CNN, Frum and Dean with Wolfie, right now!

[anarchy1999]

n/t

[proud patriot]

1. It's over ..shoot

only caught the last few words from frum ..

hee hee from frum :crazy:

[quinnox]

2. Saw it

Blitzer and the former Bush flunkie tag teaming on Dean.

[napi21]

3. That's twice Dean has been on in the last 2 days. I hope

to see more of him! He's a very rational and convincing comunicator and is a big help in fighting against this Admin!

[KoKo]

4. Dean got out there that Gen Franks said another Terror Attack Could Shred

the Constitution! He got it in at the end of the discussion. And said that's what he's most worried about. Frum was "twitching" at some points Dean made, when he wasn't "smirking like the Chimp" that is.

Dean sees this Administration as the looming neo-Facism that we do! How many folks "behind the scenes" does Dean speak for? That's the question.

[liarliartieonfire]

6. millions

Dean has seen through to the core of bushco from day one.
He has made no bones about what he believes.

I admire his Paul Wellstone-esq fighting spirit.

He has lent his voice to that of milions .

I hope John Kerry offers Dean a place in D.c.

[pezcore64]

15. Well

I love Howard Dean, A lil less after his comments about Isreal/Palistine lately, but I still love the Doc none the less.
heh

I hihgly doubt kerry would give him much, but you never know. Could explain why Dean has kinda backed of some of the things he said during his primary campaign(such as the pal/isreal comments)tho.

I dunno, I just feel uncomfortable with Kerry as our nominee. Im definitely going to give him my vote, but I like others will be doing so simply based on the dislike for the administration. They better be thinking ahead and to how they go about keeping all of us when it comes time for 2008 and the his re-election.

[liarliartieonfire]

22. John or Doc Howard?

We gotta start labelling our Deans.
I didn't see Wolfie's show.

regardless: I meant what I posted..about Doc Howard.

[emulatorloo]

34. You and Me Both! N/t

[madfloridian]

9. John or Howard?

.

[bobbieinok]

19. from comments here, it seems - John of Watergate

[AG78]

5. Unreal

Frum saying this government is whistle clean. I had to stand up, yell, because I didn't want to break anything.

Wolf and Frum saying in response to Dean talking about a grand jury investigation, that it's only one investigation, that little Plame story.

I give up. This country is beyond help. Our species is done. The whole freaking government is just so corrupt. I can't take it anymore.

If people didn't buy the crap guys like Frum say, guys like Frum wouldn't say what they say. Next time I see anyone who actually agrees with people like Frum, I am going to kick the crap out of them. Well, probably not(not a violent person), but it's just so frustrating.

Whistle clean. Pure. A virgin administration.

Maybe my head will explode. Hopefully my head will explode.

[Canadian_moderate]

7. David Frum is as asshole

I cannot stand the guy.

For those of you who don't know, he's a Canadian and his mother is the late Barbare Frum, who worked as a news anchor for CBC.

She must be turning in her grave about her neo-con son without a soul.

[glarius]

12. I was just going to post ...I heard him on CBC admit to a reporter that he

now has dual citizenship...I'm sick of him coming up here periodically and lecturing us on how we should be trying to get along with the Bush administration....He's nothing but a pathetic little boot-licking rat.

[MuseRider]

18. My jaw dropped

and my husbands head started to spin! That was an unimaginable statement, even from Frum.

Don't give up. Stay here with us, we got lots of work to do.

[anarchy1999]

8. Has anyone else noticed Wolf always lets the right wing have last word?

n/t

[mzmolly]

28. I sure have...

:grr:

[glarius]

29. Wolfie often brings up points in favour of Bush that the right wing guest

has forgotten, too....I've seen him do this many times...If he has a Dem and a Repub debating, he will throw in something the Republican has not mentioned, that helps Bush....I've NEVER seen him do that in favour of a Democrat....

[glarius]

10. Little David is working overtime to get back in the good graces of the

Bushies since he was fired as a speech writer...I think he was really stung by their dismissal of his book. I find it incredible that this twitching, blinking little rat could convince the public when he says "this administration is the cleanest since Eisenhower."...Compare his demeanor to the steady, clear-eyed conviction of John Dean....

