WHICH FREEPER TALKING POINT IS THE WORST YOU'VE HEARD?

[Failure]

and how did you overcome it?

[phillybri]

1. Democrats are pussies....

I overcame it by kicking said freeper's ass!

:evilgrin:

[Failure]

2. well done...nt

[wryter2000]

4. LMAO

Either they're telling us we're wusses, or they accuse us of being full of hate.

[RobertSeattle]

3. How about a whole list?

Here's my running list of basically unprovable assertions, when X is any politcal opponent.

X thinks they can get away with anything.
X will say or do anything to get elected.
X makes decisions based on emotion.
X is in the pocket of special interests.
X only cares about power.
X is unpatriotic.
X is arrogant.
X changes all the time.
X is supported by stupid (or child-like, or uninformed) people
X wastes tax money.
X plays politics.
X relies on propoganda.
X has an agenda.
X only listens to polls.
X doesn't stand for anything.
X only thinks about himself.
X isn't a serious person.
X has no moral compass.
X has no substance.
X is a radical/extemist.
X is loyal to no one.
X can't be reasoned with.
X is constantly reinventing himself.
X is out of the mainstream.
X relies on slogans.
X can't stop lying.
X puts party before country.

[wryter2000]

7. Hmmm

Do they know they just described Whistle Ass and his bunch?

[Failure]

8. X stands for Shrub right? am i missing something?

[RobertSeattle]

10. Well I would certainly agree

But partisans on any side will "fill in the X" on anybody they want. Whenever I hear any of these type of assertions I know somone is blowing smoke unless it is immediately backed up with facts.

[Failure]

18. I guess it is a good thing that WE ARE IN CONTROL OF THE FACTS!!!

[bryant69]

5. One that's got me Dumsquizzled

Is a friend who's not a freeper but listens to them (he's more of a traditional conservative) who suggested that conservatives are concerned that Kerry is really angry and hence unstable.

I countered it by comparing it to all the other things freepers have said, particularly about how he has no personality and no passion. He said, jokingly, "Well he has no emotion until he talks about Bush and then he gets really angry. He's manic depressive." But he admitted how ridiculous an argument that was.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[tandot]

6. Kerry is a flip-flopper...because that is essentially what Bush is doing

all the time (way more than Kerry). But Bush never gets called on it.

Bush and his supporters are all hypocrites

[Jeezwhiz]

32. Called on it.

Yeah, they never call Bush on anything. Kerry really flubbed that SUV question; he needs to be more carefull, they jumped all over him for it.

[blm]

9. "Clinton murdered innocent people at Ruby Ridge and Waco."

Freepers cannot read calendars.


Ruby Ridge happened in 1991 and Waco was a FOUR YEAR INVESTIGATION that Bush1's ATF wanted to conclude BEFORE Clinton's people took over. Clinton was in office a few weeks when the ATF decided to conclude their assignment.

It was those ATF who had been working the investigation for FOUR YEARS who told Reno they had all the evidence they needed. Was Reno even unpacked at the time?

The same people who say you can't blame Bush for 9-11 because he had only been in office for 8 MONTHS blame Clinton for Waco when he had been in office for a few weeks.

How I handle it? Advice to the morons...."Learn how to read and comprehend calendars."

[Failure]

14. the accountability people don't know who's accountable...f*ckers

[Ganja Ninja]

11. "Bill Clinton Didn't do enough to stop terrorism."

Amazing how they have collectively forgotten the Wag the Dog talking point of only a few years ago.

[Failure]

16. I think we can all agree Freeps have VERY short memories...n/t

[Skittles]

12. "WE TOOK THE WAR ON TERRORISM TO IRAQ"

I bet the Iraqi children appreciate that. :puke:

[Failure]

39. We took it away from the Terrorists to Iraq...nt

[cspiguy]

13. Bush talks like most ordinary people do so don't criticize his Bushisms.

If that were a good way to run a country, we should have some Al Sharpton run for Pres. Oh geez - I forgot, he IS running.

[Failure]

19. English is my wife's 4th language...and she HATES to hear him talk

she thinks he's just a plain idiot. You should hear her speak, sounds like Shakespear compared to shrub.

[LynzM]

29. Wow!

What else does she speak?

[Failure]

37. Estonian, Russian, German,-a little Finnish...

She's funny, when she hears * talk, she gets so mad, "What's this fucker, why can't he talk right" -you have to imagine it with a cute eastern-european accent. lol

[LynzM]

58. ROFL

What's Estonian sound like? I love languages, will have to check that out...

I can imagine it in a little german accent, as I spent 9 months living there... Ah, how I miss Europe sometimes!

[Failure]

62. sounds like a cross between russian and finnish...

