Village Voice: Dump Kerry

[ulTRAX]

I hope this isn't a dup thread.... from: http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0417/mondo1.php


Mondo Washington
by James Ridgeway
John Kerry Must Go
Note to Democrats: it's not too late to draft someone—anyone—else
April 27th, 2004 11:45 AM

WASHINGTON, D.C.— With the air gushing out of John Kerry's balloon, it may be only a matter of time until political insiders in Washington face the dread reality that the junior senator from Massachusetts doesn't have what it takes to win and has got to go. As arrogant and out of it as the Democratic political establishment is, even these pols know the party's got to have someone to run against George Bush. They can't exactly expect the president to self-destruct into thin air.

With growing issues over his wealth (which makes fellow plutocrat Bush seem a charity case by comparison), the miasma over his medals and ribbons (or ribbons and medals), his uninspiring record in the Senate (yes war, no war), and wishy-washy efforts to mimic Bill Clinton's triangulation gimmickry (the protractor factor), Kerry sinks day by day. The pros all know that the candidate who starts each morning by having to explain himself is a goner.

What to do? Look for the Dem biggies, whoever they are these days, to sit down with the rich and arrogant presumptive nominee and try to persuade him to take a hike. Then they can return to business as usual—resurrecting John Edwards, who is still hanging around, or staging an open convention in Boston, or both.

If things proceed as they are, the dim-bulb Dem leaders are going to be very sorry they screwed Howard Dean.

[PittPoliSci]

1. psh.

*yawn*

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[LeftCoast]

46. Welcome to DU jewishlib!

:hi:

[bloom]

3. What the writer doesn't seem to get

Is ANY candidate is going to get the same sort of shit thrown at them.

It might smell a little different - but it would be the same, nonetheless.

[ulTRAX]

8. True But......

Any Dem who runs is going to be put through the wringer... but Kerry is deficient in so many areas... including personality. Damn, I just wish he'd run a campaign I could be enthusiastic about. He's a classic case of the lesser of the evils.

[neoteric lefty]

53. if thats true then Kerry is the MUCH lesser of two evils

To continue with your analogy, it is the difference between Satan and a guy who deducted too much on his taxes. Kerry may not be perfect, but no canidate is perfect for anyone. We now have a clear choice and seeing what lies ahead if Bush gets the win, we have to fight our asses off to make sure that doesn't happen

[bloom]

72. It's like what Nader says

something like if you vote for Kerry you are voting for the least worst candidate.

That seems a lot better than voting for the most worst!! (or not voting for the "least worst" and letting the most worst candidate win).

[neoteric lefty]

83. the problem with Nader's words

is that you would have to believe Kerry would do a relatively bad job at president to be the "lest worst" candidate. If you believe that, then I can't help you. He might not be the next JFK to the world but I believe he's gonna help turn the country around. I don't believe he's perfect and I disagree with quite a number of views, both past and present, but I still have respect for him and would vote for him even if he was against a "good" republican, not the shmuck whos currently in there.

[Walt Starr]

65. Yep, definitely a "lesser of two evils" situation

Unfortunately in such situations, the fence sitters (who decide these things) generally are drawn more to the evil they know.

If I had a tinfoil hat, I'd almost think Kerry was trying to throw this thing.

[greatauntoftriplets]

4. I hadn't seen it before.

n/t

[Tellurian]

5. I read it...dump the author n/t

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

6. It's a DUPE and fuck the Village Voice and their Kerry hate campaign

They've done nothing but trash him since...I don't know when. Ridgeway would have us dump the nominee most Democrats voted for over Dean who took ONE STATE...then of course there was that wonderful Thomas Ng article a while back..the Al Sharpton is funded by the RNC hitpiece....wow....hell they even carry RNC banner ads these days.....

[Seldona]

16. Amen

What is with all the negativity tonight?

I know I had one heck of a bad day with all that is going on in Iraq, in my name so to speak.

