DU on Air America, what is it with all the negativity?

[xultar]

Hey Y'all I'd like to open a discussion on the sounding of the Death-bell on AAR?

Sounds to me like we're just like the wingnuts who called AAR a loser from the start, how crazy is that? We complained about radio and the obvious conservative neo-con stance. We wanted radio that had our interests at heart and broadcast our voices as a whole. So, AAR launches, and almost immediately the neo-cons and conservatives started lobbing RPGs and Hellfire missiles at it. You wanna know what's funny, we start lobbing RPGs and Hellfire missiles at it also.

Drudge prints a story, immediately it is posted here and the vulcher start out about how they want Ed Shultz because he is just like RUSH. We complain that they don't have this DJ or that DJ just like we know exactly what they should do. As if we know their $$$$ situation and details on contractual talks with personalities.

Whass Up with that? OK So, they've been on the air for almost 1 month. One guy leaves and another steps aside. So, like Jack Cafferty's rant about how AAR is in trouble we start up again. We take Jack Cafferty's line and it starts echoing through the treads here @ DU.

Radio is not pretty. Radio is a very unstable business. Radio is also struggling with the whole monopoly thing right now. With that said, in this RW neo-con climate it is very difficult to do with AAR is doing. Instead of selling out to existing monopolies they are trying to forage their own path. They want to have control over content and distribution. In radio now there is a huge struggle between content and distribution over which has the most power.

We have to applaud them for their efforts. We also can't go :crazy: like the wingnuts and get all excited about their demise. There will be lots of changes in the next few years. That is normal. Just keep listening, if you don't like them, that is fine too. But, don't help the wingnuts knock them off the air.

Discuss

[LittleApple81]

1. Sometimes I think we are narcissistic jerks. We want to get attention

with our posts even if they damage the cause. At this point we in a situation of rallying to the cause even if we don't agree with EVERYTHING that is being done.
People, please keep the faith...otherwise you'll lose the country.

[xultar]

2. It is hard to keep the faith. Why? Because I keep taking friendly fire..

and it pisses me off.

[Robbien]

3. Most of those posts are right wing posers having fun poking Duers

They do it so that the right wing media will pick up the posts as if they were true liberal/progressive viewpoints.

The right wing is trying hard to tank AirAmerica and posting negative viewpoints here is one way they are using.

[xultar]

6. Well shouldn't they post that shit on the freeper boards? Oh, Duh!!!

they can post it here and then they can say, GEEZ even the Liberals hate AAR.

Oh, I get it.

:grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke::grr::nuke:

[BJ]

4. "Wingnuts" won't knock Air America Radio off.

Low numbers in the Arbitron ratings will.

I personally don't pay attention to Matt Drudge, Jack "Putty-face" Cafferty or, especially, Rush Limbaugh.

[xultar]

9. OK so that makes 2 of us...not paying attention to Drudge & the other

Assholes.

[BJ]

11. Hooray!

[DonP]

33. Ratings will be the final decision maker

I'm in the radio advertising business and the reality is, no matter how big the start up pot of money, the final decision maker is the ratings numbers that drive advertising revenue.

No ratings, no revenue, no Air America, good wishes and good intentions don't count for shit when the ratings books arrive. This is not about a Public Service Announcement, it's about creating an entire network. That is an incredible undertaking by any standard.

It took Limbaugh more than 10 years to get the distribution and ratings he has now. If we think Air America will match that in a few months we're all crazy.

While he was building that audience we were ignoring him or belittling him. Then we suddenly woke up and found out we were having our heads handed to us. It took us years to take that threat seriously.

It may take years to make Air American work, but at least someone had the guts to give it a try. Listen to AA, let the advertyisers know you heard their message there and tell like minded firends. And be PATIENT!

That being said, IMNSHO I wish the programming was less a copy of right wing style radio and more original. Celebrity spokepeople as the on-air talent won't take the place of originality and entertainment. Those are the two things I think, from more than 30 years of radio advertising, drive ratings.

[LittleApple81]

64. So LET'S PROVIDE THE RATINGS!!!! I can only listen on the web

but I am sure that there are other DUers who can provide the ratings to the stations. Let's do it.

[hexola]

5. Talk radio appeals to a certain mentality...

Talk radio is for "them"...and I hate the idea of copying this shallow format for our own purposes...

It's like saying "Hey we can use lies and half-truths to our advantage too!"

Like O'Reily says "We're looking out for you" - that's a decidedly a "follower" mentality...that's why talk radio works...

I like to think we are above, or at least immune, to this format...

NPR is "our" format...expand that!!!

[LittleApple81]

8. You must be kidding, right? WE NEED EVERYTHING WE CAN GET.

And Air America is keeping issues alive, giving the CORRECT liberal viewpoint. WE NEED THEM!

[hexola]

12. Preaching to the choir...mostly...the one thing we can hope for is...

that the other side sneaks in to listen...and we get that subtle shaping of views...

I have to admit - I listened to Limbaugh everyday for years...he probably affected my views somewhat...but - I hated him...I would regularly be yelling at the radio, flipping it off...etc..

Remember when Nixon died...the people who opposed them said "He shaped my life" By living in opposition to something...you are being shaped...

Franken is pretty lame on the radio...I like Ed whats his name...

[cjbuchanan]

34. Preaching to the choir?

I think there are many people who listen that learn from the broadcast. You might be right, most people that listen are willing to agree to most of what they say, but that does not mean the information is worthless. AAR helps us counter the distortions put out by the right. It is helping "arm" the left with facts so we can spread the message to others who do not listen.

If you do not like AAR, that is just fine, but I believe it is a very good thing that we have this information getting out.

[hexola]

43. Let me guess...AAR has the "truth"

AAR helps us counter the distortions put out by the right.

...With our own brand of distortion...?

It is helping "arm" the left with facts so we can spread the message to others who do not listen.

Oh "facts" huh? - Sorry I just can't accept what comes out of theses progams as "facts." I just don't trust the format...It wouldn't work with "facts" (for either side!)

Just like O'Reily says..."We're looking out for you"

[LittleApple81]

69. OK. So don't listen to it. SOLUTION FOUND. I don't listen to the

rightwingers.

[linazelle]

13. AAR is NOT like saying we "can use lies and half-truths, too"

The one thing AAR has is integrity. That's their challenge to maintain that integrity. Radio has been full of lies so long it's easy to try to mix real journalism in with what poses for it on RW stations. Don't do that.

AAR is not infallible. I expect a few goof ups, but for the most part, you get truth from AAR. That's why the right hates them s much. They can't stand truth, it's like pesticide--kills those rodents dead in their tracks.

I also expect major assaults by the right to try to muffle the voice of AAR--just like they try to label DU as being an extremist website.

