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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 03:46 AM
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Jay Garner interview... Iraq chaos was desired
Prior to the last couple of months, I was of the opinion that the chaos in Iraq was due either to the * Admin's narrow-minded focus on Iraq's oil resources or to near-ubiquitous incompetence across the administration. However, after the recent collosally horrendous decisions (see bottom of post) and reading a recent poll analysis (suggesting that Bush is viewed by the public as stronger on defense, and that the recent increase in violence in Iraq has, counterintuitively, helped his numbers), I began migrating to the opinion that the chaos and increasing violence in Iraq is the administration's desired goal.

And that was prior to my reading the following interviews with Jay Garner (which I learned about during Monday's 'Majority Report' interview with Greg Palast on Air America Radio).

It's hard to be anything but certain at this point.

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    Jay Garner, the US general abruptly dismissed as Iraq's first occupation administrator after a month in the job, says he fell out with the Bush circle free elections and rejected an imposed programme of privatisation.
    ...
    "What I was trying to do was get to a functioning government ... We as Americans like to put our template on things. And our template's good, but it's not necessarily good for everyone else."
    ...
    Describing his dismissal after he called for elections , he said: "The night I got to Baghdad, Rumsfeld called me and told me he was appointing Paul Bremer as the presidential envoy ... The announcement ... was somewhat abrupt."
    ...
    But he had wanted the Iraqis to decide economic policy for themselves. "They'll make mistakes, and that's OK ... I don't think they need to go by the US plan."

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    Article in THE GUARDIAN: GENERAL SACKED BY BUSH SAYS HE WANTED EARLY ELECTIONS
    BY DAVID LEIGH
    Thursday Mar 18, 2004

    BBC TV INTERVIEW WITH GENERAL GARNER: IRAQ FOR SALE
    Friday Mar 19, 2004
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earlier "Yes, I now do believe that something else is going on." post:

    We're doing far too many things lately that are just downright aggressive and provocative. After reading/hearing a Presidential campaign poll analysis recently, correlating fear in the electorate to * gains, I'm evolving to the opinion that the * Campaign/Misministration may be orchestrating many of these blunders to increase chaos pre-election.

    ----
    Fallujah reprisal siege: as stated elsewhere, why do these 4 killings warrant such special attention? Fallujah is a known insurgent stronghold. The best medicine for such towns is to get the rest of the country prospering, and then they'll get on board 'cause they don't want to be left behind. Quarantine them, maybe, to protect the rest of the country, but don't play into their hands.

    al Sadr offensive (shutdown of paper, arrest of lieutenant, promise of al Sadr's capture): same as Fallujah. Why must al Sadr be addressed NOW? It's a political matter for the Shiites to work out. Left alone, he has little power; only through our military response does he gain followers.

    siding w/ Sharon on lopsided unilateral move in Palestine/Israel conflict: * might as well have pissed on the Palestinian flag. What a diplomatic f___up. Did he fail to ask Powell's opinion on this one, too? Do we even *HAVE* a State Department any more?

    appointment of Negroponte as US Ambassador to Iraq: linked to death squads, linked to Iran-Contra scandal that funded the arming of Iraq's enemy, the man who lied to the UN in order to create a facade of legitimacy for *'s invasion of Iraq. * couldn't have proposed a more controversial candidate.

    Bremer announcement of full sovereignty on Iraqi television, almost immediately contradicted as only partial: nuff said.


And now you can add that ridiculous flag. It's like waving a red cape at a bull. Crikey!

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 03:50 AM
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1. The thing about chaos, it follows its own rules.
If this is what BushCo wanted, it's a colossal mistake, except, of course, for those who passionately desire the end of the world.
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Capt_Nemo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 04:02 AM
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2. Once one's into spreading chaos
(and lauching unnecessary wars also falls on that category)
one's subject to Murphy's law: either things pan out exactly as
forecasted, or the slightest deviation from the predicted course
has the potential for catastrophic failure.
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krkaufman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 04:02 AM
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3. Not saying they give a shad about how to stop the violence...
... only that the chaos will extend the time window for privatization and keep pre-election American sphincters tight.

As for sufficient chaos to disrupt their privatization plans, I think they believe they can squash it militarily. I'm with you on the unpredictability of the situation. Can you say "chaos theory"?
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 04:38 AM
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4. About Negroponte:
On Tuesday, the Senate Foreign Relations Committee held a hearing on his appointment to be Ambassador to Iraq.

Repubs & Dems praised Negroponte & they are rushing his nomination through in under a week.

It seems Democratic Senators do not share your theory in Negroponte.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 04:51 AM
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5. That's scary!
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 05:03 AM
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6. Does any of this mean a thing? The corp are going to make money
and that is what counts and Boy George will have a new jacket to wear to the ranch. The people of Iraq? Well they do not seem to count.I swear I have read this book before.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 05:21 AM
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7. Why, that's as ridiculous as saying Sharon would incite an Intifada...
by going to Temple Mount......................................................OK, you got a point.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 05:27 AM
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8. I believe their "plan" will go the way of their new flag...



Iraqis burn a homemade flag with the design of their country's new flag in the besieged city of Falluja, April 27, 2004. U.N. senior adviser Lakhdar Brahimi warned Iraq (news - web sites)'s U.S.-led administration that an armed confrontation with insurgents in Falluja would lead to major bloodshed and long-lasting consequences. Photo by Akram Saleh/Reuters


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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 05:31 AM
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9. Yep...and meanwhile
Iraqi citizens are being slaughtered, and our soldiers are being killed and maimed. Just plastic cowboys and indians in bush's sand pile.

May he and his entire right wing administration rot in hell for all eternity.

:kick:
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Mika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 08:14 AM
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10. I hear ya, loudsue
Bush/Cheney inc. need to burn in that eternal lake of fire for their crimes.
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rman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 10:42 AM
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11. of course, chaos is required if a puppet government is to be installed
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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 10:50 AM
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12. Indeed, all these things were directly in our control to either bring
about or refrain from doing. The first incident of the closing of the newspaper and I knew just where this bastard was going. Rove publicly stated they wanted the news to be all about terror and war and they staged it in spades. People thought that it was negative news for Bush....of course not. It's very basic and very simple. The American people basically hate the Iraqis and see all of them as enemies. They don't care about bringing them freedom-----the only good Arab is a____, in their minds. Thus, you have more of our guys die and the juices flow "to arms, to arms---kill them". And God I heard a pot of just those type of e-mails read on CNN this morning. This is when we rally around our President because not to is to 'GIVES AIDE AND COMFORT TO THE ENEMY", don't ja' know!!! Bush is playing us and the Kerry campaign like a violin. The only possible way Kerry can get back into the headlines is to start using the word LIAR about Bush and every aspect of what Bush has done to this nation.......forgetabout stupid policy statements. It's now or never.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 11:56 AM
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13. I suggest "Indispensible Enemies" by Walter Karp.
You can get it from Harpers, I believe.
It provides the only rational explanation for this I
have ever seen, and a number of other "odd" features
of US politics.
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 11:59 AM
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14. I love your signature pic!
:toast:
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