comprehend what is truly at stake in this election.

For years, many have sat back and said something to the effect of, "what the fuck? Do they really believe this shit?"

Don't give me a difficult time about the language, please, because we all know we have said something to that effect and degree.

I have given up trying to educate those who already have their mass-media beliefs carved in stone. That seems to be most. It doesn't matter how many times the lies, deceptions and mafia-type tactics are pointed out by those who have their minds open to seeing it. Most of those who support fascism have made their choice.

They support fascism. And, they don't care what others think. They have been cowed to the point that they think only this group of "thugs" are able to save them from the barbarian hordes.

There are millions, almost half the country, that will not change their minds. They are set with their beliefs, and will never admit a mistake or two or fifty.

The good side to this is that there are many who don't follow blindly.

I will not try to convince the "evil ones" of the error of their ways. I will spend my time and energy encouraging strongly all those with even a hint of belief in truth and democracy to VOTE.

How about you?

[Failure]

1. You're right.

Unfortunately, I think the "stupid" factor combined with kerry's pansy-ness will cost us the election. I hate to be pessimistic, but Bush is defining Kerry, and Kerry isn't doing shit. EXCEPT for today, he did a good job defending his record...one more time GOOD JOB...but I think he really needs to do more attacking, keep bush and cheney on the defensive...I also think he needs a running-mate like NOW...to take care of cheney and the other surrogates...

[skooooo]

2. "pansiness"???

Excuse me?

[Name removed]

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[Failure]

12. I totally resent that.

It's just my opinion based on what I've seen, read, and heard. I'm making my judgement based on the fact that shrubby's approval ratings are going UP while the whole world is exploding in violence, and the economy SUCKS! That's a little strange to me...I don't think Kerry is a pansy personally, but at the same time, I'm worried that all the GOP lies are working effectively on the american people. The country is in a war-mongering mood, and bush is capitalizing on it. What can I say?

Don't call me a republican ever again.


failure

[Snoggera]

16. Don't believe in polls anymore

they are not what they used to be. After all, who composes the questions and finds the samples?

No paper trail!

Do NOT believe a single poll you read. They are not true indicators of the population's opinions anymore.

[Failure]

17. Trust me, I don't put much faith in polls, BUT...

how else can you take the pulse of the country?

[Snoggera]

20. That's an excellent question

and my response is that there is almost no way anymore to take the pulse. Almost every method for learning the truth has been blocked or at least provided a turn sign down a path of misinformation.

We can only take our own pulse so long as we live and breathe and are conscious of the degradations of this society. And, then, hope to awaken those not already buried in the propaganda.

[Failure]

29. Alright, but the question remains...

and I have trouble beliving that no poll is accurate, no matter what.

[BiggJawn]

56. Polls are cooked.

The way they phrase the questions is suspect sometimes. I've seen some of those CNN daily polls that are worded in a way that it makes no diference if you support Shrub or think he's taking this country to Hell, the honest answer to the question would be "agree".

Like f'instance, they ask a question "Do you think the number of soldier deaths is what you expected?"
Now, a ditto-monkey who might be a little pissed at being lied to would say "no", meaning that he didn't expect as many deaths. A pessimist, such as myself, would ALSO say "no", but only becuase I'm thankful that my fears had not come to pass and TWICE as many had not been killed.

pollsters are very tricksy creatures. They can word the shit to get the results the people paying for the poll want.

Let's poll 10,000 people. the question is: "Who would you rather have for president, Chimpy McCokespoon, or Vlad the Impaler?"

Then you publish that your poll showed an overwhelming number of respondents support the Chimp....

[mike_c]

18. there's been a distressing recent tendency on DU....

...to dismiss liberals, leftists, progressives, and people critical of the Korporate Kontrolled Kongressional vetting machine as "sleeper freepers", "disrupters", and out-right repigs.

[Failure]

27. That's unfortunate, because if we become polarized...

they will win...


on edit, spelling.

[skooooo]

42. Then don't contribute to polarization...

...if you're so concerned about it.

[Failure]

52. Oh that's good...in other words...

Don't think for yourself, don't voice your own opinion or concern. gimme a break.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

61. "Pansy"???

Hey, is that you "Shekina"???

[Generator]

7. Ya know, pansies are my favorite flower

they last through even brutal winters, and have amazing colors. They have an unfortunate name.