[hexola]

19. Sez them...EIB will say the same thing...

...you get truth from AAR...That's why the right hates them so much. They can't stand truth...

A page right out the EIB playbook...

"maintain integrity" ? hah - perhaps they should earn some first...

[LittleApple81]

22. Look, from what I have heard in AAR, they always try to have

information and RESEARCH to back up their statements. Randi Rhodes does direct research into original documents and puts them on her web page. Could you please listen before you say what you say? NPR is National Petroleum Radio any more. We need stronger messages now.

[cjbuchanan]

48. Please provide an example of them not having integrity

They've been on-air for about a month. Please provide a list of items they have broadcast that would prevent them from having integrity.

Thank you.

[xultar]

66. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh...You're giving yourself away! n/t

[cjbuchanan]

14. Have you listened?

You know, talk radio does not have to be full of lies and half-truths. I know that is how the right runs their talk shows, but Air America Radio is not run that way. They go out of their way to provide documentation to backup what they say on air.

If you don't like talk radio, that's find, to each their own, but please don't run down AAR because you do not like the format.

[hexola]

26. Limbaugh always has a "source"

Limbaugh always claims to have a "source" - or documentation...AAR is no better than EIB...when it comes to "Spin Methods"...

And yes I have listened...not impressed.

[LittleApple81]

31. Does he post his sources on the web? I will never go to check

because I cannot even stand listening to snippets of his program.

[hexola]

36. I believe Rush attempts to post info to his website...

that compliments his radio program...

[Maine-i-acs]

67. Nice defense of Limbaugh there ... (eom)

[hexola]

70. I'm not defending him...just stating the truth...(eom)

[mouse7]

83. Ahhh... YOU are the sole holder of truth, then?

Suuuuuuuuure... that's not arrogant, huh?

[Name removed]

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[mouse7]

111. Rush posting spin is not proof of liberals posting spin

I want links in abundance of all these examples of things that are untrue that liberals have posted.

I'm waiting.

By the way, the only thing you are holding there is the baggage you've brought to the discussion. That baggage has nothing to do with reality.

[hexola]

114. The last half hour on AAR...

They had person doing a "psychoanalys" of the Bush-Cheney relationship...(and how often to masturbate)

That sounds like some real fact-based programming...not!

Speculation and Spin...

...mmmk

[mouse7]

119. Wrong. The programming was labeled correctly.

Analysis is labeled as analysis, and fact is labeled as fact.

As long as the labels are truthful, the broadcast is accurate.

AAR states when something they say is fact or opinion.

[xultar]

124. OK why even bother to listen, if you Like RUSH then listen to him,

I think, however, you're starting to show your spots.

[hexola]

129. I can listen to Rush - but not because I agree with him...

Know thy enemy...

I think Rush is a great humorist...be honest...that Clinton stuff he used to do was often clever and halarious...

Listening to Franken now - it's such a lame impersonation of Limbaugh-type satire bits...has anyone laughed yet...?

And, anyone who knows who the Firesign Theater is can't be that bad...(Rush has occasionally mentioned them)

[mouse7]

133. Show me links to these "liberal lies" of yours

I'm waiting.

[hexola]

139. Franken just implied that ...

Karen Hughes erroneous claim about the Kerry medals was part of the a Bush strategy to sick his "attack dogs" on Kerry...

Was it? I don't know.

I think Ms. Hughes stuck her foot in her mouth...and screwed up everthing that Bush had hoped to gain. Hardly what Bush wanted. I think she is a rougue...not in step.

[hexola]

142. The OyeOye Show...nothing but spin....

Using facts - to create spin...

[Name removed]

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[hexola]

146. Yes - often referred to as "satire"....

He was spinning new info about N. Korea Nukes...

Prove to me he wasn't!

[BigMcLargehuge]

148. burden of proof lies with you

can't prove a negative.

You prove where he's spinning NK nukes.

[hexola]

153. Did you hear the Oye piece...?

Al's handholder (the girl) said:

"New information about N. Korea nukes says N Korea might have 8 nukes instead of 2..."

Franken: "Oye"

The whole bit is concieved to spin this new info...they are not concerned whether or not it's true...in fact, they imply that it is true.

Is it true??? I dont know - note the word "estimates"
http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-14/1083137726248291.xml

But -- it's good enough for a spin-job!

[mouse7]

156. It's an official Bush administration report

WASHINGTON -- "The United States is preparing to significantly raise its estimate of the number of nuclear weapons held by North Korea, from "possibly two" to at least eight, according to U.S. officials involved in the preparation of the report."

So it's an official US Gov't estimate prepared by the Bush Administration that Al Franken was quoting from. It's a fact. Then a joke was written around the fact.

See... this isn't that tough.

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-14/1083137726248291.xml

[hexola]

164. An estimate is a fact...?

It was a joke written around estimated info from the Bush Admin...

Do you trust Bush that much?

I don't...

No way of knowing the truth about N. Korea here...?

"At least eight..." hah - sounds like guessing to me...

[mouse7]

176. The Associated Press reported govenment report as a source.

The Associated Press reported this information as news. Al Franken quoted what the Associated Press reported.

If you don't link what the Associated Press reports, take it up with them.

[Name removed]

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[mouse7]

151. The OyeOyeOye show is a joke!

Do you know what the difference is between a joke and evidence/facts? Apparently not.

[hexola]

155. It was a "joke" based on unsubstantiated information...

...that was presented as fact for the purpose of the bit...

It was POLITICAL SATIRE...

just calling it a "joke" is too vague...

[mouse7]

158. No, it was based on a Bush admisitration report

WASHINGTON -- "The United States is preparing to significantly raise its estimate of the number of nuclear weapons held by North Korea, from "possibly two" to at least eight, according to U.S. officials involved in the preparation of the report."

http://www.nj.com/news/ledger/index.ssf?/base/news-14/1083137726248291.xml

Franken used a fact from a Bush Administration report and wrote a joke around that fact.

[hexola]

172. We all know - Bush doesn't deal with anything but facts...

Gosh - using BushCO info to make your point...

Whats next - you have WMD?

note the words "estimated" and "at least" - not words associated with facts....

[mouse7]

181. Franken quoted an Associated Press story

If you don't like the stories the Associated Press writes, take it up with them.

[robbedvoter]

184. Sophistry - the logic of the confused

You were saying Franken was doing nothing but spin. It was shown to you that his material was what passes for "news" in this country. Now, Franken is supposed to be responsible for the poor quality of the news?
Well, I know, as a Limpballs listener you have high standards and logic is not a prerequisite. Having a good time on DU?

[xultar]

188. BUHWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! N/T

[mouse7]

143. Where's the links to all those "liberal lies" you were yelling about

You said AAR was noting but lies. Where's the links that prove it?