What I really get her on is that Estonia is a part of the "Coalition" And they sent like 10 guys over there. Columbus OH has more people than Estonia has.

[doni_georgia]

75. How the hell do you spell this in English - boja moi! . . .

Followed by a slap to the head. I know what your wife means.

[truthspeaker]

15. "We're fighting the ideology of terrorism." to justify invading Iraq

Interestingly, a month after I saw a freeper use it on Christian Forums Bush used it in a press conference.

[Failure]

21. Oh, that means, we're "creating, and inflaming" the ideology of terror..nt

[ulTRAX]

41. Bush's Policies Are Creating MORE Anti-US Hatred

The TRUE enemy in the war against terror is the dynamic that creates more hatred against the US.

The US is, as usual, oblivious to its own role in the conflict. Now that there's no WMDs... Bush claims invading an Arab nation to create a "democracy" will cause it to spread though out the Arab world. He believes THAT is the ultimate cure for terrorism.

But Bush is only following in the footsteps of the arrogant US policies that set the stage for Bin Laden. The US installed the murderous Shah of Iran.... leading to the anti-US theocracy in Iran. After we abandoned Afghanistan, and it slipped into chaos, Iran became the model for the Taliban. The US helped the Ba'athists in Iraq come to power and helped Saddam fight Iran. Now, rather than repudiate these polices, Bush continues them by invading a SECOND Arab nation... a nation that the Arab world knew posed no threat to US.

While I agree that the mid-east nations would benefit from secular democracy... Bush's policies can can only instill more hatred against the US than if he tried to pressure our FRIENDS into becoming those new democracies. Bush has guaranteed more terrorism for the next generation.

[Failure]

45. * is doing exactly what UBL told his followers the US would do...

thus...we've played right into his hands.

[ulTRAX]

17. deficits/debt don't matter

Great topic:

The on/off budget concept are too confusing. Someone needs to get out there, Ross Perot style, and explain how this works.... and why unified budget figures are NOT honest since the conceal the true size of the deficit.

The budget numbers, themselves, are too abstract. A million, a billion, a trillion.... the eyes of Joe Sixpack glaze over. Again... these numbers are shocking if one can relate them to real life. In other posts I've suggested basing an ad campaign on the debt/deficits.... and how much money is pissed away on interest... using this approach: http://www.crunchweb.net/87billion/

[Failure]

24. It's kinda funny how the things that "don't matter" are usually

created by RW garbage. deficits, iran contra, phoney war justifications...

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

20. "Clinton was offered Bin Laden THREE TIMES"

Total bull. It's been debunked, even by the 9-11 commission, I believe.

And then later on in the conversation they say "If Bush killed Bin Laden, it wouldn't stop the terrorists."

:mad:

[Failure]

25. The second part of your post may be

the only truthful thing to come outta freep's hole: It really wouldn't matter if we killed UBL...and that's bush's fault because he let al-qaida grow into the monster it is now. Anything we do now to UBL will make him a martyr

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

31. I know, I've got a soon to be ex-friend who keeps bringing that up...

Even though I've brought enough articles and comments from testifiers to the 9-11 commission to debunk his entire theory that 9-11 was "all Clinton's fault".

[Failure]

36. lol@ ex-friend...but seriously...if 911 had happened

on Clinton's watch...that's EXACTLY what they'd be saying right now..."happened on his watch" he was asleep at the switch. Can't trust him...

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

42. But they're still saying that...among other things...

"Bush was in office for only 200-some odd days! How can you expect him to get anything in place?"
Hello? 200 some odd days? That's almost two thirds of a year!
Like I said, I told him that if he keeps on expecting debate with me and then completely ignores any FACTS I bring to the debate floor, then I'm gonna flip him the bird and tell him to go fornicate himself. I am DONE with my conservative friends.

[Failure]

46. Well, In *'s defense, he wasn't there the WHOLE 233 days...

He was on Vacation for 30 of them.

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

50. Oh, yeah. Silly me.

I forgot. "But...but...it was a WORKING vacation!!!"

[Failure]

63. yu spelt that rong...it's werkin'...n/t

[Qutzupalotl]

77. So if it happened on Sept. 11, 1993,

we could blame G.H.W. Bush?

[stellanoir]

22. this might not be the worst but

it seems to have permeated public opinion thanks to the * 40 million * has blown on ads saying it. . .

And I heard Sen (?) Hayworth saying it adamantly this morning on the radio. . .

"Kerry says one thing one day and another the next. . ."

I thought, "yeah well you prefer someone who repeats the same five statements incessantly. . ."

"They hate us for our freedoms."

"Making the world a safer place."