Kerry is a warrior. Of that I'm certain. He has just begun to fight. Did you see the "Kerry demands to see Bush service records" thread?

[Failure]

14. Yes I did...

But that's really not the point. Here's a question, what took kerry so long to talk tough and defend himself like he did today? That's all I'm asking. I want to see him keep bush on the defensive, and a lot of other DU'ers are right about getting the ticket together, so whoever JK's VP may be (Clark hopefully) can attack that no good bastard Cheney, and counter all the other surrogates sliming JK.

Ok? Same team...


failure.

[Generator]

21. Well I could be wrong but I think what really matters are the two months

before November. The "non elite" types only see what's in front of them. They won't remember April.
I'm not sure Kerry should waste is energy now. He needs to drop the VP news when he needs it. It's too early.

I think BushCo has its built in explode mechanism. It's called Iraq.

But then I'm one of those "Bush is going down" people. I need it to keep my sanity.

[Terry_M]

26. If Bush Keeps Spending on Ads Now

By 2 months before the election Kerry will be accepted by the public as an unreliable flip-flopper and it'll be too late to try to change his image. Now is not a time to rest.

Besides, if the jobs start really coming back, Kerry won't have anything "important" to attack Bush on in September.

[Failure]

53. well at least you're being honest with yourself...n/t

[Failure]

15. Look...what he is to us, and how the american people see him

are two totally different things.

[yardwork]

19. I see your point, but I don't think that Bushs's approval ratings are up.

Even the polls don't show that. According to the polls, read accurately, it's a dead heat between the two.

Based on what people are actually saying, including many former Republicans, I'd say that Chimpy is in big trouble.

I also think it is too early for Kerry to pick a running mate. He needs to wait until July and choose the candidate who is best at that time.

I think that Kerry is doing ok for now. He hasn't made any big missteps. He's stayed more or less under the radar and let Chimpy shoot himself in the foot. That's good.

I expect Kerry to come out shooting sometime in late summer. We have a loooooong way to go to the election, and most people don't care as much as we do about following politics.

Don't get discouraged. Or, if you are feeling discouraged, take a break from politics. Pursue another interest for a few months instead. The election will still be here when you get back. Seriously!

[Failure]

30. OK ALERT...

What's their name up there in the thread was just telling me that I shouldn't trust polls, so which is it?

on edit "Snoggera" is "what's their name"

[Snoggera]

31. huh?

on edit "Snoggera" is "what's their name"

What exactly is the purpose of this? I am not consumed by this board, and just checked back, so may have missed something, but I am now lost on the point of this response?

Thanks for clarifying.

[Failure]

34. First you tell me never to believe any poll I see, then

Yardwork starts siting polls in a response saying he saw my point-but then talked about polls. So now which is it? Are we believing in polls or not?

[Snoggera]

37. "We" shouldn't

believe in anything outside of ourselves other than that which we personally encounter in our daily lives.

Why should anyone ever believe ANYTHING that is on the "news" or on some dumb ass show that people watch?

I don't watch, so I don't have that dumbass perspective.

Don't believe in polls unless you feel the need to be drawn this way and that repeatedly. Two weeks ago, Kerry leads by 4 points!!!!!! Now, Bush leads by 3 points!!!!!

Bullshit.

Anyone who even pays attention to "polls" these days is walking down a road of ignorance. I say again: Where do the polls come from? Who runs and tabulates these "polls?"

forget about it.

[Failure]

38. ok, you're consistant, but the question still remains...

anyone else wanna try?

[Snoggera]

3. I agree with the running mate question

break with tradition and name someone soon to watch your flank.

It's time to get the ticket together and fight.

[6000eliot]

23. After all

He has so much to attack. Why on earth is he pussyfooting around this stuff (9/11 commission, Fallujah, outsourcing, etc.)? Why doesn't somebody in power point out the fact that the douche bag was hauling around a plastic turkey on Thanksgiving? How can Kerry sit back and let these draft-evading and AWOL clowns question his war record? Sometimes I think I'm going insane. How is it that 57% of the American public still believes there are WMD in Iraq?:wtf:

[leesa]

25. He has to pace himself. Remember what they did to Dean

His "wild-eyed aggressiveness" will become the issue. Remember, Americans virtually never bother with facts...all perception and the GOP owns the perception machine.