I'm waiting.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

141. i disagree

i usually find rush's humor to be quite stupid and unfunny, parody songs that aren't really funny and his "update" themes where he lets the whole song play becuase it is "funny". Also i have heard lately the "tom daschle show" skits on rush's show, it is an obvious jab at air america's "alleged" financial troubles that banks on misconception rather than truth.

limbaugh is not very funny.

the only thing i find funny about him is his big headedness.

"talent on loan from God-deh" :eyes:

[robbedvoter]

193. My sense of humor is more marxist than that

That you enjoy his vicious attacks on a teenager tells me plenty about you.

[cjbuchanan]

38. As all ready stated,

Does he post them on his website? Does he explain the exact web site or television program he is getting it from and then tell you how to get hold of that exact information? Does he ever correct any errors he says?

AAR does all the above things.

Look, you don't like it, that's fine. Have fun listening to NPR, but until you can provide some evidence that AAR is providing half-truths and lies, I don't think your argument holds up.

edit for grammar

[hexola]

55. I think it's inherent to the format...

It's a Spin Based format...not fact based...these folks are not reporters...

And to be fair - I think the answer to your opening questions is...all yes.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

71. from what i have heard so far, AAR tries very hard to actually use facts.

i would like to see a list of inconsitencies or distortions that you have heard. simply saying it is inherent in the format is a little non-speficic eh? Throw the baby out with the bath water. how about you use some facts to back up you allegations.

[hexola]

80. They always use facts...to base their "O-spin-ions" on...

Facts are used for a basis for the distortions...that's how this format works...

Rush Limbaugh
Glen Beck
Mike Gallagher

Base their "Ospinons" on "facts"

AAR was supposed to the "answer to conservative radio" - it's the same format with a different viewpoint.

[linazelle]

86. AAR is NOT "the same format w/a different viewpoint"

AAR is NOT attack radio. AAR is not terrified of truth like OxyRush and Hannity and they don't rely on innuendo, rumor and conjecture. They present cold, hard facts and then speculate why people aren't more informed. That's the AAR format. If you listened you might know this.

[hexola]

89. Dammit - I HAVE LISTENED!!!

...pretty presumptuous bunch here...Is this how AAR works?...assume...assume...assume.

I wouldn't bother to comment if I hadn't listened.

I like Al Franken using Grateful Dead as his lead in and lead out music...that's cool.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

98. i believe if you could site an example to explain your point

it might make your statements more meaningful. that is all it is, i have listend to AAR a great deal, i also listen to Rush a great deal during lunch, the two are completely different, sure one could argue that they are using the same techniques, ie. taking facts and then giving their interpretation of these facts, but Rush is by far much more devious in the way he works. the facts work in AAR's favor but in rush's case most of the time the facts don't matter just like when he and others reported incorrectly reported that AAR bounced checks. Rush uses facts from NewsMax.

again, i see your point, but the i don't think AAR is comparable to the right wing radio hate mongers.

[hexola]

100. Why - you just agreed with me...

...sure one could argue that they are using the same techniques, ie. taking facts and then giving their interpretation of these facts...

...thats all I'm saying...

Rush is just better at it that AAR...but he's not "righter"

[SheepyMcSheepster]

106. yesterday Rush said that the chemicals found in jordan

had been traced back to the perfume factory in Iraq that was booby trapped. is this true or false? has this been proven. it is not based on any article, he didn't site any source, he just said it.

are you saying AAR functions the same way?

[hexola]

107. Yes

[SheepyMcSheepster]

117. so you are saying that not only do they spin facts, they just make them up

as well?

can you give us a good example of talk radio at it's finest? what is your ideal talk radio show. a show that reads articles and makes no comment on them?

[hexola]

123. David Brudnoy is the most credible talk host I've ever heard...WBZ Boston

http://wbz1030.com/brudnoy/

He's a great interviewer. Non-combative. A true pro. A conservative, I think. But he is the best in the biz IMO.

[mouse7]

130. Who cares. Show me the links to these "liberal lies" of yours

I'm waiting.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

132. ahh yes, true unbiased facts:

"Time to check in on some of the nuttier ideas these days. Helps keep one’s head screwed on right to realize how screwy the rest… (as Paul Harvey would put it) of the story is. Take California, please. The Democrats, desperate as they see their awful governor Gray Davis headed most likely to getting the boot, argue successfully before a three-judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Court, all Bubba-appointed liberals, that some ballots are the punch card thingies that we laughed about in the Florida vote in 2000."

http://wbz1030.com/commentary/local_story_262181511.html

[hexola]

112. 11:58 Nobody in-studio can figure out what they are talking about...

the host just admitted he was confused...not up to date...

Gosh these folks are stars!!!

[xultar]

115. WTF? Puhleez, that is what makes it real radio. Radio Talk Show hosts

RW and everyone else have moments like that. It is no real biggy.

Geez :eyes:

[hexola]

118. It was a lack of research and bad production...

The host was clearly clueless...

That would never happen on Limbaugh's show...

[SheepyMcSheepster]

120. lol, sure

how often do you listen to rush?

[hexola]

135. Rarely anymore...he has become a pale impersonation of his former self...

I can't remember the last time I listened...probably when the drug-story broke...that was a "must-listen" day...

[mouse7]

136. Show me links to these supposed "liberal lies" of yours.

I'm still waiting.

[SheepyMcSheepster]

145. well maybe you should listen to him these days.

he is in attack mode all day these days.

[mzmolly]

168. Sounds like your on the wrong discussion board?

:hi:

[hexola]

174. Really - use that star of yours to search me up...

then tell me I'm a freeper...

I just sharing my opinion of AAR...

[mouse7]

179. You are.

I didn't say it. You did. I am free to agree or disagree, though.

I don't know why the mods haven't tombstoned you yet. You've gotten lucky. Your luck will run out.

By the way, what the hell would a search matter? You act like people can't lie in their personal profile.

[mzmolly]

185. Telling you your a freeper is against the user rules.

Your opinion speaks for itself and is not limited to "AAR"..

[mouse7]

125. Guess you didn't hear Rush's show returning from drug rehab

The whole damn show whas one long "uh... um...uh......umm" session. Three hours of it.

[BigMcLargehuge]

137. Oxycontin is a helluva drug

LOL.. I heard that show. For the first time in my life I felt pity for that asshole. It was fleeting, but definitely pity. Now that he's back to his full on Hillbilly Heroin normalcy, I can't stand the sound of his voice.

[hexola]

140. Yes I listened - what's your point...

[mouse7]

147. Real "professional" broadcast, huh?... now, where are your links?

All those "liberal lies" you were claiming. I want links to them.

I'm waiting.

