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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:50 PM
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Did John Kerry state that US troops committed war crimes
when he addressed the Foreign Relations Committee of the US Senate?

In his speech to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and in other speeches, Kerry summarized the findings of the Winter Soldier Investigation.

http://www.vvaw.org/faq/
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:53 PM
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1. Why are you DWELLING on Kerry's service?
Have you been drinking the KoolAid? How about dwelling on Bush's non-service, lies and draft-dodging, along with his chickenhawk VP?
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:56 PM
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3. I support Kerry
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 10:58 PM by pinkpops
Just checking to see who reads and who pounces.
Been watching those kitties?
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:56 PM
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4. LOL Rose
We're gonna beat this horse into glue. :evilgrin:
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Christ was Socialist Donating Member (649 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 10:53 PM
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2. Here is the link
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:07 PM
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5. Yep, you found it
And, in the end -

The Chairman: Mr. Kerry, it is quite evident from that demonstration that you are speaking not only for yourself but for all your associates, as you properly said in the beginning.

You said you wished to communicate. I can't imagine anyone communicating more eloquently than you did. I think it is extremely helpful and beneficial to the committee and the country to have you make such a statement.

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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 02:55 PM
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22. the question that pops a vein for freepers is "was kerry WRONG to protest
the war in Viet Nam, after BEING there, and SEEING the horrors?"

They don't have the BALLS to answer, and start sputtering and calling names and silly things.
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Tom Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:08 PM
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6. How would it matter?
Was My Lai a war crime? Or for that matter the secret bombing of Cambodia? Why castigate a guy for stating the obvious, you bet war crimes were committed!

This whole refighting of the Vietnam War is just a smokescreen to mask our current misadministration's colossal record of miserable failure on every front...a diversion, and I am (not surprisingly) disheartened by the media's attachment to Kerry's service record as an issue and by the pitiful response by the (supposedly) angry and united Democratic party...
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:13 PM
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7. I think they are just trying to make him spend his money.
Edited on Tue Apr-27-04 11:14 PM by pinkpops
As well as divert attention from themselves (as you say) . Not sure how Shrub's AWOL will figure in.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:29 PM
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8. Wasn't Powell involved somewhat
in My Lai? I thought I read that a long time ago.
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:40 PM
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11. me too
not me too I was involved, but me too I heard that about Colon Polyp.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:23 PM
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17. powell covered up the my lai massacre, and has been rewarded
ever since.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 05:10 PM
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23. Is there NO honor at all in this administration?
What a gang! Thanks, radwriter.
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rumguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:31 PM
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9. there were some war crimes committed, no?
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pinkpops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-27-04 11:38 PM
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10. That's what I hear
Here's the link someone posted above:
http://www.c-span.org/vote2004/jkerrytestimony.asp

Apparently Kerry's 1971 testimony related the experiences of many vets.
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FredScuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:27 AM
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12. Don't forget he threw his medals away, then lied about it!
poop
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Tom Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 02:05 AM
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13. no no no!
he "PRETENDED to throw his medals away" and then lied about it!
Karen Hughes said so! said it was "troubling"!

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nomatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 02:18 AM
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14. May I direct your attention to
2004 Pulitzer Prize
Toledo Blade
Buried Secrets/ Brutal Truths


http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=SRTIGERFORCE

"Michael D. Sallah, Mitch Weiss, and Joe Mahr received the investigative reporting prize for their series - "Buried Secrets, Brutal Truths" - which detailed how the Army failed to stop the atrocities after commanders were told about them. The reporters also discovered that the Army failed to prosecute soldiers who killed unarmed civilians after an investigation found the platoon had committed war crimes ."


Please read this, everyone. Stop questioning whether it happened. It did.
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notbush Donating Member (616 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 02:59 AM
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15. I don't want to fight the Vietnam war over and over and over...
I wish all this Vietnam war shit would just go away.
Kerry was a hero Bush was AWOL...
Who cares.
Let's talk about today's issues, and please Mr. Kerry don't preface every speech by saying "I fought in the war in Vietnam"
By the look of things right now , it's going to be a very close election.
We, as American's have got a shitload of stuff on our plates.
It makes me wonder if we don't need somebody under 50 running. A big % of voters were not even around during the war in Vietnam.
Let's moveon.
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zydeco Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:29 PM
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19. I agree, let's get to the issues.
Where we can start waking up America and showing people what is going on with this crooked cartel of pretenders. Kerry on.
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madmax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:22 PM
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16. I have two friends and a cousin who served.I asked
what was VN like? The Deer Hunter? No, they said, more like Apocalypse Now. :scared:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:25 PM
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18. He was REPEATING testimony that he heard at Winter Soldier investigation.
His testimony is taken out of context by the right to fit their intentionally distorted storyline.
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pezcore64 Donating Member (498 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:31 PM
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20. and
whats so unbelievable about that?

Surely u'd expect some crazy people to slip thru the cracks while a major draft was underway? Im sure there were some crazy americans sent over there with a gun in their hand. Thats why a draft isnt practical.
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whosinpower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 01:38 PM
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21. Of course US trroops committed war crimes
But even more significantly, is that the US government has never been led to accountability to the bombing campaigns of Laos and Cambodia.
Hundreds of thousands were murdered just during the bombing campaigns alone. Anybody recall any sort of compensation to the government of Cambodia, or Laos? Anybody recall any sort of international tribunal over that atrocity???

And you wonder why Kissinger is not allowed to travel abroad???????

I am all for Saddam being accountable for his crimes. I am all for Pol Pot to have been held accountable for his crimes. BUT, the standard must be equivalent across the globe. The US should not be exempt.
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