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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 11:51 AM
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Does the U.S. Gov. have the right to hold Citizens indefinately (MSNBC?)
Question of the day . Vote and email your comments please .
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3096434/
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 11:54 AM
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1. As of now...
Does the U.S. have the right to hold American citizens suspected of terror indefinitely? * 2634 responses


Yes
33%

No
67%
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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 12:00 PM
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3. The 33% that said yes...
...should go volunteer to go to Iraq or get locked up, just in case. After all, being so willing to sacrifice liberty for safety, they should be the first to lose both.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 12:27 PM
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9. Wait a minute. With the Patriot Act in effect, the correct answer is YES.
The gummint DOES have the right to detain US citizens indefinitely.

:shrug:
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 04:42 PM
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13. I concur. n/t
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 11:56 AM
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2. done
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 12:06 PM
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4. 34% of people responding feel fascism is fine and the constitution is
a meaningless piece of paper. These are Republicans. This is their base. Anything the government says is fine with them. Never ever question authority. How low America has sunk. Our forefathers who founded this country would be horrified.
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Mandate My Ass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 12:15 PM
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6. Unbelievable isn't it?
I wonder how many of that 34% would agree to the elimination of due process if it was a Dem in the WH.
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markdd Donating Member (304 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 12:12 PM
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5. done n/t
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 12:16 PM
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7. done
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Gothmog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 12:25 PM
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8. done
65% no. I am afraid that 35% think that this is okay.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 12:29 PM
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10. the question isn't SHOULD the government have the right . . .
to which, the only legitmate response is NO.

The question is DOES the government have the right. With the Patriot Act in place, the government DOES, infact, have the right to detain citizens indefinitely. That's the frigging PROBLEM with the Patriot Act in a nutshell.
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 12:32 PM
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11. the constitution should trump that
unless there is an amendment to the constitution, which there isn't.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 02:03 PM
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12. and with the Scalia gang running things in SCOTUS-land
what use is having a Constitution?

:shrug:
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PaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 09:26 PM
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14. They've wiped their butts w/ it..
wonder how much THEY pocketed!? Remember that hunting trip...bet there's been a LOT more trips that the people are unaware of..
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 10:24 PM
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25. actually, Bush is claiming that the vote for the War in Afghanistan
Actually, Bush is claiming that the vote for the War in Afghanistan gives him the right to imprison any one of indefinitely without charges, not the Patriot Act.
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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 09:32 PM
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15. done. n/t
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x-g.o.p.er Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 09:33 PM
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16. Hell no!!
They are American citizens. How sad that 33% think it is acceptable.

Scary, actually.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 09:46 PM
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 09:48 PM
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18. They could start with you
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 09:57 PM
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 10:12 PM
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24. Do you honestly believe ...
that one man ... and only one man ... should decide what's in the nation's best interests? That's not how Democracies work and don't say "things have changed since 9/11" because if we're going to completely dismantle the Constitution and everything this country stands for, than the terrorists have already won - there's nothing left to protect; there's nothing left to fight for.

I'm so fed up with the "Let's destroy our way of life so we can prevent the terrorists from destroying it" mentality - it's absolutely ridiculous! You're willing to sacrifice American ideals in order to "save" the country, but without those ideals, our country isn't worth a damn thing!

As far as you not being a terrorist --- under the Patriot Act, anyone who speaks out against the government could be defined as a terrorist. They're not enforcing that particular provision ... yet. You may be happy with Bush* now, but you'd better hope and pray you stay happy because if you don't and you decide to speak out against him, you may very well end up being detained indefinitely as an enemy combatant simply because Bush* said you are ... and no one will be able to help you. You won't have any rights. You won't know what you're being charged with, you won't get talk to a lawyer, you won't get to see your family ... you'll just disappear into a black hole. Isn't that exactly the way things were in the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany and Iraq? Is that the kind of America you want to live in?



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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 09:51 PM
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19. 67% No and here is my email--
"If we can hold citizens indefinitely, first we need to burn the constitution and the Bill of Rights. Anybody remember those old documents we have lying around Washington gathering dust?"
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NuttyFluffers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 10:06 PM
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22. oh god, i went off.
not only did i say no, i was absolutely so livid i had to leave a furious response to MSNBC. the gall to even ask such a question? i equated approving this nonsense with lighting our constitution on fire, spitting on the graves of our forefathers, and reversing our nation into the complete antithesis of what we stood for. Utterly shameful that they even had to ask such a question. Where is our education system to innoculate us from such profound stupidity?

AAGGGHHH!:argh:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-28-04 10:11 PM
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23. Wit-cha all the way n/t
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Art_from_Ark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 12:59 AM
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26. No freakin' way
What's next? A poll asking if Hitler wasn't such a bad guy after all? No doubt at least 40% would answer that he wasn't so bad
:puke:
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AbbeyRoad Donating Member (848 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-29-04 01:04 AM
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27. This question shouldn't even have to be asked..
unless the Constitution is now obsolete.

If I have to answer, then I say "No!"
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