With 588.22% of the statewide voting districts currently reporting...

[Wonk]

http://web.dos.state.pa.us/perl/elections/elec_results/dsf/statewide1.cgi?choice=USS&eyear=2004&etype=P

:wtf:

Thanks to ParanoidPat for pointing this out in another thread. I figured it could use a thread of it's own, since the other one is pretty long already.

[Eye and Monkey]

1. now up tp 2602.62%

(1:37 EDT)

[Pale_Rider]

2. Crimony ... now up to 2183.38% of the statewide ...

... voting districts currently reporting!

***2182.38% of the statewide voting districts currently reporting***
*** Election results were last updated at 01:08:59 AM on 04/28/2004 ***

:wtf:

on edit:

oops now on refresh ...

***84.03% of the statewide voting districts currently reporting***
*** Election results were last updated at 01:08:59 AM on 04/28/2004 ***

on 2nd edit: unbelieveable ... upon another refresh.

***2235.66% of the statewide voting districts currently reporting***
*** Election results were last updated at 01:08:59 AM on 04/28/2004 ***

What the!!??? Just hit refresh and see the percent change with every refresh! Something is wonky (no pun intended) with their cgi script!

[ParanoidPat]

7. Oh yeah! I REALLY trust computers to count MY vote!

NOT!

[Syrinx]

3. black box voting, what do we expect?

It's sealed. Still, despite my darkest fears, I will urge everyone I know to vote. They can't fix it if the opposition is overwhelming, right? :shrug:

[chelaque liberal]

23. Urge them to vote absentee

[strategery blunder]

4. Click refresh continuously

The 'Statewide voting districts currently reporting' keeps changing with every click. It seems like a random number generator.

[DRoseDARs]

5. Not random; something like a dozen numbers over and over...

...and over...

[ParanoidPat]

6. What really bothers me is the 95,000 vote 'mistake' in Bucks County.....

.....From this thread.

That accounts for about half of the people who voted overall in that county!
How can anyone report a mistake that large and not notice? :shrug:

Bucks County

Candidate Votes

HOEFFEL, JOSEPH M. (DEM) 23,460

TOOMEY, PAT (REP) 39,324

SPECTER, ARLEN (REP) 126,952

[Pale_Rider]

11. From Bucks County the votes for Specter is only ...

... 28037.

http://elections.buckscounty.org/elect_results/pages/summary.jsp?eId=4

Democrat Vote for 1 View Results by District

JOSEPH M HOEFFEL 20680 100.0%

Republican Vote for 1 View Results by District

PAT TOOMEY 22001 44.0%

ARLEN SPECTER 28037 56.0%

Ah, where do you get the extra votes? :evilgrin:

[ParanoidPat]

16. WTF?

From this link!
http://web.dos.state.pa.us/perl/elections/elec_results/dsf/county2.cgi?eyear=2004&etype=P&office=USS

:wtf: :shrug: Paper please! :evilgrin:

[Pale_Rider]

18. Oh right! The same state web site ...

... with the random number generator! Actually someone should go through each of the county election websites and compare their counts against the state web counts. At least in Bucks County, there is a BIG DIFFERENCE between what the county reported and what the state is reporting!

[ParanoidPat]

19. They may vote by lever in Bucks County but I bet they report using.....

.....

GEMS!

[Pale_Rider]

31. Looks like the state finally corrected their totals ...

... for Buck County (or at least collaborated on getting their final numbers corrected). They must have been reading DU! :evilgrin:

http://web.dos.state.pa.us/perl/elections/elec_results/dsf/county2.cgi?eyear=2004&etype=P&office=USS
... and ...
http://elections.buckscounty.org/elect_results/pages/summary.jsp?eId=4

Bucks County
Candidate Votes

HOEFFEL, JOSEPH M. (DEM) 23,460
TOOMEY, PAT (REP) 25,124
SPECTER, ARLEN (REP) 31,952

At the end of the day, I wonder how many news outlets were pulling their election results off the State website in error!

BTW: Seems that the state also fixed their little problem with the random number generator.

[ParanoidPat]

32. They removed the random number generator from page one too.....

....I still have the complete web pages copied to my drive for posterity! :evilgrin:

[harmonyguy]

33. But they still have it on the inside pages

just got 592.65% reporting on the Senator's race last updated at 04:20:56pm

Ya just gotta wonder where they got/put all those extra votes.

You'd also think that by now they'd have a line on the website saying something like

"We'd like to count on you for your support in these troubled times .....but...
...... we can't figure our how to count anything at all"

HG

[Momof1]

8. What pisses me off...

Centre County

Candidate Votes


HOEFFEL, JOSEPH M. (DEM) 5,382


TOOMEY, PAT (REP) 6,753


SPECTER, ARLEN (REP) 6,666

And this includes 40,000 students from Penn State.... such bullshit.

