Bush has Narcissistic Personality Disorder

[FizzFuzz]

experts in abnormal psych also believe that NPD is at the root of Psychopathy and other personality disorders. Its very similar to psychopathy.

Anyway, I posted this in another thread but it got buried, so I'm trying again now.

Read the descriptions; Bush to a "T"
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1. THE PATHOLOGICAL LIAR lies for no reason. Skilful and convincing, he will make up new lies when questioned. His memory is self serving. He is abusive, evasive and will deny past statements. He will bluff and threaten. Defense Strategy: Find a way to verify what he says. Don't tip your hand. Don't reveal things he will use against you. Don't believe a word he says. Head for the door when things don't add up. Don't ask questions as this just invites more lies.

2. THE CONTRACT BREAKER will agree to anything then turn around and do the opposite. Legal, custody agreements and normal social/personal protocol mean nothing to him. This con artist will accuse you of being the contract breaker. Enjoys orchestrating police/legal action and playing the role of the 'poor me' victim. Defense Strategy: Expect him to disregard the agreement. Have an effective Plan B in place. Protect yourself financially and emotionally.

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5. THE BLAME-GAME NARCISSIST never accepts responsibility. He blames ohers and he leaves them to clean up the mess he makes. A master at projection. Defense Strategy: Learn about projection. Don't take the bait when he blames you. He made the mess, let him clean it up.

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7. THE CONTROLLER/MANIPULATOR pits people against each other. Keeps his allies and targets separated. He is verbally skilful at twisting our words and actions. He is charismatic and usually gets his way. Often undermines our support network and discourages us from seeing our family and friends. Money is often his objective. Other people's money is even better. He is ruthless, devious and cruel. This control-freak bully encourages dependence on him. Often appears pitiful, confused and in need of help. We rush in to help him with our finances, assets, and talents. We may be used as his proxy interacting with others on his behalf as he sets us up to take the fall or enjoys the performance he is directing. Our "Knight in Shining Armor" is now our nightmare. Defense Strategy: Know the 'nature of the beast'. Facing his failure and consequences will be his best lesson. Be suspicious of his motives, and avoid involvement. Don't bail him out

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13. THE BRAINWASHER is very charismatic. He is able to manipulate others to obtain status, control, compliance, money, attention. Often found in religion and politics. He masterfully targets the naive, vulnerable, uneducated or mentally weak. Defense Strategy. Learn about brainwashing techniques. Listen to your gut instinct. Avoid them.

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18. THE SAINT proclaims his high moral standing. Claims others as immoral. He wants justice for society. "Hang 'em high" he says about the murderer on the 6:00 news. This hypocrite lies, cheats, schemes, corrupts, abuses, deceives, controls, manipulates and torments while portraying himself of high morals. Defense Strategy: Learn the red flags of behaviour. Be suspicious of people claiming such high morals

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19. THE CALLING-CARD NARCISSIST forewarns his targets. Early in the relationship he may 'slip up' revealing his 'true self' saying "You need to protect yourself around me" or perhaps "Watch out, you never know what I'm up to." We laugh along with him and misinterpret his words. Years later, coping with the devastation he's left behind, his victims recall the chilling warning. Defense Strategy: Know these red flags and be suspicious of the intentions of others.
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(Remember Chimpy's remarks about a dictatorship might be nice if he were the dictator? Weren't there other veiled remarks hinting at his true personality? Cant remember....)

here's the link to the above quotes:

http://groups.msn.com/PSYCHOPATH/20traitsofmalignantnarcissism1.msnw

Anyway, there's a TON of Narcissism info on the web..another interesting characteristic I read is that they tend to inspire devotion or INTENSE hatred in others!!

[NMDemDist2]

1. no comment, but i'll kick it eom

:kick:

[FizzFuzz]

4. what does "eom" mean?

thanks--sorry to be dense

[Jacobin]

6. end of message

sometimes also designated "n/t" for no text.

:hi:

[Jane Austin]

20. Don't feel bad.

I had to ask what that meant when I was new, too. :)

[MoonRiver]

28. Here's a great site for finding out what Internet acronyms are:

http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=internet+acronyms&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D56f1fafaa639753%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dinternet%2Bacronyms%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.gaarde.org%252Facronyms%252F%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPIndex2%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gaarde.org%2Facronyms%2F

I searched for one when trying to figure out what eom meant! :D

[Jane Austin]

29. Thanks!

n/t

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

2. Google

"Dr. Shmuel Vaknin". He is THE acknowledged expert on NPD.