But come on folks!

November is a long way off, and some of us are acting like it is October.

I know when it all gets to much for me, I generally try to take a week or two and cut myself off from all media and political conversation.

Sort of a house cleaning from all the anger, sadness, etc.

Then I can come back reinvigorated and ready to do what has to be done.

Just my 2 cents worth.

[BiggJawn]

7. Cash your cheque from Rove quickly, Ridgeway...

Lest he stop payment on it.

[FlashHarry]

9. This is fucking stupid.

[mot78]

10. OMG THE SKY IS FALLING!!!!

Get a fucking grip! It's only April, and * is just up for a while. Things will even out.

[mouse7]

14. Anyone got a link to the Pitt post responding to this stuff?

He covered all this stuff as well as anyone is his respnse to these "sky is falling" rants. Can someone find the link?

[DemLikr]

55. hmmm...your apathy and mockery doesn't bode well... 2000 redux n/t

[Walt Starr]

68. It's nearly May and the Rove machine has already defined Kerry

IMO, it's too late already. The definition has been made and the fence sitters will go with the evil they know over an unknown evil who has been defined by his opponents.

[w4rma]

11. I posted this editorial over in General Discussion: Campaign 2004

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=511372

[Wickerman]

12. Note to Ridgeway

That sound? Its reality calling. Go back to being a frycook, this pundit thing ain't working out, and you sure ain't no brain surgeon. Thanks.

[soleft]

28. That was much more civily put than what I had in mind

Something along the lines of, well, two words, rhymes with my favorite take out chicken place.

[HawkerHurricane]

13. Gawds above...

IF the Democratic Party pulls something where the man who got the most votes is NOT the standard bearer, I WILL DEFECT! If Dean got the most votes, I'd support him... But he didn't. Kerry did. WE ALREADY HAVE ONE PRESIDENT IN OFFICE WHO WAS PUT THERE BY PEOPLE WHO THOUGHT THEY KNEW BETTER THAN THE VOTERS DID! I WILL NOT support another.

End of message and out.

[Frances]

15. Is the author a repub in wolf's clothing?

John Kerry won the primaries fairly, with no dirty tricks, unlike Bush in 2000.

[dkf]

49. No dirty tricks? Were you following the primary?

n/t

[Walt Starr]

70. Take your head out of the sand

The 2004 Democratic primaries were perhaps the dirtiest on record.

[redqueen]

78. Yes

regardless of what happened in the primaries, it does not change the fact that this particular whore did the same Rove-ordered slime job on Gore in 2000.

Are Democrats going to listen to these clowns and shoot ourselves in the foot again?

I sure hope not.

[zeemike]

17. Seems to me

That the demos played right into the repug strategies, The repugs told us we needed a military man so they took Kerry and the repugs were ready for it.
Wesley Clark was the shill in this game. And they together shut out people with real agendas and plans to change the way things are done, like Dean, Edwards, Kuchinich.
When will we have a party that belongs to the people and not the special interest?

[0rganism]

30. Seems to me you underestimate both Clark and Kerry

Clark had a proposal for RADICAL tax reform -- not just the same old pissant stuff, but a real redistribution of the burden onto the top earners. I thought Kucinich got into his head when I read it.

As for Kerry... he's already shown he can come from behind as well as anyone. Pundits had written him off in December. I think he LIKES starting out as a dark horse. So far his strategy, while a bit underhanded, has been effective -- get bush to spend lots of money on futile attacks, while avoiding firebrand rhetoric. You don't like it right now, maybe cos it doesn't motivate you, but just wait for it. Kerry figured out how to win the primary, and he certainly wasn't the only military man on the ballot.

[zeemike]

40. I hope you are right

About Kerry wising up and going on the offensive.
But I am worried that he is a palooka that is just there to louse gracefully to bush and not kick up a fuss if the bush folks steal the election,

[0rganism]

86. The bush campaign just spent $$50 million$$ on attack ads in April

John Kerry has spent bupkis, and it's still a draw.