[Nihil]

45. The saddest yet most truthful comment on this entire thread:

> Remember, Americans virtually never bother with facts ...
> all perception and the GOP owns the perception machine.

(And before anyone gets all jingoistic and defensive, the same disease
has been infecting the UK for years.)

The "controlled response" approach is really a winner for the Repubs:
Act too soon, you burn up scarce funds trying to respond to each libel.
Act too late, you can't make up the lost ground: the negative view has
become entrenched in the public memory.

The only way out for Kerry is to attack rather than defend, to define
the battleground rather than fighting each melee wherever the Rove
machine decides to stir things up, to bring up all of the Bush failures
one after the other.

He needs to activate short periods of intense visibility for each of
the errors in Bush's catalogue - long enough to make Rove *have* to
respond but short enough to avoid getting bogged down in a slugging
match that gives ground to the GOP-controlled mass media.

Recognise the truth about the voting public (sad and ugly though this
truth may be) and work to it.

Nihil

[Failure]

60. Thank You n./t

[SpiralHawk]

35. Pansies are damn tough plants

They can talke the cold, frost, and snow -- and they can take the bullshit and dish it right back. Upgrade your understanding of the plant world -- and the political world -- and you may no longer be a Failure.

Kerry is a tough Irishman. he proves it on the hockey rink, he proved it in Vietnam, and he sure as hell proves it in debate. I saw him on TV in a long string of debates Vs. William Weld in a MA Senate campaign. Weld was great -- intelligent, deep, tough, well reasoned, well-spoken. But Kerry out-classed him in every department -- including tough. He don't take no guff.

[Failure]

39. Again

I agree with our view of kerry, but we are not going to decide the election. So I'm interested in what the rest of the country is feeling...

you're missing my point...

[bearfartinthewoods]

54. Kerry is not Irish

Please don't subsidize the RW attack machine by spreading things that have alread been disproved. It just feed them ammo.

[LoZoccolo]

4. I think it's a slow kind of thing.

I remember not really caring much about the USA PATRIOT act back in like 2001. "Hey man, I've got nothing to hide." Then I read stuff like 1984 and started realizing it's not that I have something to hide, it's that someone else might think I do. But that took a while. I really don't have a short and fast rule on how to get people to care about stuff except just look for an in at the right time, be credible, and don't be obnoxious, and you'll get people to listen to you.

P.S. Actually if you do want an issue that works pretty easily, try porn. I am so not kidding. Especially if you mention that FBI resources are being put on it when we're trying to fight terrorism.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr06,0,3004361.story?coll=bal-home-headlines

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/interviews/taylor.html

[brokensymmetry]

5. I keep reading about the actual high school dropout percentage.

Supposedly, about a third of all high school students DO drop out. If that's true, then I believe it's safe to say that there are a lot of people out there who haven't been well equipped with intellectual tools...

That implies they would be susceptible to propaganda and demagoguery of every sort.

[Brillo]

33. dropout voting patterns

You are aware that a majority of high-school dropouts voted for Gore, are you not?

[tkmorris]

44. Hey Mom, look!

Here's a phony statistic, smelling faintly of the place it was pulled out of.

[brokensymmetry]

63. And are you aware -

that according to CNN exit polls, voters with post-graduate college degrees voted for Gore over the Chimpster, 52% to 44%?

No doubt you just forgot to mention that.

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/epolls/US/P000.html

[BillZBubb]

8. I share your doubts

After all the disasters, lies, and failures of this administration they still have the support of half the country. Many people obviously are blissfully ignorant and happy to remain that way.

[Snoggera]

11. Until

their children are forced to die for, let's see, what was the reason again???????

[Failure]

55. see, that's a realistic way to look at this...and you clearly

see my point.

[guitar man]

9. unfortunately

There are a great many out there that have the ability to comprehend and would make the right decision IF the major media outlets would simply tell them the truth and stop falling through their collective asses to cover for the *royal failure.

Sadly,they are trusting the mass media to tell them what is going on. Not everyone spends the kind of time seeking the truth as some of us.

