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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 04:40 PM
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Everyone is a hero these days
Does this bother anyone else? "Hero" is thrown around like there is no tomorrow anymore. And it pisses me off.

See, I have no problem whatsoever with honoring someone who performed a heroic deed of some sort - they ARE heroes. This country is filled with them... and some make the evening news, but most don't.

What I have a problem with is the Hero Generalization Factor. Been in the military? Hero. Cop, firefighter? Hero. Sports star? Hero. To the brainwashed - Commander in Thief? Hero.

This is how I see it - military service is extremely commendable. Police and firefighters are commendable. Heroes? Some most definitely ARE heroes. As are others in many other professions, or no profession at all. But to lump everyone in a profession as a "hero" just trivializes real heroes. The definition of a hero is one that performs a heroic deed. Is a job title, or simply presence, enough to equal that these days?

My husband was in the Army for years, never in combat (fortunately). Is he a great guy? Absolutely. Do I respect his service? Most definitely. But he's not a hero, he hasn't earned that title - and to say he has is greatly diminishing the recognition that should be given to true heroes. Sure, he's my personal hero... but that's beside the point. ;) His service, in and of itself, doesn't qualify him for hero status.

What is everyone else's thoughts on this? I guess in the end it's a semantic thing, but I have noticed that seeing the title of hero being thrown around is quickly becoming one of my pet peeves.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 04:44 PM
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1. It turns out to mean nothing with over use.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 04:44 PM
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2. ITA.
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 04:45 PM by Ilsa
I'm a nurse. I've been exposed to TB, HIV, violence inthe workplace, etc. Am I a hero? I don't think so. I think you are right about there being too much generalization about heroes, and ITA that it trivializes real life & death sacrifices.

On edit: I guess trivializing it makes it that much easier for the Chimp to qualify.
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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 04:46 PM
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3. thanks for bringing this up
I've noticed that this 'hero' crap is everywhere - it's like things are so grim they need to boost up the morale of the proles with a parade of heroes.

This is how ridiculous it's gotten - CNN was running some silly little 'heroes' segment on Kagan's show, and they featured a paper boy who had noticed that some old lady hadn't picked up her paper for three days.

After three days - THREE DAYS - the paper boy alerts the authorities. I'm surprised that after three days of no food and water the old lady didn't kick! I hate to use the cliche, but she'd fallen and couldn't get up.

So, this little misfit who waited THREE DAYS when he knew the old lady picked up her paper daily, lived alone, and was frail and infirm is heralded on CNN as a HERO. This is how sad and pathetic this country has become.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 04:53 PM
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7. Hey!....I'll have you know...
The other day I started to make a right turn and Lo & behold...
...a child was crossing the street RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME!!
I stopped..missing her by 20 feet. Call the news ...call the press
I saved her life.....I'm a true American Hero.

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Neecy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 04:59 PM
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8. this is news!
Was the child traumatized having the car screech to a stop 20 feet away from her? Did her family lavish you with praise for 'saving' the life of their little princess?

I think we should all write CNN and ask them to feature you as a 'hero'...hell, if that paper boy qualifies, you're IN. You gave that kid a chance to live, the paper boy practically pulled the trigger!
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 05:04 PM
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11. Almost every day I save a life...
my own. by looking both ways before I cross the street.

Here's to HEROES like us! This Bud's for ME!
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 05:09 PM
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13. LOL! Hear hear!
I was just thinking... my son is a hero TOO! Last summer as we were leaving the beach, my youngest son gave his water wings to a young girl arriving that didn't have any. Those water wings just might have saved her life. What time shall we throw the parade?
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 05:12 PM
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18. Your post got me thinking
Where do we draw the line between acting like a human being, a member of a community - and being a hero? If I see some child about to be hit by a car, or drowning, or whatever, and I do nothing... that is disgraceful and shameful because I wasn't living up to being a decent human being. If I help out, then I am being a decent human being. Unless my life was in dire danger while doing the deed, all I did was what ANY decent human being should be doing.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 04:48 PM
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4. I don't believe that is a nonconformist attitude.
A hero is a special definition above and beyond normality. I agree with you.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 04:48 PM
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5. Yep...I've noticed the word "Hero" thrown around
like rice at a wedding also.
Our local news (Tampa) the other night made the quote "All of our Heros will be home this weekend" I thought to myself ...WTF????
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Qanisqineq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 04:49 PM
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6. I agree
I am sick of hearing "hero" thrown around, too. MSNBC's "hero" segment (different from the men and women serving segment and wall) is just sickening. My husband is currently in the army, just finished about a year in Iraq, and he does not think of himself as or want anyone to call him a hero.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 05:00 PM
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9. I totally agree. I've been thinking the same thing lately.
It has gotten ridiculous. I think the word "victim" is thrown around loosely as well. These days it seems that everyone who has had anything even remotely bad happen in his or her life is called a victim. That can lead to problems of people continuing to hang on to their victim status and behave as such rather than taking control of their situation and being proactive in their lives. I'm not meaning to minimize the situation of those who are truly victims--they certainly do exist--I'm just commenting on the overuse of the word in a similar manner as with the word 'hero.'
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 05:00 PM
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10. Makes me crazy
The use of 'hero' diminishes the contributions of true heroes. Some police, firefighters, and military personnel are heroic but doing your job does not make you a hero. I think the real heroes are those who work their entire lives serving their community and country. Folks who work in homeless shelters, battered women's shelters, or after-school programs in crime ridden areas. As a society, we ignore them but they often give their entire lives.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 05:12 PM
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16. Is there a difference between Hero and Saint?
I would describe what you are referring to as Saint-like and to be very highly commended but still not Heroic. I guess I have a stricter definition of Hero than most. I consider being heroic as having to do with great bravery and daring. I certainly could be wrong though.
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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 05:06 PM
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12. i'll tell you who the fucking heros are
Writers that dissent. Revolutionaires for freedom, the workers who go into the third world without trying to promote thier religion. No one who kills is a hero in my book. I can barely make it day today because of the guilt i feel over the last few million years. I think back to what it must have been like to see the truth in ancient civilazations, to see thru the catholic churchs old bullshit. Those who live under oppression but don't conform to it like the majority of citizens, but try to change it are heros. I can't imagine being imprisioned for years for freedom. I think most of all, because it was recent, are the civil rights era, and my socialist bretheren during the red scare of the early 20's and 50's. Now we have the illusion of freedom, but then they didn't even have that.No wonder so many leftists intellectuals take to the bottle, the more you learn the more you see the truth, the more it hurts. Chomsky has got to be a depressed man. Heros are those Iraqis protesting this bullshit.
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Gogi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 05:11 PM
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14. The tabloids started this.
They always call people who are disabled or sick heroic. I am disabled but certainly don't consider myself heroic. Now, if I drive my wheelchair in front of a bus to save a child THAT would be heroic.
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 05:11 PM
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15. I think a lot of positive descriptions are over used.
And yes, I agree with you.

