Rachel Corrie and Pat Tillmans response to 9/11

[corporatewhore]

Rachel Corrie signed up with the International Solidarity Movement to spread peace and to practice nonviolent resistence against social injustice because of 9/11.She never killed anybody she died infront of a house that was going to be bulldozed .She was mocked. She was called a terrorist she was mocked she got little to no coverage. Pat tillman signed up to "defend" america by joining the military after 9/11.I dont know if he killed any one innocent or not but was most certainly not practing non violent solutions yet is called a hero and is praised in the major news networks cause he was a professional athelete (do you think he was the only one who died from his unit?) ughhh

[wtmusic]

1. Which takes more courage

to stand in front of a bulldozer with nothing but determination, or take a hill in Tora Bora with a flak jacket and close air support?

Just wonderin'.

[RummyTheDummy]

20. Yes, Tillman deserved to die

What a soul-less war monger he was.

When is the last time you stood at the base of Tora Bora with a flak jacket and close air support.

Just wonderin.....

[Christ was Socialist]

31. When was the last time I dropped bombs on children?<nt>

[JI7]

36. when you pay taxes to fund the bombs and wars ?

[iorg]

74. leaving out the subjective titles

A point with Corrie, American taxpayers give Israel aid, arms, and often engages in military campaigns favorable to their defense. When engaging with a vocally unruly American citizen, the soldier involved should be first expected to attempt to detain that person. If that person was indeed breaking any laws (perhaps, loitering?), then give proper due process in court or immediately release. If found guilty of anything other than expressing an opinion (under the assumption that freedom of speech is a right there), go ahead and look into that person's access to a visa. Doesn't seem too difficult a concept for an established democracy. Similar accidents haven't been reported there, so maybe note was taken

[wtmusic]

46. OK hero

it was probably about the last time you were over there too.

I was talking about courage. You're on your own with 'soul-less war monger'. :eyes:

[FreeSpeechCrusader]

67. What???

The post that you are replying too simply asked who had greater courage...it did nothing to imply any of your post. good grief

[IronLionZion]

79. Hey, they both take courage!

I know a Ranger over in Afghanistan and he has nightmares about the shit that happens over there. It's a wild and crazy place.

I respect what Rachel Corrie did, but also what the Rangers do.

The cowards are the ones sitting in the white house.

[arcane1]

2. Rove will probably make him the next "Old Shoe"

especially since that Jessica Lynch thing didn't work for him

bastards

I am sad for them both

[Mistress Quickly]

3. It takes all sorts of people

to make the world run.

I agree with the War in Afghanistan, and wish we could do more there. I believe our military goes above and beyond the call when trying to assist innocents, much more than most around the world when it comes to war.

I personally applaud them both for believing in something so much they went out and made a difference.

And I think this is flame bait in awful taste.

[HawkerHurricane]

4. I agree.

Tilman gave up MILLIONS to serve in the real 'war on terror' in Afghanistan, and paid with his life. That his sacrifice gets more press than anothers is not his fault, and hs sacrifice should not be belittled because it does.

[Algorem]

9. we got the poppy biz cookin and that pipeline.military assists innocents?

AHAHAHAHAHA!!!

[jobycom]

14. I agree on Tillman, but not on Afghanistan

As with Iraq, Bush wanted that war from before 9-11. There were news reports in Asia as early as March that Bush was going to invade Afghanistan by October. Unocal had wanted Clinton to do it so they could build a pipeline, but Clinton refused. So they backed Bush.

Hamid Karzai, I hope you realize, was on Unocal's board before Bush invaded Afghanistan. Bush wanted nothing there but control of Kabul and an excuse to line soldiers up along the pipeline route. I wonder if that's what Tillman died defending. As soon as he defeated the Taliban (well, drove them into the hills, anyway), he pulled back the search for Usama bin Laden, who is still free to strike us again.

Before Bush even began bombing Afghanistan, the Taliban offered Usama bin Laden on a silver platter. Bush refused the offer, preferring to let UBL go and invade. He invaded. His first act once he had control of Kabal was to appoint a Unocal employee as head of the country. His second act was to negotiate the pipeline with Pakistan.

Bush has never had one bit of interest in UBL, not before nor after 9-11. Call it professional courtesy, call it an act of kindness to his first business partner's younger brother. Whatever. People act like Afghanistan had a purpose and Iraq didn't. Neither had a purpose, or rather, both did, but a different one than Bush claims. Both were planned from the earliest days of Bush's campaign, and both were meant to enrich his contributors. And that's all.