[BigMcLargehuge]

149. don't hold your breath mouse7

he's busy cross posting at FR about how awesomely he's burning us DUmmies...

:eyes:

[mouse7]

152. I know. I don't know why the mods here aren't answering.

The rules say I can't say what I've been doing, but I don't understand why there hasn't been a response.

[hexola]

159. They are...see post #144

[mouse7]

162. No they aren't.

Someone is lucking out way longer than is normal.

[hexola]

165. Yes - you...

[mouse7]

183. I'm not the one defending right wing talk radio and attacking liberals

It would be you that's doing that. You've very transparent and you won't last much longer.

[hexola]

157. I was zotted after 4 posts at FreeRep...

nick at FR "corkscrew"

A freeperish response - anyone who dissents - even in a tiny way - labled a traitor or troll...

I just think AAR stinks...not trying to burn anyone...

[BigMcLargehuge]

161. I dunno if it's out of line

watching you parrot the same single dumbass FR talking point about AAR... :shrug:

Hey, where's those links we're all waiting anxiously for?

[hexola]

170. Someone with a star - search my user "hexola"

You will find that I am a 37 year old, long haired, pot-smoking, neo-hippie, redneck...

I aint no Freeper...

Goto the State Forums - PA

Y'uns is real paranoid!!!

[hexola]

171. Unfortunately duty calls...

I will bump later...and attempt to satisfy you link hungry folks out there...

[mouse7]

182. Translation: running away with no evidence provided

We are used to hit and run artists.

[mouse7]

121. No... Rush LIES. That's the difference.

Rush tells falsehoods and fabrications and claims they are accurate facts. Rush has the one of the worst accuracy records of any broadcaster.

[hexola]

103. At the moment - they are talking about how often to masturbate...

Anyone got any facts on this one...sounded like opinion to me...

[hexola]

105. Now - Psychoanalys of Bush-Cheney relationship...oh the facts...the facts!

This is a bullshit session - no real content or facts...just bashing!

What a joke!

[mouse7]

127. Show me links to these "liberal lies" of yours

I'm waiting.

[hexola]

160. Mouse7 - just what do you want...?

If you like - I will tape the show a few times for you and point out some stuff...

But clearly that's a project...and not something you will get today...

Your multipost fevor is only damaging your credibility...

I already pointed out one instance of using unsubstantiated info...you dismissed this because "it was a joke" ?

What's the joke?

Franken is comedian - you could call anything he does a joke...

[BigMcLargehuge]

167. lemme simplify the argument for you

Al Franken and Rush Limbaugh... NOT JOURNALISTS.
Dan Rather and Peter Jennings... JOURNALISTS.

One group reports the NEWS one group comments on the REPORTED NEWS.

CNN ... News Organization
AAR ... Talk radio network
EIB ... Talk radio network (though they only do one show, so how is it a network again?)

CNN ... gathers and reports news
AAR/EIB ... opines on content of news

Conservative... DOESN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE
Liberal... KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE

See if you can guess which group I think you sit most confortably in...

[mouse7]

169. I want links posted HERE to all these "liberal lies" you ranted about

You yelled about all the lies being told on AAR. I want proof of the lies you claim exist, or I want you to admit there you can't prove anything you were ranting about.

You've made claims that AAR was lying. You need proof to make such accusations. Prove you had a basis for you claim, or admit your charges had no basis.

[mzmolly]

203. What I "wanted" has happened ... Buh Bye Hexola!

:hi: Can't say you'll be missed :evilgrin:

[mouse7]

128. Show me links to these "liberal lies" of yours

I'm waiting.

[mouse7]

154. Links. I want links.

Show me evidence of these "liberal lies"

You can't, can you?

[linazelle]

101. If you listen then why do you say it's just like Attack Radio?

AAR does not subsist on hyperbole.

[mouse7]

116. You may have heard it but you didn't LISTEN to it

If you had, you would know that AAR is FACT BASED.

Where's those links to all those lies us liberals are promoting there?

I'm waiting.

[xultar]

190. Well, ok, we agree on the music, that is a start. n/t

[mouse7]

113. Links please.

I want links to all these supposed "o-spin-ions" I want to see where all these liberal lies you claim exist are.

I'm waiting.

[robbedvoter]

189. AAR is not supposed to answer to conservative radio - it's supposed

to air MY VOICE for a change - because I have been suffocated by your humarous friends.
When Air America went to the Women's march - they gave 5,000 buttons in seconds - they were mobbed by adoring fans telling them that they were the answer to their prayers.

But what do we know? We don't consider Rush "a great humarist" .

[NewJeffCT]

54. didn't FAIR cite Limbaugh for over 10,000 inaccuracies?

Not sure, but I think I recall that... and this was after Rush said that FAIR had only cited him for like a dozen.

[BigMcLargehuge]

134. they cited him and put out a book

Rush Limbaugh's Reign of Error in 1996 or 1997.

On edit: added a "y"... Why? Because we love you!

[skooooo]

17. Please point out the "lies" and "half-truths"...

...when you hear them on AirAmerica. It would be to everyone's advantage. I suspect there aren't that many. NPR sux azz.

[Robbien]

20. Air America could use a show more in line like "Democracy Now"

The talk shows are good, but investigative reporting such as DemocracyNow! or ThisIsHell would add some variety and draw in more listeners.

[LittleApple81]

24. I love This is Hell... I hope they look into it to put it in AAR. n/t

[xultar]

32. But you won't win listeners by doing what others are doing. Why listen

to AAR if they have a show like Democracy Now. Just listen to Democracy Now.

Radio personalities, programming, and content specialists are very concerned about people stealing or copying ideas. Originality is the key.

Think about it. Rush, foaming, lying, raging, raving, conservative. Then you have O'liely, hannity and the others. Rush has the audience. O'liely and Hannity aren't doing that great because they are doing the same old crap. There is only one way to spin the white house's talking points on a daily basis.

Glen Beck, has original content, though is his a raging conservative. He'll survive because he is doing his own thing and not trying to copy Rush.

Originality is the key!

Don't copy, we don't led a Rush-Left for our side. We need something different.

IF YOU'RE NOT THE LEAD DOG, THE VIEW NEVER CHANGES.

[Robbien]

44. But for most the country, DemocracyNow and ThisisHell are not known

DemocracyNow is a left coast show and ThisIsHell is a midwest college run station. The only national attention they get is from the internet.

AirAmerica would not be followers, they would be leaders for most of the country if they did investigative shows.

[xultar]

122. Yeah, but it is still copying. I woudn't be impressed if they copied

content and Ideas. I like the comedic aspect of all their programming. That is cool.

[xultar]

60. Liberals do way more research than the RW so no 1/2 truths n/t

[hexola]

74. Really - If it comes to guns and explosives...

I'll entertain the word of a Freeper...they know more about that stuff than our side...

