Four More Years----Maybe It's What We Deserve.......

[BabsSong]

We are an ugly, hyocritical nation. Don't try to defend us. It's like breaking a law and then pleading that you didn't "know" it was a law. That does not get you off---ignorance is NO PLEA. We wave flags and salivate over war and finger our crosses and wrap ourselves in the flag. But we are the 'evil'---gasp, there..I said it. We support the war because we are too lazy, incurious and stupid to research what this is all about. We cheer the liar 'caue he's OUR LIAR--want to make something out of it??--we will blow you up if you do. I know one thing. This cannot go on forever. This always ends in misery. Maybe fate's misery is "four more years". We are like a spoiled, self-centered brat who needs a good spanking. I think we just might get it. The mighty can be taken down in so many ways.

[Generator]

1. Well with your avatar I guess you'll always have Paris

[movonne]

2. Maybe this is so, but if he gets it, there will be no more America

as we knew it. No Democratic party...no freedoms..no abortion choice and we could go on and on and on. So I think we have to fight as hard as we can because this might be our last chance.

[BeHereNow]

12. As IF there were now? What are you smoking?

"No Democratic party..."
You ARE joking right?
There is no democratic party now!
There are approximately 10 representatives
that have NOT sold out to the corporatists.
Unless we can purge the other 500 + so called
"representatives," you can kiss it all good bye
tonight.
The Senate and Congress is crawling with snakes
and vipers- there is not a true representative in sight,
with the exception of a VERY few.
And the dumb assed 'murikkkans don't even blink
at the fact that their so called representatives
have approved the use of their tax dollars
to fund a RECORD number of Merc soldiers
who are defending not OUR interests, but the
multi-national corporations to whom the
fuckers in our representative seats of power
are beholden.
the same FUCKERS who are willing to send our children to
die so that the dumb assed 'murikkkan sheeple will
okay the draft they are about to instate in order to assure
more corporate profits for them and their masters.
WAKE UP PEOPLE!
We are now governed by the MIC and they don't
give a SHIT about you.

BHN

[robbedvoter]

3. BS! No one deserves that! We didn't vote for him!

How can you spout such hateful nonsense? :argh:

[Kanary]

4. And I'll go you one further

Maybe the Dems deserve it, too. The Party has mostly sold out to the DLC conservatives, the corporations, so the whole country will be run by the corporations no matter who "wins" the election. Maybe the DEMs need to actually experience that, and actually live as wage slaves so that they will then understand just what the poor in this country are going through.

NOBODY but NOBODY is interested in the issues involving poor people. Even Kucinich has left it off his list of "petitions".

None of that is going to change until everyone has to live poor.

Then, maybe there'll be a rush to the barricades.

Until then, "Let 'em eat cake" is the song of the nation.

Kanary

[lovedems]

5. Being a catholic, I would bet money that the catholic church would lay

off Kerry and support him if he talked about the poor and how to help them. The poor and universal healthcare are two issues very important to the catholic leaders.

[Cleita]

14. So have you written his campaign about this?

If not, you should.

[lovedems]

24. He met with the Bishop in Washington. I am sure he has an idea

of what the Catholic leaders would like out of him. I totally support Kerry wanting to practice his faith personally and seperate from his public life. I think he needs to remember that he represents all of his constituents and not all of them are Catholic.

My original post was just my opinion. I could be wrong.

[Cleita]

31. I am old enough to remember the slags hurled at Kennedy.

I wasn't old enough to vote then (voting age was twenty-one then and I was three month's short). There was so much apprehension about a Catholic in the WH for the very first time. "Of course he would be dictated to from the Vatican." Abortion wasn't an issue then, nor were women's rights so it didn't come into the equation, but they sure turned up any anti-Catholic dirt they could.

Kennedy very eloquently explained his position. His duty to his country could not be determined by his personal and private religious beliefs. Kerry must do the same and he must make sure the Church doesn't fuck him up on it. At that time Kennedy's position had the full support of the American Catholic church. The Vatican made sure to say that their realm was the spiritual and not the temporal.

What changed?

[Kanary]

16. Well, that's good news

So, why aren't the Catholics making a big issue of it like they do with abortion????

If they were to put their resources into the poverty issue like they do with abortion, then it would go somewhere. I guess they'll just wait it out until thousands more die of poverty in this country. Of course, somehow, those deaths are quite as important as fetuses.

You'll have to excuse my anger...... I've been working and working on this, and it's MY OWN survival that is threatened, yet there are deaf ears everywhere. I feel horribly isolated, unneeded, unwanted and just plain tossed out of the Party.

Kanary

[lovedems]

22. To be honest with you, this year is the first year I have seen

(or the first year I have paid attention to the Catholic Church in politics) but I am surprised the Catholic Bishops are taking such a strong stand this year. This strikes me as atypical. A year ago when we went to mass, our Msgr. did many homilys in his stance against the war so they took a stand then, but not so publicly.