Tillman is a hero. That invasion was as filthy as the one in Iraq.

[hippiegranny]

76. Tillman in Afghanistan

Whether or not Afghanistan was as phony an invasion as Iraq, I think Tillman believed he was there to help root out Al Quaida after 9/11.

I agree with others who point out that all of the totally uneccessary deaths caused by the Bush presidency are tragic, and the fact that some of the dead end up as poster children for the invasions isn't their fault and it doesn't make them any less dead.

[leesa]

29. Why do you agree with the war in Afganistan??

Same con job as the war in Iraq and the entire scam of the war on terrorism. They are simply stealing resources and overthrowing governments antagonistic to US corporations.
The Afghanistan war was planned in July of 2001 because the Taliban refused our offer for an oil/gas pipeline that 'Kenny Boy' Lay had to have in order to salvage his disastrous energy venture in India. We promised them a "carpet of gold, or a carpet of bombs" if they did not agree to our terms. They refused the deal, a war plan was drafted and planned to start in Octobner, "before the snows". Funny how it all came off just as planned. Funny how the bin Ladens have been in business with the Bushes for decades and even AFTER 9-11. Funny how Cheney got the pipeline he promised to get for Lay.
Just a great big string of fabulous coincidences!

You have been conned. The Afghanistan war is a giant oil company con game and you are the sucker. It had not one thing to do with terrorism or 9-11.

Let's see those energy papers Cheney's hiding!

[Mistress Quickly]

65. I'm not a sucker

but thanks for playing.

Do you have a link for all of that? Not just someone's unnamed source also. Thanks.

[Djinn]

55. I think you're misinformed

"I agree with the War in Afghanistan, and wish we could do more there. I believe our military goes above and beyond the call when trying to assist innocents, much more than most around the world when it comes to war."

Almost every other democratic industrialised nation has more restrictive rules of engagement than the US - also they are signatories to the International Criminal Court which the US isn't and the US has stated that were a situation to arise in which US officers were charged with war crimes they would take any measures up to and including military force to prevent those charges being heard.

I'm not buying into the Tillman thing but to say that the US military assist civilians more than most is kind of stupid - what are you basing that on anyway?

[Mistress Quickly]

64. The Marshall Plan?

Who else has done anything like that?

ICC I don't think we need to belong to.

[Djinn]

78. do you need

to invade the netherlands if any of your forces are insdicted for war-crimes?

[Mistress Quickly]

80. ??????

So we've gone from Rachel Corrie and Pat Tillman to the US invading the Netherlands????

:shrug:

[noonwitch]

72. I don't see this as some kind of comparison-both are sad deaths

Tillman was serving his country. He chose to do so in response to a national tragedy-how can anyone fault his motives? I'm not big on war, am totally opposed to the war in Iraq, but we had to do something militarily in Afganistan. I would have preferred to see something targeted directly at OBL and the Taliban and no ariel bombing of major cities like Kabul. I had no problem with bombing the caves in Tora Bora where they were all holed up at one point. I want someone to get bin Laden, dead or alive. I wish that the UN had intervened in Afganistan with troops long before 9-11, because of how the Taliban treated women.

Rachel Corrie did a brave thing, too, but it was rather misguided. The israelis are wrong about bulldozing houses that belong to relatives of terrorists, but her death didn't stop them from doing it. Like Tillman, I don't think she planned on dying-she probably thought that the driver would stop and couldn't conceive that he would knowingly run someone over like that. I find the little graphics on free republic to be in such bad taste, the pancake pictures, the little bulldozer running her down, etc. But trashing Tillman for enlisting is equally disgusting.

[aquart]

5. Compare Tilman's humbleness with Corrie's arrogance.

Tillman went into the service as an enlisted man not an officer. He died because George Bush pulled money, men, and support out of Afghanistan for his Iraq war.

Rachel Corrie is considered a saint because she was too arrogant to move out of the way of a slow moving bull dozer. She deliberately and idiotically made a martyr of herself because she was so convinced that the sanctity of her presence would preserve that house and her life.

Till died because he, even if mistakenly, believed that he was protecting the people of his nation.

Corrie died protecting a house. A beach house. A dentist's beach house, IIRC.