"Sadaam was a bad man."

"The war on terror. . ."

"had WMD's and used them on his own people."
________________________________________

"and how did you overcome it?"

I haven't.

[Failure]

26. That exposes their small-mindedness and utter lack of capacity

to examine the complexity of certain issues, and revisit them from time to time to keep yourself honest...but we all know honesty is not part of the freeper credo...

[doni_georgia]

76. My dad's old standby - Pinko Commies - Tax and spend, tax and spend

that's all they do. I replied back with, "Well, at least we 'pinko commies' tax and spend - beats the hell out of the borrow and spend policies of your president~!"

[booley]

23. All taxed money is stolen money

there have been so many but this point has come up a few times.

To which I simply reply that if all the money that the government has they first had to steal then that makes the freeper an accessory sinced they drive on roads built uisng that stolen money, send ther kids to schools built and run using that stolen money, rely on police and fireman who are paid with stolen money...

Admitedly , I get the REALLY stupid freepers.

As for Kerry, right now I seem to be running into freepers going on about Kerry not getting hurt and throwing his medals (or claiming he lied becuase he actually threw ribbons)

Which is easy to refute. I ask them how much shrapnel does Shrub have in his body (kerry still has some in his leg if i recall) and that if Cheney and Shrub had actually been in the military, they would have known that ribons are medals. (I then bring up my own navy career)

but thats so easy.

[Failure]

28. I started this: "The Closest thing * had to a ribbon on his chest was a..

Pabst Blue Ribbon.

edited for spelling.

[Jeezwhiz]

27. Talking Points

"WHICH FREEPER TALKING POINT IS THE WORST YOU'VE HEARD?"


"Global Warming doesn't exist" - freepers point is that the trending of global warming is less than a nano second on the time continuum and therefor statistically not provable. I say tell that to people whose homes are sinking into the sea world-wide.

[Failure]

30. That sounds awful scientific...aren't freeps creationists?

Can't they justify it by saying God is happy with our killing and is shining additional love and warmth on us?

[Nadienne]

61. Ah, yes, and also

that Global Warming is just a scare tactic invented by tree huggers and industry haters that want you to donate money to them.

Overcome by: "'Tree huggers' and 'Industry haters' advocate responsibility. Industry seems to favor irresponsibility; it seems they think it saves them money."

[Failure]

64. Isn't Personal Responsibility a core conservative principle? n/t

[Nadienne]

66. You would think so.

But, apparently not if it costs them money. :)

[fourfoot]

68. Global Cooling

I thought the latest was that the globe was cooling caused by global warming. I don't know its all too confusing for me.

[texastoast]

72. Welcome fourfoot

Global warming causes severe weather changes, some cold, some hot, some violent. The main point is that on average, the temperature of the planet increases. The point that stupid freepers can't get is that "average" term. The "average" is warmer.

The average is evaluated by collecting data throughout the world. Specific thermometers are in place and data is collected and analyzed. Not only is temperature evaluated, but also, as one example, the falling of leaves in forests as it happens now, compared to core samples of of the geological record of previous seasons and gaseous changes produced by decay from one year to the next in the same forest (e.g.).

The average temperature in Alaska has increased by 5 degrees in the last 50 years. The ice melt in Alaska begins weeks earlier than it did 50 years ago.

But you needn't try to confuse freepers with facts.

[Butterflies]

33. That the * admin brought honor and integrity back to the WH

and the story of the trashing of the WH by the Clinton admin infuriated me.

[Failure]

35. Their Honor-LIES Their integrity-Lying about LIES-nt

[Failure]

34. He "liberated 25 million people"

I love this one, considering the new "govt" will not be able to actually "govern" and won't be able to make laws...gotta love that american style liberty!

[terrya]

38. Gay marriage threatens the "sancitity of marriage". I overcame it...

because it's a stupid pile of horseshit that exists in the minds of idiotic, knuckle dragging, drooling, slope-headed, neandethal, bible loving pinheads.

[Failure]

40. American Anthropological Association for future refrence is a good

place to find the real facts about what "true marriage" means and doesn't mean...


http://www.aaanet.org/


Anthropologists debunk ‘traditional marriage’ claim
Group claims Bush’s arguments don’t reflect history

[terrya]

44. Thank you. I'll check this out.

Looks like it might be informative.

[Failure]

49. There's an old joke: Republicans cherish the sanctity of marriage so

much...they do it over, and over, and over again. eom

[Skittles]

71. I like this one:

"Gays do not threaten the sancity of my marriage; the women who sleep with my husband do."

[Selwynn]

43. WHY MUST YOU USE ALL CAPITAL LETTERS FOR YOUR THREAD?

and how is that not supposed to be really annoying?