[Christ was Socialist]

10. they are dumb

I think we are elitists by the sheer fact of being sensibLE.Everytime you ponder something, you are reffered to has academic or the elite. How many times have you heard criticism of academics and intellectuals. I'm like what the fuck. Then they bitch about the liberalism on univeristy campuses. Of course it's a bastion of thought, in all countries. But * doesn't like to read. Who are usually the most educated men in society? Professors, and there are 10,000 openly socialist professors in america. If you are objective and educated, you have a 890% chance of being left wing. Pick up Noam Chomsky's Hegemony or survival, It makes me almost spit on the american flag, and it's 100% historical fact. Americans have anti intellectual roots. And you don't have to be college educated or even have a diploma to be educated. Shit wolfowitz was a professor and a follow of strauss.


Anti-intellectualism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-intellectualism


--------------SNIPPET----------------------

Anti-intellectualism is found in every nation on earth. Americans, among others, have been accused quite vocally of suffering from it, particularly by the liberal literati both in the USA and in Europe. Such accusations are particularly fueled by existence of the political schism between the Republican and Democratic parties which prompt the less scrupulous contenders on both sides use it as a term of abuse for their opponents. By comparison societies in Europe and Asia are much more politically homogenous.

Historically, anti-intellectualism did play a prominent role in American culture. Some of it originated from the commonly held view among conservative Christians of old that education subverts morality and religious belief. The validity of this view, in fact, was well substantiated by the spread of atheism and Deism among the educated during the Enlightenment. Hence, for instance, the New England Puritan writer John Cotton wrote in 1642 that "The more learned and witty you bee, the more fit to act for Satan will you bee."

A much more important historical source of anti-intellectualism has been the 19th century popular culture. At the time when the vast majority of the population was involved in manual labor, bookish education, which at the time focused on classics, was seen to have little value. It should be noted that Americans of the era were generally very literate and, in fact, read Shakespeare much more than their present day counterparts. However, the ideal at the time was an individual skilled and successful in his trade and a productive member of society; studies of classics and Latin in colleges were generally derided in popular culture. Anti-intellectual folklore values the self-reliant and "self-made man," schooled by society and by experience, over the intellectual whose learning was acquired through books and formal study. A character of O'Henry has noted that once a graduate of an East Coast college gets over being vain, he makes just as good a cowboy as any other young man.

Today both of the factors discussed above are pretty much non-existent in America. Christian thinkers, who no longer have much influence in society in any event, no longer consider education in general evil, although they may object to some of its specific un-Christian aspects, e.g. alleged anti-religious propaganda in schools and colleges. The ideal of the self-made man without schooling has also disappeared together with the once-plentiful manual jobs; in today's society education is generally seen as essential and roughly speaking most everybody either graduated from college or is hoping to do so sooner or later.

A major preserve of real, militant anti-intellectualism in today's America (as perhaps in many other countries) is a youth subculture often associated with those students who are more interested in social life and athletics than in their studies. Such subculture exists among students of all groups, although among Asians Americans it is reputedly much less pronounced. On the other hand, there exists much anecdotal evidence of anti-intellectualism among African American youth who may consider focusing on school studies a "white" thing. Needless to say, there are plenty of loafers and anti-intellectuals among white students also.

Perceived lack of "real life" usefulness, as well as, allegedly, academic rigor in humanities studies in the universities have contributed to much disdain for such studies, particularly among those who study, or have studied, technical subjects. This may be considered anti-intellectualism, or perhaps a "rival-intellectualism" inasmuch as people, who may think that intellectual pursuit of study of English literature is useless, may think that studying mechanical engineering, which is an intellectual activity of no little complexity, is useful and good. A characteristic criticism, not necessarily valid by any means, of the study of humanities is that teaching students literature prepares them to become future professors of literature.

American educational system also serves as a significant wellspring of anti-intellectualism in its reputed failure to impart the necessary knowledge and skills to make informed decisions about the world to its students, of which see below.

[6000eliot]

24. Exactly.

Kerry gets accused of "flip-flopping," but it's actually called "thinking."

[Muddleoftheroad]

43. The reason for anti-intellectualism

Is shown by threads like this and the contempt people have for the common man and woman.

[Christ was Socialist]

58. That's another reason why liberals ar eout of power

As a socialist I want everyone to max out thier mental capabilities. You go on about htis commmon man crap, look we got a preety common man intellectually in the office right now. In fact the majority of americans are "common" and where does it take us? BUsh's poll numbers are up. By your logic it is okay to be a raving dumbass. No it isn't there is no execuse. As i said you don't have to have a diploma or a degree to be an intellectual, nor even middle or upper class. Liberals need to quit making excuses, and being politically correct. The majority are fucking stupid. It's that simple, don't believe me? check out the hundreds of books by sociologists, psychologist , philosphers, linguists and many more on amazon, or google. Movements don't begin by patting one on the head and saying there there, stay in your place, you are special because you are you. Thats about as condescending as one can be. Thank the "common" for the bush administration and hatred globally for america, an much more to come soon.