For some reason, people consider Corrie noble. I consider her ridiculous. And dead. Really dead. For a house. Not the people in it. They were safe. For a house. Their house. That they didn't stand in front of.

[physioex]

15. She didn't die for a house.....

She died for her cause. How can she be blamed for her death. Let's start with the nut behind the wheel of the bulldozer and go all the way to the craziest of them all Sharon. Who said, "Don't worry about the americans, we own them". And why stop there, lets look at the government that is financing the ethic cleasing done by a racist state.

[RummyTheDummy]

22. Excellent point

I'll never understand the extremists who have to have it one way or another. Everything is black and white. Pretty stupid way to look at the world.

[bigbillhaywood]

26. Yeah, what a bitch. She deserved to die. I can't believe how you

"Israel can do no wrong" crowd manages to spin things. Yeah, the guy in the bulldozer is not to blame for her death, she is. Just like whenever a Palestinian kid gets killed, you guys always find some way to spin it where it was really his fault "shouldn't have been there at the time" or the fault of some Palestinians who got the kid caught in the cross-fire. Can't you admit Israel sometimes does bad shit?

[wtmusic]

47. 'Too arrogant to move out of the way'?

Please 'splain me how that has anything to do with arrogance, or why Corrie, for giving her life for what she believed in, is in any way less noble than Tilman?

[bigbillhaywood]

52. Becuase she sided with those filthy Arabs against the noble Israelis

[sadiesworld]

61. Just a thought ...but could this be an example of black/white thinking?

[FreeSpeechCrusader]

68. Arrogance...

Oh my goodness. This is one of the most ridiculous posts that I have ever read. Rachel didn't die just for a house. She died because she was fighting for her cause. She died horribly, but she died an honorable death. Rachel was using peaceful means to try to stop Israel's blatant bloodshed, and she was murdered in cold blood.

[jobycom]

6. Different places, different roles

Corrie was trying to bring peace to a region without it, when neither of the rivals was really our business. Tragic death.

Tillman decided to go where the government was going to send someone, anyway. I have no idea what caliber of person he was, whether he thought maybe he would be better in that role than someone with less character or whether he believed that he was going to take someone else's place in harm's way because he would have felt guilty letting others die in his stead (a feeling foreign to Bush, obviously). I know little enough about Tillman, but from what I've seen and heard, he did not strike me as a gun-toting loonie bent on shedding blood, so much as someone who saw their path and took it. Tillman didn't start the war, he just behaved in what way he thought best in reaction to it. As did Kerry, Gore, Carter and Daschle.

I wouldn't ridicule either one. I like Corrie's vision better, but I admire both of their conviction equally. Unlike Bush and most of his worshippers, both Corrie and Tillman walked the walk.

[Cnemia04]

7. God, I love the Tillman story.

Gotta be a movie in it somewhere.
Here's a guy--got movie star good-looks--square jawed--the whole package---highly intelligent--3.8 average in finance from ASU--graduated in 3 years--GREAT football player--walked away from everything earthly and material--gave up all the comforts anybody could ever ask for---to do what most of us thought was the right thing to do--fight Al-Queda in Afghanistan for their role in 9-11.
Here is a guy who could have had the good life--traded it in for heat, discomfort, danger--then paid the ultimate sacrifice--I ask you WHO among us would have done what he did?--Who among us would have given up all this man had to face a Calvary of sorts just to do what was in his conscience.-- This WILL be a movie some day--and a vey inspiring one at that. God bless Pat Tillman.

[jobycom]

18. Who? Certainly not Bush. Kerry and Gore did it, but not Bush

I love what Tillman did, too. I respect it. It highlights the cowardice of the Bush administration, that all of them chose the opposite path. It highlights the heroism of those who did serve-- Gore, Kerry, Daschle, Gephardt, Carter, McCain, etc. Not to mention the sacrifices of soldiers we have faced, who were fighting for their countries, too.

The real enemy is Bush.

But fighting isn't the only path. There are who have given up a lot to fight for what they believe in-- peace. That was Corrie's goal. She lost her life, too.

It's a sacrifice Bush couldn't even imagine, yet he is forcing people to make it every day.

[pebbles1]

70. beautiful post

He is a hero.