He's keeping his powder dry, waiting for the time it'll do the most good. Kerry wasn't my first choice for a candidate, but I had to admit he knows how to win a race. I'm somewhat concerned that Kerry's presidency will be compromised by corporate interests if he wins, but I wouldn't question his intention to win or his tactics for doing so. I get the feeling that deep down under his poker face, he really likes setting up the ambush.

Strategy.

[zeemike]

91. I’ll be tickled to death if it works

And grateful as hell if Kerry turns out to be a reformer, but I am so skeptical of the powerful image-makers that I don’t trust them at all.

[mot78]

87. Don't implicate Clark in this BS

What does he have to do with Kerry's problems?

[zeemike]

89. Nothing

But he was a shill for the Repug created notion that only a military man could beat the bush.

[mot78]

88. BTW * is still vtirually tied in the polls even after the attacks

Most polls taken recently (except for the whore Gallup Poll) show Kerry either 1-2% ahead or 1-2% behind. That's still damn good if you ask me.

[Pastiche423]

18. The author

is just telling it like it is.

What parts are untrue?

[trumad]

19. Do you know anything about this guy?

He's a typical lazy ass media ho who uses right wing talking points fed by Rove to the lazy media.

Read my thread about this Ho!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1482632

[ulTRAX]

24. or he's a Progressive unimpressed with Kerry

trumad wrote: "He's a typical lazy ass media ho who uses right wing talking points fed by Rove to the lazy media."

Why can't someone just be unimpressed with Kerry and not see him as the best candidate? Why can't someone be a Progressive and not stand Kerry's rush to the center? Hell... I'm from Massachusetts and I can't remember the last time I voted for him. It was before his vote for NAFTA.

[FlemingsGhost]

47. Good question

"Why can't someone just be unimpressed with Kerry and not see him as the best candidate? Why can't someone be a Progressive and not stand Kerry's rush to the center?"

Good question, ulTRAX. Very good question.

[FlemingsGhost]

48. duplicate post

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[trumad]

62. OK

You do know that he still claims that Al Gore said he invented the Internet... You do know that he calls Al Gore a bald face liar about the bogus campaign finance shit in the Clinton Admin... The guy simply types what the right wing feeds to the media...He is typical of what we see today in the corrupted world of Media Pundintry!

Now what was untrue about this piece....Quote "uninspiring record in the Senate"... What? A blanket assesment of Kerry's 20 plus years of service.... Uninspiring...prove it, just don't fucking type it!

"arrogant"? Only to Nader ass kissers like you Ridgeway!

Kerry sinks day by day...Oh really... 50 million spent by Bush and Bush is only up by a couple of points... Perhaps idiots like you Ridgeway are the reason that Kerry has a tougher road... It's you Ridgeway and your Media fucking Ho's that do a great service to this country when you let your own ideology get in the way of your job...Report the facts asshole!

[Cocoa]

92. he could be, but he's NOT

did you read that crappy piece? Can you believe it appears in print?

[Pastiche423]

29. Messenger, not message, eh?

Again I ask, what is untrue in the article?

[TreasonousBastard]

94. Everything is factual...

but it slants the facts to trash the nominee.

It is written to snare the foolish and the ignorant.

Don't fall into the trap.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

20. What is factual?

That Kerry is rich? So was John Kennedy..so was FDR...

[scarface2004]

21. ridgeway...

is sucking bush s cock right now!!!

[Commendatori]

71. I don't doubt that (n/t)

[KoKo]

22. This article is plagerism of his article on Gore. This was posted before

and ZuluGulch found the article. It's creepy to see them side by side.

I don't know where the dupe is but it's worth a look to see how dumb this article is!

[KoKo]

23. Here ya Go! This article says "Dump Gore!" Plagerism of own story.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=511372&mesg_id=511689&page=

[ulTRAX]

26. thanks for that...