[ewagner]

7. I am soooo thankful for AAR

I keep it streaming in the background all day.

I turned a couple of my neighbors on to it and they sometimes call and ask me: DID YOU HEAR THAT????

CNN used to be background for my home office....no more!! It's AAR

I wouldn't do anything to jeopardize AAR!

[Norquist Nemesis]

18. Here Here!

or should that be Hear Hear! LOL

Since AAR has come on the air, I feel like I have a voice. I live in the heart of a Republican machine that procreates with a statistically higher rate in multiple births. :chill:

Thank God for AAR. I love it!!! As to the naysayers and complainers, they have the option of listening to something else more to their liking. I agree that if AAR's best demonstration of popularity is the Arbitron ratings; that said, the strong criticisms could have an impact directly affecting those ratings.

I really like to actually see the Arbitron ratings for Hannity, Limbaugh, etc. in each of their markets. I have the feeling they're claim to be #1, #2, etc. is based on something other measurement than Arbitron...maybe advertising dollars or something. :shrug:

[xultar]

21. Yeah, I play it loud here @ work. I can honestly say that I am a much

happier person with AAR. I'm not so depressed now.

[apnu]

39. can I come and work at your office?

I'm sick of being the only liberal, doomed to wear headphones while listening so the neocon freakazoids will leave me alone and let me work and listen.

Need a experienced computer technician, a 6 year multi-platform multi-skill base IT veteran?

(I'm half joking and letting off steam BTW)

[cjbuchanan]

10. Got to love Air America

I agree with you. I do not understand why so many people here have reacted so negative to AA. Yes, they have room to improve, but we have to support them. If we really want our voice to get out there, we have got to show that there is an audience for this kind of broadcasting.

Let's not defeat ourselves, support Air America Radio.

[Christ was Socialist]

15. Speaking from my viewpoint

I have never cared which way anything leans, it is never safe from my criticism, thats how americans should be, I support air america to the end, but they are screwing up, all this trouble so soon, there is no excuse. We would be worse than freepers if we just ignored it.

[xultar]

23. I must disagree. Have you worked in Radio? This is Radio, it is normal

they are a start up. It is a new company. Radio is not civility, behind the velvet curtain it is a cut throat business. Full of nepatism, cronyism, and craziness. That is what Radio is all about.

[Christ was Socialist]

30. that's kind of my point

I would make a guess there that there is some liberalism amongst the crowd, here we are on the shores of an election, and they can't even put aside thier bullshit, to help topple bush. It doesn't surprise me, the far left isn't a fan of air america do to its lack of diversity of opinion. Still waiting for noam chomksky to make regular apperances. I mean they don't have to go out out there like lyndon laRouche, but at least the right has there outer rim on, the further left can't even get media attention from a liberal network, this is why dems need to relaise nader will top 4 million votes this year, even though I'm not a supporter of his.

[LittleApple81]

29. They are just starting. They needed to get in fast, before it is

too late to help the democratic cause. They have smart people, they probably can recoup. But in the meantime we have some voices out there.

[peacetalksforall]

16. If you plant seeds of doubt it is easier to have your lies believed.

This is a right wing oath.

For years, everyone has said there has to be an answer to right wing cable and radio...now there is a start and it has bumps, but it is needed - badly. We should not plant seed of doubt.

[bacchant]

25. It's a little hard supporting Air America

when you live in LA. Sorry, but the fact that they still haven't put it back together here, casts a pale on it's efficacy.

[LittleApple81]

27. They just started. Don't kill them before they have a chance to

do better. I bet they started this a little bit "flying by the seat of the pants." They must have felt that it needed to be done NOW to help the democratic cause.

[xultar]

42. You make it sound like you can lease stations like a car...it ain't that

easy honey.

Think...

Clear Channel and Infinity own the vast majority of the stations, the few others that are independent have contracts for their current programming.

The FCC does not hand out kHz like free samples. FCC is filled to the brim with Bush Adminisration Cronies, Colin Powells son is the FCC head huncho and from there they are all wingnuts. How do you think that Clear Channel has been allowed buy up everything?

B 4 real. LA and Chicago are huge markets. It isn't going to be easy. That is why they went the route they did with that asshole Arthur C???. Hides behind a name like MultiCultural Broadcasting but is a wingnut.

[bacchant]

68. Maybe so

but money talks, bullsh... Conservatives would betray their own mothers for cash. Let's grease some palms and get this show on the road.

[Robbien]

58. What is efficacy?

And why is it pale?

Your criticism would carry some weight and look better spread to right wing media sites if it would include correct terminology and use words which are spelled correctly.

[bacchant]

78. Always know your shot before you take it

efficacy

SYLLABICATION:
ef·fi·ca·cy

PRONUNCIATION:
AUDIO: f-k-s     KEY

NOUN:
Power or capacity to produce a desired effect; effectiveness.

ETYMOLOGY:
Latin efficcia, from efficx, efficc-, efficacious. See efficacious.

Casts a pale = a pale light, negative shadow


Thanks for straightening me out, dim bulb.

[Robbien]

93. Well, then good.

Hopefully the right wingers know what efficacy means as well as you when your post is added to their sites as evidence that the left does not like AirAmerica.

[apnu]

28. I support AAR, and i think people are scared

To lose what little we already have in AAR. When things get rough people get negative. Its a pretty common human trait if you look around.

I'm worried about AAR. I want it to succeed so badly. But I have concerns about what it make us liberals and democrats look like when a much touted business start up has problems (be they real or not) that damages any argument we make with the opposition. I'm afraid that it will make us look "silly" and even more people than now will just shut us out. That bothers me.

I'm a Chicago listener and it's been a very frustrating experience with the radio station. Granted I spend most of my listening time at work through Real Player, but used to listen it in the mornings and evenings at home. Now I can't because they only play Franken and Randi and the rest of the air time is old crappy music. Now, to listen, I have to haul out my laptop on my coffee table so my wife and I can listen together and discuss.

We Chicagoans had it, then lost it, then had it again, and have lost (much) of it again. That makes it very hard to continue to be a supporter.

As I said, I want to be a supporter/am a supporter. This on again and off again thing forces me to think twice about the network, and I don't want those thoughts. I'm ready to donate money to AAR if they need it (what little I have not already spent supporting other groups/causes/campaigns/sites)

I strongly believe that if AAR came clean about what's going on inside like many publicly traded companies... that act will take AAR a long way to appearing to be a legit company and not the perception of some "rich libruls playing with toys" as its often said about AAR.

We liberals must be taken seriously if we are going to enact any change. When we look like fools by our own hand it hurts us so much more than all the vile from Rush times 100.