[readmylips]

8. The Tillman glory bothers me.....

Tillman volunteered to go fight a war, he is called a hero. Suicide bombers are also fighting a war, not with first class weapons but with their own bodies and souls. They are terrorists, evil and martyrs. So heroes and martyrs are in the eye of the beholder. Or in the eyes of who carries the most powerful weapons.

I would respect Tillman more if he would have dedicated his time toward world peace. Instead, he carried the most powerful weapons on earth that kill uncivilized human beings for his own self martyrism. Shame on parents who still allow their children to be sacrifice at the alter for human ego, power and wealth. I didn't know Tillman, and I don't care if you do. But I think that he was a jerk just like Colin Powell.

[corporatewhore]

11. yep men who kill w/ uniforms= heroes men w/o=terra-ists

[Bombtrack]

16. Talk about non stop ignorance

there is so much warp-mindedness in your post I don't know where to start. Tillman was an army Ranger. He carried a semi-automatic rifle, which is not close to the most "powerful weapons on Earth". Suicide Bombers are not fighting in a war. They are murdering and maiming innocent people. What happens to people that they just spurr so out of control of any sense.

[jobycom]

19. they consider it a war

And for the record, our soldier aren't fighting in a war, either. None was declared.

I didn't like the post you responded to, either. But to draw some line and say those on this side can kill and be good guys but those on that side will be bad guys if they kill for the same reasons is naive. It is just word games played by tyrants.

[bigbillhaywood]

33. Suicide bombers are fighting in a war even if their tactics are morally

reprehensible. Also don't forget Palestinian forces which target soldiers, police and armed settlers rather than civilians (PFLP, DFLP, Tanzim, and Hezbollah--for the most part) are also labeled terorists.

[Djinn]

56. any idea how many

innocents have been murdered and maimed in Afghanistan?

Any idea why the US ignored Taliban offers to hand over Osama?

Any idea why there's no war on Saudi?

Any idea why bugger all has changed for the people of Afghanistan - apart from the daily possibility of having a bomb dropped on them - still subjugating women, still no democracy, still no food/electricity/clean water/hospitals/schools in the vast majority of the country.

Must be nice to live in that land of utter self assurance that you seem to inhabit

[RummyTheDummy]

24. That Taliban was civlized?

Hadn't heard about that one. But yeah, any govt. who arbitrarily executes women for no reason whatsoever is civlized. Sure thing.

[DrWeird]

54. Hey...

at least the Taliban didn't execute women for no reason whatsoever with bulldozers.

[Djinn]

57. Get a clue on what Afghanistan is like NOW

most women say it's worse than under the Taliban - there's a saying there "under the Taliban a women who went out with her ankles showing would be flogged - under the warlord forces (who we helped re-install as leaders) they'll get raped"

Yep - everything hunky-dory in Afghanistan now that the bravce forces of the COW are there.

[QC]

25. How many times here have we said

that those who support the war should enlist? And how many times have we complained that the affluent always manage to find a way to stay home while the poor get shipped overseas and killed?

So here we have a guy who supports the war and enlists, a rich guy who could have used his wealth and connections to shield himself from almost any danger the world has to offer but instead put himself in danger, and he gets slandered for it.

It's disgusting.

[rinsd]

71. You would have a point....

If Pat Tillman walked into a market with a C-4 belt laced with nails and ball bearings, sat down inside of cafe, declared the glory of God, then detonated the belt killing the people around him. The puroise of which is to sow terror into the populaces heart. I give more credit to the PLO policeman who duke it out with the IDF.

Was he a hero? Well that's for individuals to judge.

"Shame on parents who still allow their children to be sacrifice at the alter for human ego, power and wealth."

Interesting quote from someone lauding suicide bombers.

Obviously this war has brought out the worst in us as a people. But some DUers do have children in the field. Are you planning on giving them this diatribe if God forbid one of their children is killed?

[Bombtrack]

10. Rachel Corrie isn't really a hero at all in my opinion

She probably ruined the lives of everyone who loved her because she was to stupid to get out of the way of a freaking Bulldozer. She's glorified therefor by people who hate the country of the Bulldozers origin

[bigbillhaywood]

28. It's all her fault. Israelis are perfect saints. They never intentionally

kill anyone. You knee-jerk Israel defenders are all the same-- when Israel does somethng bad to the Palestinians, you always find a way to spin it to where it's really the Palestinians' fault. You know, I support Palestinian liberation, but at least I can admit that sometimes Palestinians do bad shit. But for people of your ilk, Israel is beyond reproach. Everything is the fault of the Arabs. This kind of one-sided blame of all things bad on the Arabs, and defense of even the worst atrocities by Israelis, means one thing in my opinion-- racism, pure and simple. It's scapegoating. It's jingoism. It's ethnic supremacism. It's racial oppression. It's disgusting.