[AZCat]

9. The % changes, but the vote counts don't.

Screwy... By the way, it changes on the 'by county' page also.
Here: http://web.dos.state.pa.us/perl/elections/elec_results/dsf/county2.cgi?eyear=2004&etype=P&office=USS

When you first go to the page, it displays 84.03%. Hit refresh, and it doubles to 168.06%.

Iteration Percentage
1 84.03
2 168.06
3 252.10
4 336.13
5 504.19

After that, it started jumping around the numbers above.

It seems somebody wrote their script with a little 'bug' in it.

[ParanoidPat]

14. I'll bet the nice folks at the Elections Division......

....who can't get such a simple script to run properly will still swear that nothing like that could ever happen on their DRE's! :evilgrin:

[AZCat]

15. LOL!

Paper trail?!
We don't need no stinkin' paper trail! :eyes:

[SoCalDem]

10. It's dropped now..

***168.06% of the statewide voting districts currently reporting***

[AZCat]

12. It just flips between multiples of 84.03

I'm guessing the correct number is 84.03%.

[SoCalDem]

13. We need to screen capture (I did) and send this to EVERYONE...

This is on their OFFICIAL site..

How can it be trusted??

[Kool Kitty]

17. The first time I looked at that page, it said

687.02%. I hit refresh and it said 201.98%. I hit refresh again and it said 522.03%. What the hell does that mean?

[ParanoidPat]

20. Even simple tasks done on computers are not fool proof.

This needs to be checked out in a little more detail. The PA election officials need to be asked for a comment about how safe they feel about their new toys after they have their noses rubbed in this. :)

[Zorra]

21. Electronic voting , in it's current form, sucks. End of story.

[goobergunch]

22. The numbers displayed are also quite different than KYW's

Unofficial 2004 General Primary Results
United States Senator
***84.57% of the statewide voting districts currently reporting*** //or 759.00%, 506.36%, 843.57%, 338.29%, 758.45%, 422.87%, 843.03%, etc
*** Election results were last updated at 07:29:22 AM on 04/28/2004 ***

To view a county-wide breakdown for a particular candidate, click that candidate's name.
For a county breakdown of the office, select the "County Breakdown for ..." link.

Candidate Votes

HOEFFEL, JOSEPH M. (DEM) 544,134

TOOMEY, PAT (REP) 512,147 //46%

SPECTER, ARLEN (REP) 612,256 //54%

http://web.dos.state.pa.us/perl/elections/elec_results/dsf/statewide1.cgi?choice=USS&eyear=2004&etype=P

Apr-28-2004 07:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time

PA Primary US Senate
Precincts Reporting: 9347 Of 9416 99%
Winner Candidate Party Incumbent Votes Vote %
X Arlen Specter Republican 527,365 51%
Pat Toomey Republican 510,724 49%

http://www.kywonline.com/election/race1.htm

:wtf:

[RedEagle]

24. Makes a good point

Back up- Kick!

[ParanoidPat]

26. This is what people here should be seriously looking at......

.....and asking questions about rather than half a dozen posts about what the freepers are saying IMHO. So :kick:

I'm off to go pull the County vs. State numbers into an Excel spread sheet. :)

[ParanoidPat]

25. Hmmmm

? :kick:

[harmonyguy]

27. Ahh, but it's not the voting machines.....

All you academic theorists and computer gurus need to understand that the voting machines are used in the context of an established election process - with skilled and experienced election officials, who have been managing elections for years, with processes and procedures and check and balances and such to ensure that the will of the people is properly and accurately recorded, and to maintain and ensure the integrity of the election process.

Yada, yada, yada .......yeah, right!

<RANT>
Seems to me that the experienced Pennsylvania Election Officials who try to pass-off this nonsence to the public need to tabulate their years of experience, skills, processes, procedures, checks and balances onto a piece of paper called a resume, and start looking for a new line of work - preferably one that does not involve numbers.

They must be taking their cue from the manufacturers of the equipment.
Hey - Election Officials - your systems should be tested BEFORE an election - not during an election. A Primary is NOT a dry run to see if the neat new 'features' that someone wrote actually work. Even us unskilled academic/computer theorists who haven't worked an election, nor examined your checks and balances, know that election results over 100% are flawed. Perhaps you can put THAT into your context.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrr.....................
</RANT>
HG

[RedEagle]

28. Yeh! What HG Said!

Kick!

[ParanoidPat]

29. Ditto!

:)

[Andy_Stephenson]

30. No Pain!

:kick:

[Pale_Rider]

34. Kick ...

:kick:

[harmonyguy]

35. Still needs correcting...

I'm still waiting for them to acknowledge this on their website.
Something like the following should do nicely..
"We'd like to count on you for your support in these troubled times .....but...
...... we can't figure our how to count anything at all"

Oddly enough, several counties that the State shows as being incomplete, show themselves as being complete.

HG