[JPJones]

11. Summary

John Dean: Nobody died because of Watergate. The whole misleading of the Amer. people and the Congress. The delibrate violation of the resolution that he asked for. He was asked to give a determination within 48 hours of invasion, he sent up the most dubious document, it's almost a purely fraudulent document.

Frum: This is the cleanest administration since President Eisenhower. Personal integrity, the absence of impropriety (uh hum, lying to Congress, Plame) and financial gain (uh uhm, Halliburton, Energy policy, environmental policies). This is a clean government (uh hum, this is a leak-free government).

Dean: Mentions Tommy Franks and the shredding of the Constitution.

Sadly, Frum the liar won the debate.

[glarius]

13. I wouldn't say Frum won....he just got in the last word thanks to Wolfie!

:)

[JPJones]

14. Neocons win if it is a tie, because the Prez is...

perceived as a Godly man. We only win if it is a blowout.

[Canadian_moderate]

16. CNN is trying to win back viewers

who left for FoxNews.

To be fair to them, to do try to show both sides. I'm all for that. People should be smart enough to sort through info and form their own opinion.

Anything other that is just propaganda and LW proganda is not much better than RW propaganda.

[Robbien]

20. When they let the right wing have both the first and last word

that is right wing propaganda.

Being fair means you give both sides equal time. CNN does not do that especially when their news moderators always side with the right wingers. CNN slants far right in order to try and entice Fox viewers and keep on the good side of BushCo.

[Canadian_moderate]

23. obviously someone has to have the last word

this time it was Frum.

I don't see CNN as RW the way you do. I think it is one of the more balance news/entertainment sources.

They have a good cast of liberal and conservatives. I don't even mind some of their conservatives. Cafferty is just a crusty old man and I kind of link what Lou Dobbs is doing giving it to corporate America.

Carville and Begala beats the crap out of Carlson and Novak most of the time.

Anyone who thinks CNN is not centrist tends to be pretty extreme left or rightwing.

[glarius]

25. Are you serious about Carville and Begala?

Carville, well-meaning as he is, is often not understandable and Begala allows Tucker Carlson to say what he wants and mostly just LAUGHS!....Crossfire is just crossyelling....Lou Dobbs I agree with you on...Since the days of Ted Turner owning CNN, they have gone more and more to the right....

[gulfcoastliberal]

27. Agree!

CNN was internationally recognized as an honest broker of real news when Ted captained the ship. Now, it's just another cog in the reich-wing propaganda machine. Sad how quickly their quality plummeted.

[maggrwaggr]

30. You keep harping on this! If you can't see that Wolfie is a RWer

then I honestly don't know what you're doing on this board!

Unless it's to disrupt.

[anarchy1999]

32. I think I'll go with disruptor, could be wrong, .... I think not.

n/t

[Canadian_moderate]

33. I'm not disrupting, I'm...

simply expression an opinion that varies from yours. I'm a moderate. I hate Bush, but I also hate extremists on the left.

What you guys are looking for is a propaganda news channel. I have news for you, propaganda is not news. People need to be informed of all issues and all opinion, not just yours, and then they can make up their own minds.

WTF, is no dissent allowed on DU? I thought you guys were not as totalitarian as the right-wing?

[glarius]

35. If you've REALLY been watching CNN how can you call them moderate?

From the first all news network, respected for it's honesty and fairness, under Ted Turner, CNN has become another cheerleader for Bush....Not quite as obvious as FOX, but still definitely pro Bush....You don't have to watch them very long to find that out.

[trumad]

38. Nah..you're not a disruptor, you're just misinformed.

You ever watch Cafferty in the morning?...Probably not... You ever watch Zahn in the evenings??? Probably not! You ever wonder why CNN got a call from the White House asking them to report Yawning Boy was an Edit from the Dave Lettermans folks, and they did just that? Only to lie about it later and try to cover the White House involvement?

And last but not least...WOLF...If you can tell me that Wolfie is fair and balanced, then that proves to me that you're misninformed and really not a student of the great art of Media Ho'dum!

[Canadian_moderate]

39. Cafferty is just a crusty old character

who likes to make conservative comments while Soledad and Bill normally just laugh at the guy for his outrageous comments. He more comic relief than anything else. You guys take him too serious

I hardly ever watch Wolf. I do watch Anderson 360, Cross Fire and some of the other shows from time to time and I have never come away thinking that they are cheerleaders for Bush.