Remember politics is perception, perception rules politics. Tarnish the perception and you can forget everything else. Its sad we live in such a world, but that's the reality.

[mzmolly]

35. Keep in mind. We have our share of wingnuts posing as *thinking* people.

They love to fan the flames.

Air America Radio is great and has my full support! I look forward to listening for MANY years to come!!!! :toast:

[LittleApple81]

37. Ditto. Ditto. Ditto. n/t

[mzmolly]

40. AIR AMERICA ADDING 15 MORE STATIONS IN MAY!!!

Coming Soon

San Francisco/San Jose KVVN 1400

San Francisco/Berkeley KVTO 1430

Sacramento, CA KSQR 1240

Colorado Springs, Co KBZC 1300

San Luis Obispo, CA KYNS 1340

Santa Cruz, CA KTEE

Santa Fe, NM KOOT 101.5

Anchorage, AK KUDO 1080

Honolulu KAOI 1110

Boulder, CO KBAC 610

Memphis, TN WMQM 1600

Reno, NV KXTO 1550

Northampton, MA WHMP 1400

Nashua, NH WSNH 900

Dish Network

http://airamericaradio.com/pub/resStations.htm

[TahitiNut]

45. Five of those are in the Larger Bay Area of California.

Gawd I miss being there!!

[xultar]

46. Adding stations only proves that they are in trouble and that they are

sinking rapidly. They are failing, miserably. Adding stations is just a cover for AARs failure.

Puhleez, don't try to interject LOGIC and proof...

[mzmolly]

87. Heh! Hey did you guys catch this?! "Dish Network"

is listed as one of the new stations. Does that mean that people who have "Dish Network" across the nation will be able to listen?

If so that's HUGE!!! :hi:

[NewJeffCT]

50. Damn! still no Connecticut

I get a poor signal out of NYC now, which is often drowned out by another 1190 out of who knows where?

[apnu]

51. which is all beautiful...

... but where is LA and Chicago? The 2nd and 3rd largest markets in the US? With out a strong foot print in 2 of the three biggest markets is going to hurt advertising sales.

I'm waiting with baited breath for an announcement about Chicago and LA. I live in Chicago, where WNTD is still broadcasting, but only broadcasting the programs that are on while I'm at work... Its weird there is a station here (well until April 30 that is) and yet I have to listen to the stream both at work and home.

Why can't a AAR rep tell us what's going on in LA and Chicago? Something other than "soon". WTF is going on?

[mzmolly]

85. More here...

Air America Radio and MultiCultural Radio Broadcasting Settle Chicago Dispute

Air America Radio is pleased to announce that it has settled its dispute with MultiCultural Radio Broadcasting with regard to WNTD AM in Chicago. As part of the settlement, Air America Radio will remain on WNTD until April 30, 2004. Listeners in Chicago should stay tuned to hear where they may find Air America Radio after April 30, 2004. Air America Radio also will announce shortly where Los Angeles listeners can tune in.

"We are pleased that we reached a negotiated settlement," said David Goodfriend, Executive Vice President and General Counsel of Air America Radio.

[apnu]

91. Oh I'm aware of that, but why is it the 28th today and...

... Unfiltered is not on the air and they are playing music until Franken comes on? This has been going on since Monday. WNTD will have content at 11 Central and will continue until Randi Rhodes' show ends.

[mzmolly]

96. I haven't a clue?!

Have you contacted the station?

[apnu]

99. many many many many times...

... phone is never picked up, and repeated emails to AAR have not had a response.

AAR is quickly slipping into a AM black-hole in Chicago and there is total silence about it!

[mzmolly]

102. Time to sign up for Dish Network...

;)

I sure hope they get this straightened out quick. In MN we have only the O'Franken Factor, I stream the rest...

[apnu]

109. I wish...

... but I can't afford the Dish, or XM. I don't have the room in my finances for yet another subscription for something.

I'm pondering the idea of putting a computer in my living room and turning it into a streaming radio. The one I have is quickly becoming useless.

[derby378]

57. We need AAR in Texas!

Five new stations in California is nice, but that's largely preaching to the choir. We need Air America on the AM in Austin (if nowhere else), San Antonio, Dallas/Fort Worth, Houston, and El Paso.

It's not as though the Dallas AM market is sewed up shut - a religious AM station (KSKY) recently jettisoned its morning preachers in favor of the likes of Laura Ingraham (gak!).

[NewJeffCT]

41. I wish them the best of luck

And, I look forward to them having a signal in Hartford, CT... I can pick up WLIB out of NYC when I'm in the car and on the highway, but not when I'm off the highway or indoors and streaming is, ahem, discouraged in cube-city where I work.

That said, I think Morning Sedition is decent and I think all 3 of them will grow with the show - they do seem a bit thrown together now. The chick from the UK has a nice voice.

I have not listened to the show between MS and Franken.

O'Franken seems to be finding its legs and is definitely better than it was when they started. But, big Al needs to do a better job debunking his dittohead buddy, who threw him for a loop on taxes one of the few times I listened to Franken. However, he needs time to find his 'radio legs'....but, has shown improvement.

Randi Rhodes seems terrific. Smart, good delivery, very well informed and a good sense of humor. You can tell she's been on radio for years. We need more like her.

I have not listened at night at all.

[lovedems]

47. Huge supporter here. My husband and I are talking about getting

satellite radio to support the cause. Right now we stream it.

I have faith and am patient. I think it will turn out. It is a baby and we need to give it time to grow and develop.

[xultar]

52. I'm getting Sirus just for AAR...XM is partly owned by Clear Channel

so don't go that route.

[lovedems]

77. Thanks. We were going to go the XM route but I am not going to give

a dime of my money to anything that has dealings with Clear Channel.

I am glad we haven't made our purchase yet. Thanks a bunch! :hi:

[mzmolly]

92. Looks like it's coming to Dish Network... !

Which would mean that people who have a dish can tune in me thinks?

[lovedems]

95. That would be a great idea! We don't have dish but some members

of my family do and they would tune in in a heartbeat!

I will give them the heads up, thanks! :)

[Az]

49. The why of Why liberal radio is hard conservative radio is easy

LCD. Lowest Common Denominator. Conservatives prey upon the LCD. They use commonly held misconceptions, appeals to misguided common sense, and a host of other populist tricks to lure the the LCD to their voice.

Liberal ideas depend on an understanding and appreciation of a complex diverse society. Furthermore because of its complexity not everyone agrees with the issues and priorities. Each group has their own agenda. Each group has its own fears and concerns.

The Capitalistic system favors LCD. The Corporate entity is a creation of this system thus it is entirely focused on not only controling the LCD but increasing its numbers and lowering its resistance. Air America is trying to make a commercially succesful radio station within this system. It has to package and distribute a complex ideology within a system that prefers to deliver simple ideas that do not increase the public's resistance to their manipulation.