[Failure]

47. sorry. nt

[ulTRAX]

48. What's REALLY annoying.....

Is the message all in caps?

What's REALLY annoying..... are people who think the world revolves around their pet annoyances.

[Selwynn]

65. Yes! I hate people like that! Man, they suck!

[Hubert Flottz]

51. Conspiracy Nuts!

Bush Plotted to invade Iraq for three years!
Jeb Bush and his family plotted to steal the election in 2000!
ENRON plotted to steal people blind!
Reagan Plotted to arm Saddam!
Debold is plotting to steal yet another election!
Tucker, Wolf and Bob are plotting to polish a turd!
So Many Conspiracies So Little Time!

[indigo32]

52. this sig line I've seen on several freep typ boards

Work Harder - Millions on welfare are depending on you.

[LDS Jock]

54. OMG.. I havent seen that, but I don't go there

I'm familiar with the type of people who would put that on there though. The same religious reich people who seem confused when you remind them Jesus preached of taking care of the less fortunate.

[Bandit]

53. Do you have to shout

There is a key on your keyboard that will release all the capital letters. It is against the rules also by the way. It is how Freepers communicate.

[chopper]

55. here's one..

"we want to shrink the government small enough to drown in the bathtub"

what they really mean is "small enough to fit inside your bedroom"

[Failure]

59. I know they say that while enjoying all the wonderful programs

* has underfunded.

[Sabriel]

56. "They hate us for our freedoms"

"They" won't be hating us for our "freedoms" too much longer, seeing as how the the current administration seems intent on doing away with a bunch of them (free speech, right to assemble peacefully, equal rights, etc.).

And when this mindless, glassy-eyed, drool-filled talking point comes up, I'm happy to enumerate for the speaker all the REAL things "they" "hate" "us" for.

[Failure]

60. switch "freedom" with "arrogance" and it's right. n/t

[DemonFighterLives]

57. 80,000 could be dead in Jordan

I don't know where this has been discussed here. Just so happens this story ties every Freeping thing together nicely. Terrorists, WMD's, Al Quaeda trained in Afghanistan and big ties to Iraq, oh and Syria. Something sure smells fishy about that averted disaster. Can someone help me?

[ulTRAX]

67. it's been in the news....

Though I heard that maybe 20,000 could have been affected if the plan went though. Nightline did a story on it Tuesday. What I find very suspicious is that the mastermind was so willing to talk about the planning.

[DemonFighterLives]

70. Thank You!

The story that I read had all the pieces fitting neatly together. I'll have to read more on it.

[wadestock]

69. Tax breaks work.....

Freeper
Tax breaks work

Counter
It's simple math. When you give tax breaks to the rich they don't trickle down to the middle and lower. Historically it doesn't happen, and in modern times the only time that middle class assets increased was after Clinton reversed the Reagan tax givaway to the rich (highest ever of any industrialized nation).

The other interesting inherent reality is the fact that if you give everyone in our large variation of wealth in this nation an EQUAL percentage tax break...(which the republicons don't even endorse which would be the fairest in a certain sense)....do you think that it benefits all classes the same "percent"????

Answer....in a capitalistic system...those at the top with money will have the greatest advantage in making MORE money....so a continual review of the progressive tax system MUST be made in order to avoid money continually flowing to the top.

[csw77]

73. GW loves military families...

"I do know that he has PROVEN to do right by the military...He makes sure they have good health insurance, good war equipment, and he makes sure their children are well taken care of. Clinton HATES military families!"

:eyes:

[rumguy]

74. "the last gasp of a dying ideology"

they got that from their angry white man radio...and they love saying it, not so much anymore though...hehe

really, they are the dying ideology! as they will find out very soon.

[11bravo1986]

78. Horseface

Did he throw medals or ribbons?
Horseface
Flip-flops (well you would too after finding out that you were lied to)
Horseface
Doesn't support military by voting against the 87b after voting for it. (They fail to mention he only reneged his vote after learning that the majority of the funding would be for Cheney's Haliburton company)
Horseface
One of his purple hearts was for a scratch. (And exactly how many purple hearts did * win again?)
Horseface

Unfortunately I listen to all the right wing talk shows on my to and from work. I usually get a chuckle and cheer when someone with knowledge calls in to set the record straight on the villainous * admin.
All day long they talk about the way he looks, flip-flops, and other absolutely meaningless issues.

Just today Hannity was talking about how Kerry doesn't want to talk about his record because he would be buried. Funny how when you point a finger at someone there are three more pointing back at you. Isn't obvious that * entire campaign is about attacking Kerry, I haven't seen one ad that depicts how he has actually helped the American people.