[Must_B_Free]

35. it is disgusting

[Bombtrack]

39. I'm a racist because I point out SHE STOOD IN FRONT OF A BULLDOZER

What do you mean by "Pallestinian liberation". Do you mean the destruction of the state of Israel? Because that's what I'm sorry, I stand against. I'm not a knee-jerk Israel defender, I'm a fringe denouncer. I think your summation of suicide bombers as "some bad shit" pretty much somes up who's one-sided thinker here.

Likud needs to be voted out, because god knows Shuini and Labor could do a much better job, but there is nothing Jinoistic about denouncing the villification of a people by a large part of the fringe left.

Jews are not ethnically or naturally or genetically superior in any way to arabs. But the Israeli populace does have a right to secure themselves from racist sexist cheuvenist Khomeniist murderers and the people sympathetic to anyone who uses violence targeted against the innocent for their goals

[bigbillhaywood]

40. Just shows what you know. I also said that I find suicide bombings of

civilians to be morally reprehensible in another post on this thread. What else do you want me to say on the subject-- do you want me to go on some bloodthirsty Freeper rant against suicide bombing Palestinians? Would this convince you I'm against murdering civilians, even when it's Palestinians doing the murdering?

Khomenini was a Shiite. Palestinians are Sunnis, and Palestinian society is largely secular. In fact, until relatively recently the palestinian liberation movement was largely secular. Hamas and Islamic Jihad were funded by Israel and US as a fundamentalist counterweight to the Soviet-supported and secular PLO.

What do I mean I support Palestinian liberation? I mean they should have a state. I mean they should receive some sort of reparations/justice from the Israelis who stole their land. I believe they should be accorded the same civil rights as Jewish citizens in Israel. And I believe Israel's military occupation must end. This does not necessarily mean destruction of the State of Israel. Nor does destruction of Isreal necessarily mean expulsion or oppression of the Jews. It simply means justice for the Palestinians.

As far as your attempt to get me to call you a racist, which will only result in my post being deleted by the moderator, forget it. Let's just say your position reflects intolerance for the Palestinian people as a whole as well as their supporters.

[Bombtrack]

45. Israeli's didn't steal there land. The Palestinians lost it in a war

that they started. And the violence that many Palestinians continue to perpetrate is only a detriment to them getting the state that they deserve.

[wtmusic]

49. If only they would just be good...

and accept the morsels that Israel throws them, while bulldozing their homes and fencing them in like cattle.

Sheesh.

[bigbillhaywood]

51. Some, not many, Palestinians. This is where you give away your bias.

The Palestinians never declared war on Israel in 1967. That was Egypt, Jordan and Syria. Of course, I guess they're all a bunch of stinking Arabs anyway, right?

[rinsd]

73. War didn't exist in the ME until 67?

"Some" Palestinians along with Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, Saudi Arabia and Lebanon fought with the fledgling Israeli state the day after its creation in 1948. And even before that there was a great deal on infighting under the British. Look up Hurani Riots and the Great Uprising.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Israeli-War-of-Independence

[Djinn]

58. Really?

So the Palestinians who lost there land in what is now Tel Aviv/Haifa etc lost it fair and square by virtue of the superior violence of another group.

BUT NOW those same Palestinians have to learn they wont get anywhere by violence. can you say LOL!

[Bombtrack]

77. Superior Violence? No, try the United Nations

Israel was established as an internationally recognized state by the leaders of the free world AND the eastern powers. And it was not controlled by the Arab/muslim pallestinians before that. It was controlled by the Turkish then the British.

[Must_B_Free]

42. one point though

"Jews are not ethnically or naturally or genetically superior in any way to arabs"

Jews are Arabs, excluding European/Asian Jews who were converted past the time of the Torah.

Biblically speaking, Semite = son of Shem (one of Noah's three sons). So, the term Anti-Semetic has been used as anti-Jewish, but it literally means Anti-Arab, in which Jews are included (again, historically speaking and excluding Ashkenazim).