What is often see is CNN pointing out the horrors of war. Yes, they may be supportive of the troops themselves, but that hardly means they are pro-Bush. I'm a moderate liberal and I just see things slightly different from how you see them.

One thing we agree on is that Bush needs to go. He's f*cking up our world and he's an embarrassment to the USA.

[TankLV]

43. Cafferty is a scumbag killer - not some "crusty old man"

He dragged a guy to death while driving drunk and got off and got to keep his job.

He's the epitome of repuke scum!

But you seem to like him. THAT says alot.

You're a moderate - riiiiiiight!

[Canadian_moderate]

46. WTF? I like the guy?

When the hell did I ever say that?

I didn't know his drunk driving incident.

[maggrwaggr]

42. Look, if you knew what was really going on you'd realize now RW it is

I don't mean to be harsh, but you have ONLY other RW sources to compare to!

Sure, compared to Fox, CNN seems moderate. It's not.

It's still way to the right of the truth.

That's the problem with the media today, nobody has any actual left wing media to compare it to.

I, for one, DO NOT want a left-wing propaganda network. I want a network that questions authority, that does its homework, and tells the fucking truth.

Like journalists used to do. Like they used to win awards for.

[glarius]

45. And like it USED TO BE at CNN!

When Ted Turner had it, it was an excellent, unbiased news network.

[glarius]

24. They present just enough Dem voices to so they can claim they are not

one-sided, but the strongest and most frequent voices are always the Republicans....Sorry I can't agree with you...When Ted Turner owned CNN it was a REAL news network....Now it's "infotainment' and the "info" is mostly slanted to the right...IMO.

[Iceburg]

44. You have lowered your standards my Canadian friend.

With the exception of Lou Dobbs and Aaron Brown they have much to be ashamed of. How soon we forget the Letterman incident. That was the final straw for me.

[Zynx]

37. Cleanest since Eisenhower?

Only in the sense that Congress hasn't investigated.

[democrank]

17. Is Frum the guy who

coined the words "axis of evil" for Little Commander Man?

Dean is still a breath of fresh air.

[Canadian_moderate]

21. yes he did

[glarius]

26. And he was fired when his wife sent emails bragging about it!

Pretty pathetic, eh?

[maggrwaggr]

31. yeah, he also said PNAC was "just three guys in a room"

which is a blatant lie.

PNAC is running the executive branch of our government right now.

[Tactical Progressive]

36. Actually Frum wasn't creative enough to come up with 'Axis of Evil'

He got half of it. Something like 'Axis of bad guys' or 'Alliance of Evil' or some such.

Someone else came along and said how about 'Axis of Evil'.

It was a strident and undiplomatic piece of foreign policy rhetoric that anyone normal would run away from in embarassment. Instead Frum's wife immediately sent out emails telling all her friends how her hubby came up with the phrase that he didn't even really come up with.

So they fired him.

It's one thing that the Bush administration did that I liked.

[KharmaTrain]

40. Wasn't It His Book That Got Him Canned?

He wrote "out of school"...the first in the regime to do a "tell-all" and this got RoveCo. in snit, thus he got shitcanned.

I've only heard about the wifey's emails recently.

Either way, Frum is another hack who knows if he stopped spewing the Right Wing crap he'd have no career whatever.

Regarding CNN...Wolf's slant to the right is not imagined, he was the one who brought up the questions about Richard Clarke's sanity...a complete attempt to discredit him, which was a lie when he told it (and he knew it) and never explained completely why he did it when he got busted by the NYT.

I don't watch Cafferty...but I've seen his act and don't dismiss it as "grumpy old man". There are a lot of "Joe Six Packs" out there that agree with him and live in the O'Reilly/Hannity echo chamber that this regime uses to spread lies and destroy its critics.

CNN plays the "access" game as well...wanting to be the firstest with the modest...the game this regime uses to its advantage like no other. They'll toss Paula or Wolfie a big interview if they "play ball"...meaning they get the "A" lister (Powell, Rice) because they also load up on the "B", "C" and "D" list (when you get down to J.D. Hayworth and Neil Boorish).

The only credible sources I see on CNN these days are Dobbs (and he'll be gone soon), Aaron Brown and Jeff Greenfield. The rest are just teleprompter readers.

[Tactical Progressive]

41. Pretty sure he got canned over 'Axis of Evil' braggadocio

and then wrote his book.