[apnu]

56. good points all, but AAR's woes aren't getting listeners.

The listeners are here, and we are tuning in by droves. I don't believe that AAR's problems are LCD related, I think they lie elsewhere and I'd like to know what the problem exactly is.

As a fan of the station, I have a large emotional investment in this.

[xultar]

61. I have a large emotional investment as well n/t

[Az]

63. Its the business model and the advertisers

Who wants to advertise on a channel that teaches its listeners to think for themself and question claims of authority? The channel is against the very source of income they are dependent on.

[apnu]

81. Yeah I saw "How to get a head in advertising" as well.

I'm familiar with that concept. But we also know that this stuff sells, we also know that there are many advertisers who would be on the network. Eco-friendly companies, for example. And when McDonald's or Burger King wants to tout a new "healthy" menu item, they too will consider AAR.

Remember in business, money is green and it spends, and at the end of the day, businesses don't care one bit about politics if they have to choose between fulfilling their greedy desires or their political agenda. Multicultural is a good example of that. But it is also a good example of how puppet strings can be pulled. Its also an example of how the right will respond when in the harsh light of day, (the whole Liu double-dipping stations), which is to say: brutally.

[Maine-i-acs]

53. I love AAR - and it takes a year for a show to get off the ground.

I am so glad it showed up in the Portland (ME) market. I have been tuned in ever since. It's not going away until the neocons force it off the air through some underhanded movement. Even then it might resurface in one way or another.

Stern's ratings are through the roof since he went anti-Bush. I can't imagine that AAR suffers from low ratings. The station it replaced here only had about 1.2% of the market and was on the air for years.

[apnu]

59. I firmly believe that "underhanded movement" is underway as we speak n/t

[LittleApple81]

62. I agree. I am an AirAmerica fan and dislike the aspersions being

promulgated here. But we can fight them by LISTENING and coming up with our own conclusions.

[apnu]

76. I'm listening now...

My routine used to be:

Get up and put on AAR in the bathroom for a shower.

Listen to AAR while making/eating breakfast.

Go to work with iPod and wish I was listening to AAR.

At work put on AAR on Real Player until its quitting time

Go to school with iPod and wish I was listening to AAR, then go home.

Put on AAR at home until its time to go to bed and discuss issues with my wife.

Now my routine is:

AAR music in the moring, I'm in Chicago, and wonder WTF is going on.

Go to work.

Listen to AAR on Real Player

Go to school.

Go home and have AAR music and wonder WTF is going on in Chicago.

[corporatewhore]

65. some of us were expecting liberal not neoliberal radio but alas there is

always pacifica

[Selwynn]

75. Hard to call Randi Rhoses neoliberal

And I dont really think you can easily peg the majority report there either. So you must just be talking about Al. Yes, god forbid there me ONE more temperate show on the station.

[Az]

79. The expectations of liberals

Its easy being a conservative(relatively as they have their own set of problems). A conservative just has to touch on two key points. Trust god. Trust the free market. Cover those two bases and you got your audience locked.

Being a liberal is a bit more difficult. Take me for example. My key issues are Church State Seperation (note I even felt the need to capitalize them) and bringing the Corporate State Entity under control or dismantling it entirely. But then there are those that are focused on protecting the environment first. But what about those that are furious about the state of affairs on womens rights. Don't forget affirmative action and other minority based issues. Then there are those that are focused on gun issues, free speech, abortion, etc.

And here is the real big problem. For me, once you address my big items then my other issues ratchet into position. We all have our own list of problems and they are all ordered differently. We do not have a unified vision of the world. But it is that difference which brings us together. It is the acceptance that we each have our own vision that makes us liberal. It is the commonality of vision that makes conservatives what they are.

[xultar]

200. It is kinda like how Black Folks treat each other, there are levels of

Blackness to which one must aspire. If you don't meet the criteria then you're an OREO, Sell-out, blah blah blah

That is why we as a community never get ahead, we do the shooting in a circle, crabs in a bucket thing.

It is so awful, you'd think we'd learn after a while. But, nope, we continue to beat the crap outta each other while the others get over on us.

it is really SAD.

[mzmolly]

94. Whatever...

:eyes:

[corporatewhore]

104. oh come on al franken has even called him self a neoliberal

in his book rush limbaugh is a big fat idiot he says that clinton was the best prez of the 20th cent

[mzmolly]

173. I agree that Clinton was an amazing President.

And I grew up as poor as dirt, on welfare, a step-dad in the laborers union, I worked for the Wellstone campaign etc...

I'm typical Minnesota die hard liberal.

It's all a matter of perspective CW ... I enjoy AAR, I enjoy the Al Franken show. And, as you said... there is always Pacifica. ;)

[robbedvoter]

202. Yup. Pacifica - and remember to NOT VOTE

The "No difference" station - that did so much for us over the years it's even financed by THEM!

[madrchsod]

72. chicago is really bad

i could get 950 out here -100 miles west- which covers most hastret`s district..there isn`t another signal from chiago that reaches this far. 930am would be perfect but i doubt they can buy it from the "cristians". so that leaves no coverage in northern il,past the collar counties-and maybe not even them. if they want to become a force in radio they have to reach beyond the cities. the real strength of right wing radio is the little stations across the country and air america has no plans to counter that.

[linazelle]

90. You're right...I'm in Chicago too

I got the signal all the way to Michigan City, IN recently, too bad the signal doesn't reach far west. But I'm moving to Wisconsin soon and I guess I'll have to buy XM Radio. The unfortunate thing about that is, most people won't do that--they don't even know that a liberal station exists. I've been telling friends about 950 since March 31st and those I've told really like it, but unfortunately 950's history.

[apnu]

97. Chicago here as well

But *can't* listen to WNTD execpt in the mornings and late evenings. Its upsetting.

[Bjornsdotter]

178. McHenry County

Hi,

I can only get reception on and off in McHenry and Lake county. If I turn a corner it could be gone. I've decided to get Sirius satellite radio...then I won't have to worry what new station they get in Chicago.

Cheers,
Kim

[Selwynn]

73. From now on I'm hiding all bullshit AA threads-and just enjoying listening

I enjoy AA Radio. I enjoy the balance between the style of Al Franken and the style of Randi Rhodes, and love the Majority Report whenever I can catch it. I enjoy the formatting of all of it, and if it became "just like Rush" I would fucking turn off my goddamn radio so fast.

I'm done with these threads that turn into arguments bashing AA. It would be so great to see a little solidarity once in a while. But the bottom line is, I enjoy AA, and I'm tired of hearing so much negativity, so I'm excersing my topic veto power and axes all threads about whether AA is good or bad in the future.