I have no idea what Ridgeway's agenda is... if there's any. But as a Progressive... I had no real respect for Gore... nor for Kerry.

So is THAT Ridgeway's "agenda"?

[robbedvoter]

99. Supress voting. It's what keeps the cash coming to Voice

"progressive" - like Woodward. or Nader.
Their mission: attack W's opposition from the left.

[DemLikr]

25. After seeing Kerry on Hardball, I completely agree with this article.

Sorry, but JK is BORING, and uninspiring, and I'm someone who WANTS him to win. For god's sake, how do we think he comes across to undecideds?

He lacks energy, conviction and the willingness to call a spade a spade and play rough with the Pukes. If JK's approach doesn't improve and quickly, I don't hold out much hope for a victory in November.

The Repub organization is walking all over Kerry's people too. Totally outclassed in working the media...Jesus, this is depressing.

[GregW]

27. GregW: Dump Village Voice

Get a fucking grip, people. Dance with the one you brought or leave (and vote Bush). If there's one reason we could lose, it's weak, spineless people (not to mention trolls and moles) who run screaming from the room everytime someone says John Kerry looks French.

Who gives a flying fuck what the VV says ... get out the vote, and vote Democrat for John Kerry.

[Pastiche423]

34. Spineless

is an adjective I would use to describe Kerry, not the people that want the Democratic nominee to fucking stand for SOMETHING.

He's boring, echos whistle ass and gd Sharon on vital issues, is uninspiring, and has done nothing for the progessive Democrats in the past almost four years.

I hear the rumblings of a revolt. I can't wait to hear it roar.

[Blasphemer]

31. Ridiculous premise...

Dump the person who has won the votes of the party? Yeah right. The truth is that whoever the nominee was, they would be torn apart. They don't care about service to the country - 4 star General Clark would have been going through the same thing and also would have been accused of being uninspiring. I can't even begin to imagine what they had in store for Howard Dean. Edwards has weaknesses at a time when "Terra, Terra, Terra" is the mantra. There were no Bill Clinton's in 2004. That's the way it is. We just have to deal with it. Fortunately, the GWB ship is a sinking one.

[rumguy]

32. sounds like something you'd read on that "other" progressive site

[TreasonousBastard]

96. Bingo!

Kerry's liberal record after all those years on the hill means nothing.

Only Dean is the real Progressive.

Dean, who walks on water. Dean, the hero of the working class. Dean, the savior.

Dean, who couldn't get squat for votes from his own party.

[leftistagitator]

33. Sad

I wonder if this is the RNC or the FBI writing this propaganda garbage.

[Columbia]

35. Go Edwards!

[robbedvoter]

98. I heard that's what's going on on Edwards' blog - thanks for confirming

It seemed a bit too nutty to be true, but I'll never underestimate you guys from now on!

[pezcore64]

36. well

while im going to vote for kerry, i must say i agree with them.

i might not care much for kerry, but i really dont like shrub. haha.

all i know is, if kerry doesnt win, it was rigged to be that way, and ill seriously wonder if it wasnt our own party. lol. i think a monkey who could tie his own shoe could take down this administration. their records horrid.

[OneBlueSky]

37. what Kerry needs to do is . . .

adopt Dennis Kucinich's platform . . . instead of playing to the middle, he needs to get mad and call BushCo for what they are -- corporate, theocratic, reactionary, and anti-American -- and spell out a progressive alternative vision for America . . . American's are starting to see Bush for the fuckup he is, but no one is articulating an alternative that makes sense . . . this is the year that liberal and progressive policies DO make sense, and Kerry should build his campaign around notions like getting out of Iraq, a return to progressive taxation, questioning why corporations are now more important than individual citizens, a single-payer healthcare program, etc. . . . people will listen, because these ideas make a whole lot more sense than what's happening under Bush . . .

[Pastiche423]

38. Won't happen

Kerry doesn't have it in him. He is totally clueless.