[KissMyAsscroft]

13. Its the media people...

Doesnt matter what Kerry says...they will whore for shurb and ignore Kerry..

Face it, we are screwed until we deal with the media.

[bemildred]

22. The government does not encourage participation in the political process.

Rather the opposite.
Blaming that on the citizenry is backwards to the facts.

[Skittles]

28. what kills me is we are fighting for ALL OF US

including those dimwits who are conditioned to vote against their own self-interest

[ACK]

32. Remember Gore won the popular vote

Think about it.

+

[Michael Costello]

36. Is public dumb or are activists lazy?

I consider the corporate media to be lying and discouraging and dumbing down people all of the time, so left unchecked, most people will be dumb. However, a constant refrain I hear is "most Americans are reactionary and dumb, so doing anything is a waste of time". I don't really agree with this viewpoint, I see the real fault being with people who have a greater interest in political affairs for whatever reason doing very little in terms of organizing and activism. Since voting is something done only once a year, and unions are to this day the backbone of get out the vote for the Democratic party, and in general, have in some fashion been the roots of most progressive movements, from the civil rights movement to the anti-war movement, you'd think more people would be showing up at picket lines and helping out, but that is not the case. Usually the only people you find are people from another local in the continually diminishing labor movement. Anyhow, people are sitting on their behinds not organizing, so it's quite obvious people are misinformed as people are out there trying to misinform them. If everyone's precondition for getting involved was a properly informed populace, things will stay the way you describe for a long time.

[chelsea0011]

40. Look at Nixon's numbers for his second term.

All his problems and he rolled over America. Kent State, Spiro, Vietnam, recession, and even Watergate was in the news prior to the election. How?

[FizzFuzz]

41. DONATE to MoveOn!

They understand that its the media feeding image after image to a public that barely bothers to read.....MoveOn is aiming for 50 million grassroots dollars to fight the Bushco warchest.

Part of the money will go to Kerry's campaign, part will go to create more TV and print ads....

I agree with folks who say the problem is that the media witholds facts. NOt only that, but so many people have a 2 second attention span; its slick hard hitting visual ads that will pierce the fog.

[Briarius]

46. I know what you mean

I just try to remember three things:
1. They've been lied to over and over and over and they need to trust something. Usually that's the news since it's assumed that they will tell the truth.
2. They're incredibly busy. Between work and kids and bills and everything else, they don't have/make time to really look into the issues deeply.
3. They're scared. Because they watch the news, they're scared that we're going to be attacked. More than that, they're scared that we're going to loose our way of life. By that I mean loose their stuff.

Even with all of that, they're still normal people and if you can convince them that you're on the up-and-up, you may still have a chance.

If not, you could be this type of elitist

[mmonk]

47. You are right in a sense

People just view this as a typical election. They view the current administration as just conservative, not radical. The situation is made worse by me too democrats on foreign policy. Sometimes, I feel that all we can do is go along for the ride and have things deteriote further before people get a clue (I know, a pessimistic view).

[the skeptic]

48. unfortunately, threads like this are why......

....the general population has doubts about the left. The sense of arrogance, of "I know what's best for you, you ignorant pig" is one of the reasons why a sizeable portion of the population doesn't trust liberals.

Liberals have a great message but are absolutely lousy at communicating it. They come across as too preachy, too self righteous. And whether this is true or not is moot-it's the perception that hurts.

[mmonk]

49. People can't stand the truth sometimes

There's no looking into the mirror or self-evaluation as to why they believe what they do.