So I say today... wait until I end up responding to another one.. :D

[LittleApple81]

82. I am joining you. This is really sad. We look at a gift horse in the

mouth.

[Q]

88. I listen to Air America all day long...

...as I do my work. They're doing a great job and I wish them well.

[MoonRiver]

108. Some of "us" are wingnuts.

When I begin a poll giving freeps a choice that supports *, I always get 5 or 6 picking it. I like to set these little traps to get a feel for the number of aliens around here. Many probably don't reply worrying their votes can somehow be tracked, but there's always a few who just can't resist. :D

[pezcore64]

110. well

i must say i find it all kinda boring. i think i liked IE America Radio better.
As far as Ed Shultz, the only thing him and Rush have in common is maybe their radio voice...as far as viewpoints tho.. id imagine he'd be pissed you compared him to Rush. lol.

What they really need over at AAR is Mike Malloy.
Come on people!
we want our malloy!

[Lindsey]

138. ...just waiting for it to come back on in L.A.

I loved it when I got it -Does anyone have information about what's happening in L.A.? When and what station?

[pezcore64]

175. i have no clue

dunno, havent heard anything about the LA station since it went off.

I listen to it on XM and the internet since I live in Kentucky.

[BigMcLargehuge]

126. I really like AAR

I hope they grow fast enough to achieve stability. I admit to being a little surprised at the change in the programing staff, but that's to be expected. Programming success is all about sponsors and advertisers. If the staff can't sell the shows then the network dies. Maybe the guys who left/were forced out couldn't effectively sell the shows.

But, I listen everyday, and I am sure many thousands/tens of thousands do, and if we keep listening and buy the products advertized, then they will succeed. If we kvetch and moan about the little things we don't like (for me, Randi Rhodes, spotty Internet broadcasts, and Franken's terrible comedy set pieces like the Queen's Drum Solo... ugh.) then we might as well start a sponsor boycott because it will have essentially the same effect.

Sure, I'd LOVE for them to sign Mike Malloy, but if he can't draw sponsors, or drives away potential advertisers, I'd sacrifice his welcome voice to keep Franken and the other shows on the air, even Randi Rhodes.

The whole thing comes down to money. AAR isn't on the air SOLELY to provide a counterpoint to the radio majority (RW morons), but to make money for the backers. They saw a market in liberal radio and thought they could make money, so they went for it. Good for them, and good for us.

If you don't like it, don't listen. If you do, listen, and write them and tell them, and tell their sponsors with your money. That is what will keep AAR on the air.

[West Coast Democrat]

131. I don't know.....I love Air America

I try to listen to it whenever I'm at home or in the car. I often catch the reruns from earlier in the week when I'm working out in my garden during the weekend.

In Portland we get the Ed Schultz Show on Air America, and I would love if he were added to the national line up.

[Bjornsdotter]

163. I disagree...

Hi,

I brought up Cafferty, his reaction to Air America and their recent administration problems. It was in no way a slam against Air America, rather a post about how angry I was at Cafferty.

Personally I think we should be able to discuss what we feel about Air America or anything else we see/hear that strikes a cord with us....if we can't do it here where can we do it? Also I have found int the short time I've been here....there is someone out there who feels the same way I do.

As we speak, I'm in the process of getting satellite radio (Sirius) so that I can continue to listen to Air America in the the Chicago area. As I have said before the reception from the Chgo station is crap. If that's not support I'm really not sure what is....

Cheers,
Kim:)

[xultar]

186. I wasn't necessarily referring to your thread on Cafferty, mostly

the posts responding to your thread. The closet Freepers don't always start threads. They infest threads from within.

[robbedvoter]

166. AAR is my lifeline! Addicted to Randi! They are kicking a*

There are a few DU-ers who, either are Pacifica followers or have other bizzare agendas that spice threads on AAR's fate. And your usual freepers latching on.
The rest 99.99% of us just love it!
No time to read about it - too busy listening.

[xultar]

197. I didn't like Randi the first time I listened b4 she was on AAR, after

a week though I was hooked. I was so sad when she took the 2 weeks off before AAR launched.

I love RANDI!

I didn't like Unfiltered at first either.... NOW I LOVE Unfiltered!!!

I liked AL but it was a take it or leave it, NOW I LOVE AL!

I don't listen when I get home in the evenings and on my AM drive cuz we don't have it here in GA.

I am however considering Sirus for my home and my new car...sometime in July. So....then I'll get to love them ALL!

[tom_paine]

177. Well said, xultar!

:toast:

[xultar]

195. Awwwwwww...

[robbedvoter]

180. Hexola dear, the dittohead/Colmes spot is filled - your audition -

unnecessary! I see now the need for this thread.
NPR? They fired Bob Edwards for saying Clear channel is w Bush friendly monopoly. It was a miracle that my voice, the voice of the majority in this country made it on the airwaves. Sorry if we inconvenience you, dear. Go back to your humarous (sic) conservatives, and PLEASE, let us alone with out "spin"
As for Pacifica (Democracy Now) - it's been a consistent enemy of the democrats - and also Democracy (let me know when the word "Vote" is uttered there).
I both listen to my radio and stream it - for more ratings value, and so should you, if you get it on the radio.
Hexola dear, I haven't heard your opinions on Randi - forget it - not really interested.

[xultar]

187. If someone posts long enough they forget & start to bust their cover

how funny. I was literally cracking up reading through the posts. You'd have to be blind, deaf, and 1/2 dead not to the real deal.

[West Coast Democrat]

191. Why is he still here?

[mouse7]

192. I have no idea.

The mods aren't answering when paged to obvious problems today.

[xultar]

194. They haven't done enough to warrant a tombstone. Don't worry, they

always get the boot. :evilgrin:

[DS1]

196. We complain about everything, all the time, it never stops

See? I'm complaining now! I've complained about people on DU complaining about Air America and how useless it is to sit around here and complain about there, instead of directing suggestions and alternatives there and seeing if they take effect here.
Maybe we should set up complaint departments for things DU has no control over, I mean, we wouldn't want to silence any voices now. There's much much more important stuff to be discussed here, and if you don't like that, well you can complain about me but whatever you do don't call me a bitch.

:hi:

[xultar]

198. YO BIEEATCH! tee hee hee n/t

[robbedvoter]

199. read the thread - it was very needed- a freeper head's exploded

I posted an answer not unlike yours, then I read all the posts and understood what a trigger the subject is for freepers!
Xultar was not talking about the occasional debate about this show and the other. There was a thread where many were jumping on AAR's grave. It was quite disconcerting - but some of them blew their cover here.

[xultar]

201. We should probably schedule a few Freeper Busting MOABS posts just to

clear the decks every so often. Then, I'll be able to post in peace. That is, until the Freepers sneak through the force field again.