Let’s talk about Fallujah, or can we?

[Cleita]

I’m just recovering from what seems to be shell shock to me from the early live footage of the genocide in Fallujah yesterday. I really feel like I have been raped. It isn’t that I haven’t felt molested before, but yesterday I felt raped by the latest military operation in Iraq.

I want to express why I feel this way. First I am amazed that CNN presented the Reuter’s footage for a short while with reporter Karl Penhaul reporting above the mortar fire and the sounds of the mullahs praying and singing verses from the Koran it seems in the middle of the night.

It was so hellish I cried for hours afterward even when CNN cut the sound of the mortar fire and the mullahs because they claimed we couldn’t hear Karl. I heard him very well above the sounds of those we were murdering. I have only been able to find the soundless, other than Karl, versions of this on line.

I wonder if Wonk or Symbolman were able to capture the unsanitized version. It should be preserved, even if hidden at this time, for historical reasons.

Since then there has been nothing reported that tells us of the devastation. Yes, there are a few reports of this raid and that, but no one has reported going into Fallujah and assessing the damage. If Fallujah is no longer in existence then I suppose there is nothing to report, nothing to see here, blah, blah, blah.

If anyone has the truth and a link, I need to know what the shits in our government are doing.

I am still feeling shell shocked and I wasn’t even there. :cry:

[Daisey Mae]

1. I read your post and

could realize that I felt the same way.... I thought that there was something the matter with me but I just couldn't take it....This is done in our name.... How dare they....All based on LIES...

1. IT WAS WMD
2, THAT MERGED INTO THE NEED TO SAVE THE IRAQ PEOPLE.
3. WHICH QUICKLY MERGED INTO THE NEED FOR DEMOCRACY.
4. WHICH NOW IS "THOSE PEOPLE ARE CRIMINALS '" we must KILL them.

We are listing to psychopaths who have control of this government.....

[neebob]

2. All I saw was the innocuous-looking green night-vision footage

on one channel after another, and one news person after another saying they're insurgents holed up in a mosque - "misusing God's house," as it was put on Fox, I believe - and they attacked our troops first and blah blah blah. It's truly sickening, and then I watched that documentary about the Weather Underground on PBS and realized we used to have real news. I'm depressed now. And ashamed and afraid for the future. If most people can't see how wrong this bullshit war is, what will it take to stop it? Not that I really want to know the answer. It's a rhetorical question.

[HFishbine]

11. "They attacked our troops first"

Yeah, that caught my attention too. Seems to dismiss the events of March 19th, 2003.

[The Traveler]

3. It brings rage

It brings rage to those who believe in Americanism. This is NOT what this country has been about ... except when certain evil impulses surged forward and took control. Yes, America, too, has a dark side but not since the annihilation of the native Americans has it been set loose to play so freely.

American military power is set to suppress a popular uprising against its occupation. This is light years removed from the spirit of the American Revolution.

The tragic irony is ... Bush's plan might have brought the results he advertised had he dumped the neocon apparatchiks and staffed the coalition hierarchy with more reasonable people. Instead the whole thing has been used to line the pockets of his friends and political favorites (e.g. Chalabi).

I doubt this, tho. Can we expect Democracy to endure when the people do not struggle for it? Thomas Jefferson would doubt that, and thus so do I. Germany and Japan don't count ... they've only been in the Democracy business for 60 years or so. And then only after losing the most horrible war in human memory.

But that question is perhaps more pertinent now to America than to Iraq ... will Democracy endure if we do not struggle for it? Bush wears all the trappings of totalitarianism ... we either need to get the message and get rid of him or accept the horrible prospect of losing our freedom.

[izzie]

4. Some place I read what they were saying. It was not kill Am.

I was all over this PC last night so it may have been on a blog out or Iraq. I just do not recall.Try Asia times? Has any one read Riverbend? You can feel that women getting depressed. It is sad. I do not think we need to say I told you so, This is going to be a sad day for us.Their is no glory in this.

[mopaul]

5. hiding the dead, rebuilding the wreckage....HALIBURTON

at haliburton, we arrange for wars, and then we make huge profits from the carnage. this war is being brought to you by the wonderful people of haliburton.

[catmandu57]

6. What is happening in Fallujah now

in our name is criminal. We know what happens when an invading army moves to flatten a city, history is full of examples. We may prevail for a short time, through viciousness, but this will come back and bite us in the ass, hard.
We don't know what is going on there, really, nothing good for sure. A news blackout has fallen, if we were to see pictures of the flag draped coffins after this, there would be millions in the streets.

[Cleita]

7. So this is the day after.

Dumbya just said that commanders were on the ground in Fallujah. Says they will secure Fallujah on behalf of the Iraqi people. Says most of Fallujah is returning to normal. :puke:

So where is the footage?

Has the Swedish prime minister on with him. Did anyone show Bush where Sweden was on the map before his arrival?

[mmonk]

8. I believe the calls at the mosques

were for firefighters because several buildings in the city were on fire. At least I heard someone say that on TV.

[Cleita]

9. I don't believe anything they say.

Sorry, but they are now parading military spokesmen saying that everything is going well. But there is no real footage. They were bombing the hell out of it yesterday and they have not shown the aftermath. It seems like a big cover up to me.

[mmonk]

12. True

but at the time, there were huge fires.

[LittleApple81]

10. I just caught Bush*'s ending statements when with Sweden's rep..

I caught part of it on MSNBC. The anchor came on right afterwards and asked their "military consultant" (a retired general, I think) what he thought of Bush*'s statement that there were pockets of resistance in Fallujah. The General said that he thought it might be a way to put it but from what we have seen it ain't so. He said the Iraqis have taken our best and brightest and are putting up a credible resistance.

[keithyboy]

13. We can talk, but what good will it do if we don't act to throw this regime

out of office?

It is shameful that the US calls this incursion into Fallujah a "defensive" response and not an attack as it really is. We are in THEIR country, bombing THEIR people, mosques, infrastructure, murdering THEIR children and women throwing everything we have at them from the air, sea, and land, using armored tanks, heavy equipment, and the best trained military on earth and we call this a DEFENSIVE strike.

Give me a f**cking break!!!

We are invaders, and we would be getting our asses kicked royally were it not for the technical advantage we have and our much superior weapontry not to mention soldiers inside heavy tanks and helicopter spraying the area with exploding ammo and bombs!!

The world is watching and looks like we are the monsters they believe us to be. Now we are crying about Al-Jazeera being responsible for the uprising...we still don't get it. These are people fighting for their lives and their country and their identity. Literally fighting to defend against organized genocide against them.

[Cleita]

14. Yes, this is how I see it too.

I wish the media would wise up and do themselves a favor by reporting the whole truth, not just what the White House wants to hear them report.