I wish I had an answer. I don't pretend that my church or my faith are perfect and this is one of those examples of imperfection.

I excuse your anger. I have felt that anger myself.

[bagnana]

26. The Catholic church should lay off of Kerry.

Doesn't the church (and the Pope) officially disavow birth control? Does that mean any politican who believes in birth control should not be allowed to take communion? Death penalty? Divorce? There are politicians in the church who want to see Kerry lose, and they using religion to try to do it. Sometimes I get so pissed off thinking about the Catholic church sitting there pointing fingers at Kerry for supporting the right to choose, when its own representatives molested children and the church let them get away with it for so damn long. Where were they on protecting kids then? Where were they in actively working to expose and prevent it from happening again?

[Kanary]

28. Actually, that wasn't what we were talking about.

But in your haste to defend Kerry, you didn't notice that I was actually talking about my own survival.

This *wasn't* an attack on the church. It was a plea for more attention given to poverty issues.

Kanary

[BlueJazz]

6. I understand what you're saying and.....

..even what you're thinking 'cause I feel the same way 80 percent of the time but on the other hand the old saying that goes:
"People deserve the kind of Government that they have" does not ring true for me.
Nobody deserves the likes of George Bush and the Republican party.

[nonconformist]

7. Who's this "we", kimosabe?

Because it certainly isn't me.

[robbedvoter]

11. THANK YOU. Some aliens seem to speek for us

This is so unbelievable arrogant! :puke:

[Seldona]

8. Speak for yourself.

Don't defend America?

I will do as I please.

And I still can, without fear of reprisal. For the most part anyway.

I see beauty, and kindness every single day in this country. It is everywhere.

Simply because, for whatever reason, you choose to focus on the negative does not make it so.

Are these scary times? Important? Are there dark forces (for lack of a better term, I know it sounds cheesy) at work pushing a literally insane agenda?

You bet.

But with rhetoric like that, who needs enemies?

I love this country.

It is why I do what I can to ensure *Bush does not see another term.

For now, that is good enough for me.

We are not going to get everything in one shot.

And those that think we can are naive.

But whatever, you have the right to think what you want.

Meanwhile those of us that do believe this country is worth fighting for will be working ourselves to the bone to see that this madman does not see another 4 years.

Just my 2 cents.

[Q]

9. Nixon and Reagan got a second term...

...and to this day no one understands why. Perhaps it had something to do with Republicans playing 'follow the leader' no matter how crazy or incompetent THEIR leaders appeared.

- The same thing is happening now with Bush* The Unqualified. Unfortunately...there's no brave DEMOCRATS (beyond Byrd, Kennedy and a few others) willing to confront the Bushies and expose the charade.

- Although the 'new' Democrats hate my message...I've been warning since 2000 that we fight Bush* head on or face the real possibility of another four years of the same.

[Cleita]

23. Dried out Bushes also cause fires in the West.

The problem is that they take a lot of others with them. This is a metaphor, but the scenario worries me.

[Blue-Jay]

10. You know, I've been thinking about this a little.

Four more years of Bush, unconcerned about re-election, would be a ruinous travesty in our country's history. We'd be fucked, and I mean royally fucked for years to come. Our rights would be further abridged, our economy would tank, our "enemies" abroad would grow, etc. Screwed.

However.... What better way for the general public to finally wise up about the far right? Many RWers I know have done just that after only one term under these pieces of crap. Four more years (in spite of the aforementioned "royal fucking" that we'd take) might JUST change the minds of the opposition. Maybe, just maybe some eventual good could come out of it. Maybe, "we the people" would finally start paying more attention to the world, to the news, to the lies that we're told.

Look at voter turnout in Europe for an example. Why is it so high? Maybe it's because the entire continent was ruined in the 1940's, and the people wised up and started paying attention after that. Four more years would certainly suck for us for a long time, but it might also turn the tide for our future as well. Just like a drug/alcohol addict, you sometimes have to hit rock bottom before you're willing to take control of your future.

Just rambling and thinking out loud. Don't mind me.

Caveat: I'm still confident that we're going to win in November. I just wonder if our win will make a difference in the long run. I hope it does, but I'm not yet convinced.

[MallRat]

40. I respectfully disagree.

I remember back in 2000, when Bush was (s)elected, hearing liberal activists of all stripes strain to find a silver lining. Some of them said that maybe the next four years would awaken activism from the complacency of having Clinton for eight years.

Four years later, I'd have to say that's bullshit. I'd much rather have a Democratic President and Congress protecting the values I hold dear, than having the GOP control the entire government, offering activists nothing more than a useful recruitment tool for liberal causes.

Another four years of Bush? It's not going to do NOW, NARAL, the Sierra Club, etc., any good if there isn't an America to fight for.

You think a 2nd Bush term would destroy the GOP? I think it would make them permanently entrenched in power.