[BabsSong]

50. Now--do you want to deal with the truth (god forbid)

Here's where we are. Unfortunately the Kerry campaign has sucked and has been as bad at planning an attack as Georgie is in solving Iraq. Read here last night that THANK GOD the ad writers have been fired---my, god, a high school student could have done as well. Someone is finally figuring out that we are numerous days late and a few nickles short!! From Time magazine I discovered that Kerry has two groups in his campaign. The first is headed by Mary (I bailed your ass out in Iowa) Cahill who brings with her people from what they term the "Ted Kennedy" office and who have the view of 'take the fight to them and smash them in the face". The other is a bunch of old DLC/Clinton people who want us to be low key, nice, pansy-like. And apparently Kerry was drifting again over to their side (come on John, how many goddamn times to you have to fire people like that to get the picture?!). Hopefully, once John lost his cool yesterday that bells went off and they can see by newspapers, etc. today that he not only made news but did damage to Bush. He has to flush these old Clinton people and he better run like a son of a bitch back to Cahill and the "Kennedy" approach. Honey, it's our failure as much as the American public's stupidity at fault here. We either wise up or we are dead before we even begin to fight.

[Failure]

62. thanks babs...n/t

[kaitykaity]

51. The truth always wills out.

So I guess I disagree with you. History is replete with groups like the Bush cabal. They always fail, becaus of the inevitable consequences of their abuses of power. They are too stupid to understand that to keep hold of their power, they have to maintain a stable, happy, relatively content middle class--the rubes you are talking about who are fat and happy and will allow things to continue status quo.

If enough people are hurting this November, the Bush cabal is toast. The best way to reach them is to feel their pain, as Clinton did. Once you do that, their stubbornness melts away.

[msmcghee]

57. They're not Morans . . just humans. Karl Rove has a lock on them.

Karl understands that difference implicitly.

What you are seeing is a perfect example of a mob that's been egged on by an ideologue (administration). 9/11 was the perfect catalyst for them.

What makes liberals different from average citizens is that we resist mob mentality more than usual. I think most liberals really bend over back wards to consider both sides of an issue . . even when the issue is very emotional. Of course, once we latch on to a (liberal) issue emotionally, we're just as likely to follow that path.

But most people don't bother with that. It's so much easier to let yourself get swept along with the crowd. There's all that positive feedback - all those American flags on the cars and all those RW talk jocks (the cheerleaders). It's just like rooting for your high school football team, but this time the whole Federal government is praising you (and praying with you) to get it on . . while they depict liberals as unAmerican.

That's a very emotional package. And their followers typically have Fox News on continuously when they're not watching a particular program. That constant emotional feedback - it's called brainwashing. This has been going on since 9/11. It will impossible to change most of them - ever. We could get our asses kicked and retreat from Iraq in shame - and they'd blame liberals (us) for undermining the administration's resolve and tieing their hands. They will never admit they are wrong on this. That's the power of emotionality wielded on a national scale by professionals with an unlimited budget.

The fact is, most of us humans are very susceptible to emotionality when making decisions (especially where our lives are at stake) - and Karl has a lock on that track to the votes (so far). We are probably incapable of making critical decisions that don't "feel" right to us - no matter the logic.

The only way we can win is if Kerry presents a coherent and powerful "emotional" package to voters (at least that 7% in the wishy-washy middle that will probably decide this election) that trumps the war-drums of the administration. So far he acts as if he believes that appeals to fairness and rationality will do the trick.

He, like most of us liberals, is dumbfounded that the other fifty percent can't "logically" see the duplicity and errors of the administration and is sure that eventually they'll get it if he just keeps saying it. He's wrong. They will only be swayed be a more powerful emotional message that they can identify with - and as time goes by I see less evidence that Kerry understand this.

(Most criticisms of Kerry so far have emphasized his lack of emotion and passion in his delivery.)

The march in Washington last weekend probably did more for Kerry than Kerry has for himself so far. That was an emotional package effectively delivered and gave Americans on the fence an opportunity to identify with a "better" vision of America.

Sorry this was so long but if you get this far, thanks for reading my vent.

[cclark401]

59. Honestly...

Think about the thousands of Americans who don't read the paper, and who don't watch the news! Of those thousands a high percentage of them do vote. (ONLY God knows how they make up their minds.)

People are sick of Bush*. He will not win this election. I live in the south and I've spoken with lots of relatives who voted for * before who will not this time. With most of these people it's not a matter of liking Kerry, it's a matter of disliking Bush.

Personally I would much rather be voting for Dean in November. However I will cast my ballot against our current resident in the WH with pride.

Polls--I know they are rigged for the most part. Won't it be nice when shrub looses and all these pollsters try to figure out what went wrong with their stats!!!!!