[kiahzero]

63. Who's clueless

The man who doesn't adopt the platform of someone who, to date, has 23 delegates?

Or the man who suggests that he do so?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

39. Laughable, but sad.

[mb7588a]

41. ...Bullshit, Mr. Ridgeway.

Crawl in your hole and leave us alone now, thanks.

[notbush]

42. This is why Dennis is still in the race

Is there hope for a brokered convention???

[Pastiche423]

43. I would like to know

why there isn't hope for a brokered convention.

[w4rma]

44. Because America is still a democratic-republic. (nt)

[Pastiche423]

45. What does that have to do

w/a brokered convention?

[DeaconBlues]

56. Yep, they're gonna give the nomination to Kucinich

and appoint him Emperor of Mexico while they're at it :eyes:

[JPJones]

50. Sounds like the rantings of a bitter Deaniac

Luckily, we are never exposed to them here.

[dkf]

51. A bunch of non-Kerry supporters are organizing as ABBers

because we can't bring ourselves to vote for Kerry, instead we are saying "vote against Bush!".

Unfortunately, I don't think there are enough of us to win.

Doesn't matter anyway. I think we're going to lose. Heck I can barely vote for Kerry and I am a lifelong Dem!

[Walt Starr]

75. It sounds to me like you're wearing my shoes!

I fear for the future because from where I sit, Kerry looks like he's trying to throw the election!

[hexola]

52. This "article" looks more like DU post...

And less like an actual piece of journalism...

[DeaconBlues]

54. Yeah, lets forget that Democrats in all but 3 states selected Kerry

Who needs the democratic process? Kerry's rich! He's actually trying to win the election by capturing the middle! The horror!

This Ridgeway guy sound like a freaking nut.

[Q]

57. Kerry was pushed on us by the NeoDems...

...party bosses and DLCers. Most Democrats don't seem to realize it...but the more 'liberal' candidates were pushed out far in advance and were never seriously considered by those in control of the party. The NeoDems HELPED the corporate media paint them as 'too liberal', 'dangerous' and 'out of touch'.

- Liberals and progressives might as well accept the fact that they've been pushed out of the party along with their candidates. We'll vote for ANY Dem nominee in November in order to get Bush* out of our White House...but after that all bets are off.

[LittleApple81]

58. NOW I SEE WHY THIS STUPID BLURB IS COMING UP: DRUDGE REPORT!

Why are we falling for this? Kerry is going to be our candidate. Let's help him and not go against him. What is wrong with us?

[Loonman]

59. Howard Dean screwed himself

Let's get that straight.

[demnan]

60. I hate when we eat our own.

If Kerry's style is not combative enough he'll probably get a combative type as VP to balance the ticket out so he can stay Presidential and above it all. That's not a bad strategy, IMHO.

I agree that the Democratic Party types did screw Dean. I liked Dean. He was my choice but the party went for Kerry who was my second choice. We aren't going rectify that situation by screwing Kerry as well, even if some of my local county Kerryites really were arrogant smartasses.

I'm going to stay Presidential and above it all. What happened Sunday on the Mall convinced me that WE CAN WIN!

[LittleApple81]

61. Agree totally. n/t

[hexola]

64. Democratic Underground : Dump Ridgeway

[jeanmarc]

66. If I were a subscriber, I'd likely dump the Village Voice

That's about the most defeatist article I've read and it rivals some of the defeatist doom and gloomers in here.

[hexola]

67. Hah - I let mine expire...

now I'm glad I never renewed!!!

[Mattforclark]

69. Subtle bias:

With the air gushing out of John Kerry's balloon, it may be only a matter of time until political insiders in Washington face the dread reality that the junior senator from Massachusetts doesn't have what it takes to win and has got to go.

What an interesting choice of adjective. The junior Senator.

Yeah, junior to Ted Kennedy.

:eyes:

Gimme a break.