-MR

[mitchum]

13. Fuck that "we" nonsense, Babs

[Disturbed]

21. NO!!!!!

Four more years of these NeoFascists won't be a positive. Most people will grumble and whine but the American population that supports Bushco now won't rise up. They will make excuses as they are now doing for Bushco. Four more years of Bushco will devastate this country so bad that many will die from environmental degradation and lack of health care. More wars for the Multi-Nationals. The Supreme Court will belong to the Right Wing! Freedoms will be gone. Many reasons why we cannot allow the NeoFascist to take complete power!

No way!!!

[robbedvoter]

15. Could you not include me in your self flagellation?

I don't wave, I vote, I don't share any of the disgusting things you mention. It is true for most of DU-ers and a majority of the people in this country. keep your stupid curses to yourself and those you include. May all your wishes spare us.

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[Cleita]

18. Listen up. Four more years of Bush is the Bush dynasty forever.

If for some reason or the other the furniture and occupants don't get removed from the WH in November, we are in deep shit. It won't be just another four years.

Bush, by all logic, should be defeated in a landslide in November. If he isn't, then he and his puppeteers will never go until they are removed by armies.

[Generator]

19. This post reminds me of those who said we deserved 9/11

the mighty can be taken down in so many ways? And:it's what this ugly hypocritical nation deserves isn't it?

Or is this just a "psych op" to get us all fired up to really beat BushCO? Well, anyway I have enough from BushCO everyday to do that, thankyou.

No, even the sheeple deserve better. The ants, the fleas, the trees, the rednecks, the Arabs, the Christians and the anarchists, they all deserve better.

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[Generator]

27. I swear her next expose from a famous Dem will be that Kerry is

insert horrible slander here. Maybe we should throw our support behind someone else and shake up the Dems, hey? We certainly aren't PURE ENOUGH with someone as imperfect as Kerry. I know the Dems we have haven't done squat to challenge BushCO.

Still, it's all we got and I'm betting the farm.

[Hamlette]

29. don't be silly

this indefensible country of ours:
1. Supported Clinton DURING IMPEACHMENT, when the press was trashing him 24/7 by 70%.
2. Voted for Gore for President even though the press trashed him 24/7.
3. Understands the complexity and implications of saying "we killed over 10,000 people in Iraq for no reason". It isn't so easy. Many of us believe the Pottery Barn rule. Since there is no morally defensible argument in leaving Iraq right now, a very decent argument can be said for "we'll sort our what we did wrong later, right now we have one problem and that's fixing Iraq. Let's get it done and then hang the traitors."

[Guy Fawkes]

30. Maybe we do...

No, we didn't elect bush. But we didn't do anything about it. We whined for a while about chads and recounts, but then we kind of drooped it. And if we're going to give up and let ourselves be conquered like that again, we deserve it.

[Avalux]

32. My original response got deleted -

so let me say this - you're clever, but you're not fooling anyone. Have a wonderful evening Babs! :hi:

[Dark]

33. One problem with your theory.

The mighty can be taken down in so many ways.

The mighty are the ones who would benefit from Bu$h'$ reelection. They wouldn't be taken down, they'll be lifted up.

[PopSixSquish]

34. Do Not Include Me in Your Rhetoric...

I am an American who is neither ugly nor hyocritical. I vote, I protest, I give, I fight.

I fight in the memory of those who gave their lives to give others the right to vote, I fight in the memory of those who stormed the beaches in North Africa, Italy and Normandy.

I fight in the memory of those who took to the streets to stop a war, to demand a cure for AIDS, for the betterment of women's lives.

I fight in the name of my children who are not yet born that they will be Americans who are proud of their country.

And I am dang tired of coming to this site and seeing such self-defeating attitudes.

[RoyGBiv]

35. Well said n/t

[Q]

39. Free speech....a bitch for those who disagree...

- So what if you're 'sick and tired'? You're intimating that the thread author has no right to speak their mind. That's something we've come to expect from 'conservative' boards...but it has no place at free DU.

- But the problem isn't with YOUR fight...it's the LACK OF FIGHT from our Democratic representatives. They have almost fully capitulated to the Bush* regime and now they'll allow Bush* and Cheney 'testimony' regarding 9-11 without being under oath and no recordings or transcripts. In other words...Democrats on the committee are helping Bush* escape accountability and boost his chances to stay in the WH.

- Keeping the Bush* / Cheney 9-11 testimony secret helps them hide all the lies, deceptions and mismanagment regarding 9-11 AND Iraq.

[RetroLounge]

37. Don't fall for this crap

I suggest you read BabsSong's other posts and then decide for yourselves how/if to respond.

RL

[MallRat]

38. Only 50% of us are "lazy, incurious, and stupid."

That's the thing I can't reconcile. This country has been hijacked by the right wing: politically, economically, militarily, and culturally. Yet, 50% of this country despises them. 50 FRIGGIN' PERCENT. That's not exactly a tiny minority.

If Bush got (re)elected in a landslide, I'd agree with you. But with public opinion standing where it currently is, I'd have to say no.

WE DON'T DESERVE THIS.

-MR