"Everyone is a hero"... by doing their jobs? Going above and beyond what is expected is a hero. If everyone is considered a hero, then why bother going above and beyond.

Here are some that annoy me:

"Everyone is a winner"...so who is the loser? What are they winning? Is what they are winning worth it? I see this in the poorer neighbourhood schools. On the surface, it sounds like a great way to give children self esteem, however, when the children are not taught how to compete honourably and when they do actually win and are not honoured for their win...they find it discouraging. Why bother.

"Everyone is an artist"...doesn't that rather, diminish the artist? Not 'everyone' can do art. Most of us in fact. However, by claiming "everyone is an artist" doesn't that somehow make art not important? If everyone can do it... then who needs artists? (I do, because I can't.)


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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 05:22 PM
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19. Art is in the eye of the beholder ~ Everyone can be an artist
They may not produce art that I care for but they produce something they consider art and who am I to say it isn't?
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Gemini Cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 05:39 PM
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20. Can everyone be a sociologist?
Or a doctor? Lawyer?
Truck driver?
Why is it that few can be the above, but everyone can be an artist?
Why are artists and what they do so diminished? By diminished, I mean if everyone can do art, who needs the artist?

Maybe it would be better to say "everybody can attempt art." That I would actually agree with. B-)
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 06:22 PM
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21. Anyone can attempt anything, but only some have real talent at it
Goes for sports, professions, artistic endeavors, pretty much everything.
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gpandas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 05:12 PM
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17. must be that song...
you are the wind beneath...
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Rebellious Republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 07:44 PM
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22. Excellent topic nonconformist, I myself served 10 yrs in the Navy.
I was Combat Aircrew, and was also a member of a combat camera team in Beirut. I proudly displayed my Naval Aircrew Wings of Gold, I received a Naval Expeditionary Medal for my time in Beirut. I have other awards and citations as well, but consider those Gee Dunk. I flew on some risky missions and was on the ground with FMF (Fleet Marine Forces) in Lebanon after the barracks were attacked, thats why I was sent there. I never considered myself a hero, my family and friends never treated me like one. There were no parades or homecomings for many of us returning from Beirut. Most people back then did not even know where or what Beirut was. I joined because it was the only way for a poor kid with no scholarships to get out of a one stop light hick town. I was looking for a little adventure and to see the world that I knew that I would never be able to afford on my own. What I am leading to is that I agree, the word hero has been over used.

I was not a hero, like Max Cleland, who threw himself on a grenade. The repubs would have you believe that he screwed up by losing his own grenade while boarding a plane. OK, so he accidental lost his own grenade. Here is what makes him a HERO, he WAS in Vietnam, he saw a grenade with no pin bouncing around in front of him, and he threw himself on it to protect others that were nearby. How many people would simply run the other way to save themselves. Gee I guess if he had a college deferment or was playing soldier in the Texas ANG he would probably still have all of his body parts because he would not have been in that situation to have make a very self sacrificing decision.

John Kerry is a Hero, yeah so they handed out Purple Hearts for getting so much as a scratch while in combat. Again, at least he was in combat, not at college or supposedly zipping around the friendly Texas Sky's. Besides the three Purple Hearts awarded he also recieved a Bronze Star with a V and a Silver Star. Here is the criteria for receiving a Silver Star,The Silver Star is awarded to a person who, while serving in any capacity with the U.S. Armed Forces, is cited for gallantry in action against an enemy of the United States while engaged in military operations involving conflict with an opposing foreign force, or while serving with friendly foreign forces engaged in armed conflict against an opposing armed force in which the United States is not a belligerent party. The required gallantry, while of a lesser degree than that required for award of the Distinguished Service Cross, must nevertheless have been performed with marked distinction. John Kerry's boat was attacked by the enemy with B40 rocket, nuff said about that.

Should I mention John McCain, you know the Senator that chose to run against Shrub in the 2000 primaries that they tried to slander. Not only did he live in hell in a Vietnamese POW camp for FIVE years but he also survived a mishap on board his aircraft carrier. Yes he was in his cock pit when a missile from another plane was accidentally launched into his plane, as he was scrambling to get out the missile impacted and exploded. He barley escaped to fly another day for his date with destiny in Hanoi.
These are what I consider military hero's, however like you said there are hero's that are not or never have been in the military. Average everyday people, clergy, civil rights leaders and to many others to name that have put themselves in harms way or that have had to make a snap self sacrificing decision to protect others at there own personal expense whether with their lives or material well being. That is what makes a hero in my book! Good post nonconformist, you make us think, thank you.
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