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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:30 PM
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It's over Specter in a landslide.
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 09:31 PM by demdem
Not sure if I am happy or sad. I believe I am happy because the national review and Freerepublic posters were rooting for Toomey.

http://www.nbc10.com/politics/3242632/detail.html
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:31 PM
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1. It looks that way
It was 60% Spector 40% Toomey the last I saw.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:33 PM
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4. woah..
huge change!

It was 52/48 a few minutes ago.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:45 PM
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19. It was on the crawl
From WNEP in WIlkes-Barre/Scranton. The local news will be on in a little bit and I'll see what they say then.
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bluestateguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:32 PM
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2. Um, excuse me
There are still 41% of the precincts to be counted. A race is not "over" just because somebody said so.

We should have learned that lesson by now.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:41 PM
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8. A "it's over"
You remind me of that picture I saw a few years ago when the frog was in the ducks throat only with his legs resting outside of the ducks mouth and the caption read never give up. Sorry it's over, but I admire your optimism.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:50 PM
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40. Ribbitt, Ribbitt, less than 5K apart
I'm sorry but, think you should apologize to bluestateguy, man
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:53 PM
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41. No I shouldnt
There was an 95.000 error in Bucks county. Pay attention.
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leyton Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:42 PM
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13. I think it's pretty much done.
I watched primary results come in for Iowa, New Hampshire, and several other states. Except in the really really close ties - within a handful of votes - the percentages pretty much were the same throughout the night. There's no reason to believe that Toomey will take enough of the remaining precincts to overcome Specter's lead.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:33 PM
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3. Thank GOD!!!
At least there's not a CHANCE that we'd have another looney in congress!

Whew!

:kick:
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:39 PM
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6. Spector is not a looney? What is he, then?
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:41 PM
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7. He's a moderate Republican
in the mold of Nelson Rockefeller.

Believe me, we'd all be a helluva lot better off if there were more Republicans like him.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:41 PM
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12. yes
while he can be a jerk at times, at least he's sane most of the time.
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:44 PM
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16. He's also pro-choice
Toomey is a scary fundie - can't imagine why anyone here would want him to win, unless it has to do with best choice against.
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:45 PM
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20. that's why
Toomey would get blown out of the water. Don't worry about Santorum, we have a much stronger candidate than the one he faced.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:04 PM
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43. who(m) would that be?
I gave money to my brother's old boss who ran against Santorum last time around and there was no, like no support for him. It was aggravating! (plus he has some pretty conservative views as well)
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drumwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:41 PM
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9. he's not as loony as toomey is.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:44 PM
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17. Spector is very definitely the much lesser of
two GOP evils in that race.
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djg21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:01 PM
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42. The number's I've seen indicate a tight race!
50/50 with over 89% of the precincts reporting.

Why is anyone here hoping that Spector wins. He is the lesser of two evils, but Hoeffel can beat Toomey. I don't think he can beat Spector, who will run as an incumbant.

We should be hopeful that the wingnuts on the far right are trying to "send a message" to Shrub by voting out Spector, who Shrub has endorsed. Then we win big in the general election, and thake 21 electoral votes too!
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drumwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:38 PM
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5. good! keeping my fingers crossed!
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 09:40 PM by drumwolf
Many people think that a Toomey win in the primary would have actually helped the Dems, but I don't think that's necessarily a safe assumption to make. If Pennsylvania could elect someone like Santorum, what makes anyone think they wouldn't elect Toomey?
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:43 PM
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15. Santorum is a fluke
he originally won in 1994, enough said, and in 2000 he had a very weak opponent. Extremely uncharismatic, horrible at fundraising, and was pro-life and pro-gun which jived very poorly with suburban voters. And yet he still came pretty close.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:50 PM
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25. Klink wasn't the best opponent for Santorum
he was pro-life, pro-gun, and a very conservative Dem...it was like we found the closet thing to Santorum and ran him...and the voters didn't see a difference.

PAers are very libertarian about personal rights..abortion, guns etc... and so a pro-choice, pro-gun candidate is a winner...

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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:49 PM
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23.  I believe you are looking at it wrong. Look at Santorum's wins. 94 a
great year for Republicans and weak and old opponent(Wofer) . Dems had weak candidates both times-(Klink Why do dems choose weird named people in that state)- last time he ran in 2000, he faced a very divided Democratic Party. We would have been better off if Specter lost. Look for him to turn right to convince the Toomey voters that he is at least worth keeping- it will also mean that Bush will be paying more attention to this state (esp if Toomey gets in the low to mid 40s)..
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nankerphelge Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:07 PM
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37. Exactly
The existence of Santorum gives me very little faith that things would turn out well if Toomey was the nominee.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:41 PM
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10. It doesn't bother me either way
I was willing to take the risk with Toomey winning, though. Could always move away from PA.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:41 PM
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11. It's tightened up again. 52% Spector/48% Toomey with 64% in.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:42 PM
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14. Strange
:shrug:
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:45 PM
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18. yes...
very strange.... the 59/41 number must've been an error.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:46 PM
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21. Diebold at work?
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:48 PM
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22. I noticed that. With 64% in, one says that it's a 10 point margin...
for Spector while the other says it's a tossup!
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:49 PM
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24. no...
the likely explanation is just a clerical error when trying to do real-time reporting of returns.
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:50 PM
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26. Bucks County reported 95,000 false votes for Specter.
That would explain it.
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jackstraw45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:53 PM
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29. Oh, nice....
Just wait until November.

An extra million here for chimpy, an extra million there....
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CTLawGuy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:52 PM
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27. this site says
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:55 PM
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30. CBS - 71% - Specter 52% (297,186 votes) to Toomey 48%
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 09:55 PM by papau
Precincts Reporting: 6656 Of 9416 71%

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Winner Candidate Party Incumbent Votes Vote %
Arlen Specter Republican 297,186 52%
Pat Toomey Republican 279,220 48%
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:57 PM
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34. ABC - 73% still 52%
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 09:58 PM by papau
73%

Winner Candidate Incumbent Votes Vote %
Arlen SPECTER X 315,745 52%
Pat TOOMEY 296,175 48%

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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:52 PM
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28. There's a significant difference in returns listed on different sites
WTF is going on?
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:57 PM
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33. just one
brief anomaly, quickly fixed. Still 52/48 with 73% reporting.

I think it was just a clerical error that was quickly fixed.
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59millionmorons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:55 PM
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31. Both sites now read the same.
getting tight. They must of gotten bad info on nbc10.
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:55 PM
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32. They are reporting tight race on CNN (for whatever that is worth) eom
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xcentrik Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 09:59 PM
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35. And all of Pennsylvania's dogs
heave a huge sigh of relief.
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orwell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:06 PM
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36. Moderate R's
I'll take this as good news. Who wants to see a big turn out of RW'ers in any election.

This means that moderates are motivated. This can only be good for Kerry. There are some moderate R's that will pull the lever for President Kerry in November.

O
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Prodemsouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:30 PM
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38. Even more would if ,Spector loses tonight. If you want moderate "Rs"
to be motivated, think how motivated they would be in the general election if Specter were to lose.
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fishnfla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:37 PM
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39. I'm easily confused, but the link says "too close to call' 51/49
now what exactly is a landslide?
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:15 PM
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44. 10,000 votes up for Specter 50/50
with the center of the state not totally counted. Yikes. What is the problem with this state?
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:25 PM
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45. Not looking good at all. 96% reporting Spector 51-49 n/t
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 11:25 PM by napi21
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