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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:31 PM
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Debunking the latest neo-con(freeper) lie
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MSgt213 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:37 PM
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1. These people can't be this stupid can they. But of course they never
served in the military so they don't know that whenever you sign a contract in the military you have active duty time and reserve time. If you spend anywhere from two to three years on active duty the rest of your contract is inactive reserve time or IRR. The only requirment is for them to have your correct address. That's it.
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:45 PM
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2. The next thing they'll claim is that Kerry never was in Vietnam
does this ever stop?

this is an easy comparison:

Kerry was in Vietnam, fighting for his and his fellow soldier's lives

Bush still can't find proof that he served ALL of his time in Alabama National Guard (besides having a dental exam). The only dangerous thing he did back then was driving drunk and snorting coke

How dare they even compare a Vietnam veteran with that incompetent weasel
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beyurslf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:56 PM
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4. But questioning Bush about what he did 20 years ago
is off limits. After all, those were youthful indiscretions and he has changed, with God's help of course, since then. We shouldn't judge Bush or hold him accountable for things he did (or didn't do) in the 70's.

Now with that all cleared up we can hear more about Kerry and his failures related to Vietnam...

<sarcasm off>

They apparently don't see the obviously different standards by which they judge the two men.
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GiovanniC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 02:27 PM
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6. Hey...
George W. Bush was in a very dangerous situation. When he got anesthesia during his dental visit, he could have had an allergic reaction or some other complication... think how close he was to dying!

Meanwhile, John Kerry was in some tropical jungle, cruising around on a boat without a care in the world.

I think the American voters can understand this distinction.

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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 02:42 PM
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8. darn...you are right. Forgot about that dangerous anesthesia...
...the pretzel incident was pretty dangerous, too.

I guess HE is the one who deserves the 3 purple hearts. One for not killing anyone while he was driving drunk, one for the bravery during a dental exam, and the other one for successfully eliminating the threat of the deadly pretzel

Sorry, I was wrong. What a brave leader we have :puke:
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CompassionateLiberal Donating Member (68 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 01:47 PM
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3. Interesting, but...
Don't know if any of this is true, but even if it was, I would think that transferring from one voluntary civic duty (navy) to another voluntary civic duty (congress) would be cause for relief from active drills. (Especially after serving how many tours in The Sh!t and receiving how many medals?)

Still seems like a huge contrast from W. who went AWOL from the Champagne Unit to work on his daddy's buddy's campaign, and then take an early leave to speed thru Harvard leaving only c-grades and a large white cloud in his wake.
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 02:01 PM
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5. Sheesh, I was in the IRR from 1992 until 1999.
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 02:03 PM by Redleg
I never had to do squat. Of course I completed my required active duty and active reserve time before I went IRR. The point is, while on IRR I was able to get fat, grow a beard, and forget I was ever in the Army. It wasn't until 1999 that a career management officer called me and told me my time was up- I could either go back into the active reserve or resign my commission. I chose the latter since none of my uniforms fit and I didn't want to shave my goatee.
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Mountainman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 02:37 PM
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7. When I returned from Vietnam I went to inactive reserve.
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 02:38 PM by Mountainman
I was drafted for 2 yrs and in inactive reserve for 6yrs I think. I would have to look at my records to be sure of the number of years I was in the reserves.

If there was a national emergency I could have been placed in the active reserves but that never happened. I did not have to go to meetings or drill during my reserve time.

Kerry's reserve time was the same as mine.

Freepers generally do not have anything that is even close to facts so they make them up. They were founded to make up facts about Clinton. Their leader Jim Rob is so anti liberal I think he is deranged and so he draws similar types to his web site like flies to shit. As a matter of fact I don't think there is much difference between freeperville and its freepers and shit and its flies.
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AntiCoup2K4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 02:51 PM
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9. Doesn't matter whether it's true or not. It's in the right wing pipeline .
Even before Freep #5 debunked the story, Freeps 1-4 had probably e mailed it to fellow Freeps, their favorite hate radio shows, Drudge, FAUX, you name it. This shit will be all over TV by the end of the week.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 03:07 PM
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10. It's so clear that the freepers are a bunch of chickenhawks
With the exception of a very few, they don't/didn't seem to understand how inactive reserves work. My husband was active duty Army from 1993-1999, inactive reserves from 1999-2001. Inactive reserves just means they can call you back. There are no requirements of service during that time or any pay. It's a formality more than anything. Clueless freaking chickenhawks! Why don't they talk about their Emperor's service (lack thereof)?
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