[bigbillhaywood]

43. Right Sephardim are Semites, same ethnic stock as Arabs, but

Ashkenazim are not. Funny how anti-Jewish became anti-Semite. Not very accurate, technically speaking.

[wtmusic]

48. agree

those Palestinians keep blowing themselves up...they must be crazy! (or just really, really desperate)

[Forkboy]

69. This post is so simple I'm suprised it isn't written in crayon

[bluestateguy]

12. What a classy post

First you come on here with a Kerry bashing signature photo (in clear violation of DU rules), still evidently bitter that the voters of the Democratic Party have chosen Kerry and you attack a dead man who cannot defend himself.

I'm not going to speak ill of Rachael Corrie. While I support the state of Israel, I hate the Likud Party and I respected what Corrie did and her conviction for her cause. I deplore what the Israelis did to her.

For you to attack Pat Tillman, when he cannot defend himself, is beneath contempt.While many people bang the drums for war and sit on their asses, Pat Tillman put his money where his mouth was and enlisting. Aren't the people here (myself included) always saying that people who support the war should enlist? Tillman did that.

If you have a beef with the war in Iraq (as I do) attack the politicians who make that war, not the soldiers who do not make those policies. You admitted yourself that Tillman committed no crime of war so to attack him, and when he is dead at that, is just a cheap shot, low-class thing to do.

[corporatewhore]

21. imeant to mainly attack society's and media's warped reality

[FredScuttle]

59. by smearing a dead man?

I hope you sleep well at night.

[corporatewhore]

60. how was i smearing ?

just thought it was funny that a man who has killed (whether or not it was justified is a different topic) is considered a hero while a woman who made a point of using non violence a principle in her life was dismissed or called a terrorist

[bluestateguy]

13. delete

[Dookus]

17. They're both heros.

They both died for a cause they believed strongly in, and both did it for noble reasons.

I admire them both very much.

[Bombtrack]

23. Dying for something you believe in doesn't make you a hero

Rachel Corrie only hurt her family and helped to villify Israel to the fringe even more than they already have been.

Her death was unfortnate, but she was a fool for what she did.

I'm not equating her and evil people in any way, but terrorist of all sorts, muslim ones, European ones, American christian ones, all believe in what they're doing and are thought by many to mean well. They aren't heros

[wuushew]

27. They are both heroes according to the dictionary

Main Entry: he·ro
Pronunciation: 'hir-(")O, 'hE-(")rO
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural heroes
Etymology: Latin heros, from Greek hErOs
1 a : a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability b : an illustrious warrior c : a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities d : one that shows great courage
2 a : the principal male character in a literary or dramatic work b : the central figure in an event, period, or movement
3 plural usually heros : SUBMARINE 2
4 : an object of extreme admiration and devotion : IDOL

[wtmusic]

50. thank you

both noble, both courageous

[Dookus]

38. I didn't say

dying for a cause makes you a hero.

I said they both died for a cause and did so for good reasons.

Rachel Corrie is a hero. So is Tillman. Neither were fools.

[Bluzmann57]

30. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a patriot

as Tillman apparently was. The man did what he felt he had to do and should be admired for it. Quite frankly, I am getting sick of the people here who bash this guy, and all other soldiers, for that matter. Tillman, and all soldiers know exactly what they are getting into, and still choose to serve. Ask yourself, could you do what he did; that is giving up a pro football career for the military?

[Algorem]

32. believing this hero bullshit is why we will most likely destroy Earth

[bigbillhaywood]

34. Wars need heroes and martyrs. But don't blame Tillman for something

done by others after he was already dead.

[corporatewhore]

37. guess i worded it wrong meant to criticize society and media's

warped reality mainly

[AngryAmish]

41. It is cruel when people say she became Corrie-gated

[rumguy]

44. you're problem seems to be with the fact that the military uses violence

is there ever a circumstance when military options are valid in your mind?

[DrWeird]

53. This is the kind of person Rachael Corrie was.

[Dookus]

62. I couldn't agree more

and I think Tillman had the same sense of patriotism and justice. Two heros.

[U4ikLefty]

63. According to some here that person would be considered a "fool"

to have stood in front of that tank.

Or is it only foolish to defy Israeli injustice???

[DrWeird]

66. Funny how China's got this awful human rights record...

but apparently they're still better then the Israelis.

[LibInternationalist]

75. I don't think anyone actually said that