[Commendatori]

73. I thought the same thing

They're portraying him as some green rookie who doesn't have the experience, as opposed to the Chimp and his Air National Guard Budweiser medals.

Why anyone subscribes to this rag is beyond me.

[hexola]

74. He is the Junior senator...Kennedy has been in office longer...

hence...Kennedy is the Senior Senator...thats how it works, pal.

[bushisanidiot]

76. "air gushing out of his balloon"?? Uhhhh.. not QUITE. War Hero Kerry

will beat AWOL Bush in a landslide!!!

[redqueen]

77. Ridgeway is a bush-fellatin, rove-spew sucking whore!

Nice to see the RNC is still up to its old tricks. Wonder how much ole Jimmy boy got to deliver this stomach-churning redux of his previous sliming of Gore.


Listen, liberals, I'm a die-hard Kucitizen, but it's time to face the f$#&ing music. Kerry is our man. Please stop listening to these bought and paid for whores and show a spine!

Do you WANT to lose? Because all this simpering around about how we'll have such a hard fight is NOT helping JACK.

Constructive criticism of Kerry is fine, but this handwringing crap every time some media whore drops some rove spin has to STOP.

:eyes:

[Zolok]

79. Boy the least little puff of wind from off the water

and the V.V. hauls ass for the lifeboats screaming and begging for mercy....

They are as usual the mouthpiece of those unhappy few democrats and progressives who talk tough for three years and three months and then -when the going gets slightly tough, panic, throw down their arms, and run for the hills.

Happens every four years....I hear Jonathan Harris' imperishable voice intoning "We're doomed-DOOMED!"
When John Kerry hauled Rasmussen's keister out of the river nobody was sniveling "Geez maybe we should head back to base and find ourselves a lieutenant who can REALLY pull that guy out of the drink?!!"

We are in a fight, this is the army these are the weapons and this is the terrain...crying and hoping for a new general isn't gonna alter the outcome.
Either we resolve to fight this thing out here and now or we should just petition La Famiglia Arbusto to cancel the election and institute a monarchy.
Now who wants to follow the Village Voice and who wants to FIGHT?!

www.chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com








www.chimesatmidnight.blogspot.com

[Steely_Dan]

85. People Are Just Scared

I hear ya...But people are just scared shitless. This is so important that they can't see another four years of Bush. They want to feel comfortable that our candidate is absolutely the best choice we can make. The stakes are too high. All that being said...you are right.

-Paige

[linazelle]

80. Local freeper radio station had a good time reading this article

on the air this morning. They LOVE it--althemore reason for us to embrace Kerry.

[NashVegas]

81. Bad Premise

The pros all know that the candidate who starts each morning by having to explain himself is a goner.

There is no one the Dems can put forward who Rove & the rest of the GOP cannot put into a position of having to explain themselves, including, as much as I'd love to see him as President, Howard Dean.

All that matters is that Kerry be in offense mode when it counts.

[LeahMira]

82. For better or worse...

What to do? Look for the Dem biggies, whoever they are these days, to sit down with the rich and arrogant presumptive nominee and try to persuade him to take a hike.

For better or worse, the Democratic voters chose John Kerry for the nominee in the primaries.

If, as this editorial suggests, the "biggies" manage to persuade Senator Kerry not to run in deference to another candidate, the Democrats would be no better than the Republicans who managed to persuade the Supreme Court Justices to see things their way in 2000.

It would really be nice to be able to believe that the Democrats are a tad better than the Republicans.

If the "biggies" are interested in a Democratic victory in 2004, the better plan would be to get out there with all the enthusiasm in themselves and drum up support for Candidate Kerry. Senator Hillary Clinton did just that this past Sunday at the March for Women's Lives in Washington, DC. In front of about one million men and women, she urged people to register to vote, to make sure all their friends, relatives and neighbors are registered, and to get out to vote for John Kerry, a pro-choice candidate, in November.

Senator Clinton set the pace... hopefully the Democratic "biggies" can keep up!

[trumad]

84. I posted this up above this AM... I'm going to say it again.

You do know that he still claims that Al Gore said he invented the Internet... You do know that he calls Al Gore a bald face liar about the bogus campaign finance shit in the Clinton Admin... The guy simply types what the right wing feeds to the media...He is typical of what we see today in the corrupted world of Media Pundintry!

Now what was untrue about this piece....Quote "uninspiring record in the Senate"... What? A blanket assesment of Kerry's 20 plus years of service.... Uninspiring...prove it, just don't fucking type it!

"arrogant"? Only to Nader ass kissers like you Ridgeway!

Kerry sinks day by day...Oh really... 50 million spent by Bush and Bush is only up by a couple of points... Perhaps idiots like you Ridgeway are the reason that Kerry has a tougher road... It's you Ridgeway and your Media fucking Ho's that do a great service to this country when you let your own ideology get in the way of your job...Report the facts asshole!

[Pastiche423]

93. "...the Democratic voters chose John Kerry

for the nominee in the primaries."

WRONG!

Two states does not equal "the Democratic voters". He was forced on the apolitical voters for his "electability".

Where is all of that electability now?

Where are the throngs of supporters now?

Why isn't he flying in the polls now?

Brokered convention!

[VolcanoJen]

90. Village Voice: Dump James Ridgeway.

That's what I'm sayin'...

[scottxyz]

95. It would be SO fabulous if the candidate were chosen at the Convention

I am so tired of having this whole mess decided by what happens on a cold winter's day in New Hampshire.

If the grueling horse-race the candidates have to submit to before the election has any meaning, then it ought to have some influence on which of the Dem candidates comes out as nominee.

It's bad enough that we have this pseudo-democracy where out of a field of dozens of candidates all we're allowed to do on Election Day is cast a SINGLE yea for a SINGLE candidate. It's mathematically proven that this is NOT democratic, and that several better voting algorithms exist (see http://www.accuratedemocracy.com).

We have a whole lot of good Democratic candidates who technically ARE STILL IN THE RUNNING now. Enough of this superdelegate and electoral college nonsense - the SPIRIT of the Constitution is that "WE THE PEOPLE SHALL DECIDE" and that is definitely NOT happening with this current system.

Put ALL the candidates back in the race.

KEEP them all in the race until the CONVENTIONS. If they're not all REALLY in the running from now till September, then we're probably violating the letter as well of the spirit of most of our electoral laws.

Enough of "presumptive" nominees and "coronations" and "crownings". By the time everyone got wise to the smearing of Dean by the media, it was too late - he had already fallen so far behind in the IA/NH thing that nobody every got a chance to hear other things - like how he was playing in media-savvy areas like NY, CA and FL.

Let them ALL be back in the race now, and let the race go on till the Conventions. And let the best man or woman win.

Hell, the whole "Let's vote for Kerry because he's a veteran" was just one moment in the fickle mood of this country. We've moved on since then, we know about his coverups heading up that Viet Nam commission (probably the most daming thing about Kerry's post-war record - also covered by the Village Voice) and we know that his also a Skull & Bones Yalie every bit as patrician as Bush.

It was the year of the Un-Bush - and yet again we've allowed ourselves to fall for an almost-Bush. Yes Kerry's very different - but in a year where it's so EASY to have everyone vote "Anybody But Bush" we could have done better.

We WOULD have done better if we didn't have this crazyquilt of a so-called election process.

We've gone from a de jure multi-party system to a de facto two-party system and now we're in danger of slipping into to monotheism and monarchy.

[robbedvoter]

97. Didn't take them long to go to la-la land! Voice is against voting

like WBAI and other faux left. They usually propose the "no difference" BS.
I was surprised when , for a short time they said they'd endorse anyone, ABB.
I guess the chack doesn't come to ABB Voice. They are supposed to create the illusion of discourse, not to tell us to actually participate in the electoral process.