[whistle]

3. Has Dubya put on weight?

...They showed him on the news tonight walking next to his father and I swear he has gone up at least two suit sizes. Now, Secret Service may insist that he wear an armor vest.:freak:

[goclark]

8. Sounds like him to me

I think these last two months are pushing him over thr edge.
He is "MORE" of all the traits that you pointed out.

Now, how should Democrats treat a scum like this?

I think we should stand up to his bully ways.
Throw it right back at him!

[NMDemDist2]

18. either a vest (sign of paranoia? ) or they are padding his suits so he

looks bigger and stronger (but Kerry is still taller and has better hair hehehehe)

[Preening Fop]

5. Add The Word "Malignant"

To be more precise, "Malignant Narcissist"
would be appropriate.

Also, "Sociopath" fits this case study.

[FizzFuzz]

11. yes, malignant

that's also a term Dr. Vaknin uses. Our Great Leader, malignant for sure
yep sociopath too.

[newyawker99]

23. Hi Preening Fop!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Jacobin]

7. Also, check out "borderline personality disorder"

[Jackpine Radical]

14. A "Cluster B" personality disorder for sure--

I've pointed out the narcissistic & antisocial traits many times here & elsewhere--but I don't think Borderline. Almost all borderlines have histories of early sexual abuse, btw.

[clonebot]

27. he's not boderline

those with borderline tend to love very shallow relationships, intense love/hate relationships, outbursts, and as someone else mentioned can be the result of sexual abuse (though you never know, barbara?) - and frankly although bush is a stuttering idiot, a borderline wouldnt have the composure and patience to be president for more than 5 minutes.

[noiretextatique]

9. excellent diagnosis...many DUers have diagnosed him

similarly. i recall tahitinut did and exhaustive post on the subject last year. as my dear cousin is fond of saying: "everybody can't be wrong."

[FizzFuzz]

13. lol, "everybody can't be wrong"

do you happen to know the link to that post? It sounds interesting.

[noiretextatique]

22. sorry, fizzfuzz...but you can pm

tahiti nut...he may have it bookmarked. i am certain it was before the conversion. good luck :hi:

[Junkdrawer]

10. You're not the first to say that...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1433069#1433722

[H2O Man]

12. "psychopathy" is a general term

which refers to a cluster of behaviors that are associated with any one of dozens of personality disorders. Hence, a woman with Borderline Personality Disorder will have a certain set, an AntiSocial Personality Disordered fellow will have another. Many over-lap.
Personality disorders are distinct (though can be very closely associated with) the major mental illnesses. Bipolar and schizophrenic disorders are on "Axis One;" while the PD's are on Axis Two. In diagnosing, one considers these, as well as physical issues on Axis Three; how well the person is functioning on a scale of 1 to 100 on Axis Four; and their "top" functioning level in the past year on Axis Five.
Hence, while it is almost impossible to give an accurate diagnosis without meeting a person, because much of what we see on tv is an act, it's pretty safe to say that old George W. exhibits most of the traits one would associate with NPD. The funny thing about Axis 2 is that a severe case can almost mimic an Axis 1 illness. George seems to have religious delusions. He thinks he is doing the Lord's bidding, and is unaware of the fact that on a spiritual axis, he is a demon.
His health appears pretty good for his age, and he has to objectively be seen as functioning very highly. The guy is president, though unelected. This degree of functioning has created serious problems, because his delusions are creating a significant threat to the safety and well-being of thousands of people. There obviously needs to be an intervention. It's sad that congress has not acted responsibly in this. He should be impeached immediately. However, it appears that the only potential intervention at this point will be by the voting public in November. In the mean time, many more innocent people will die, as a direct result of his NPD.

[FizzFuzz]

16. Thanks!!

I'm just an armchair psychologist, so I really read your post with great interest (haha I'm not a psychiatrist, but I play one in my mind!)
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I've had a number of "relationships" with personality disordered people of various kinds...one was a flagrant NPD, my mother a borderline personality, so ya can see where my interest comes from. And Bush just makes my alarm-bells go off like crazy.

I've also read that psychopaths (I'm gonna use that general term because I'm not enough of an expert to be fluent with the more correct terminology) tend to exhibit certain unusual linguistic anomolies. Saying things that dont gel cognitively, mixing up idioms, using words incorrectly, spoonerisms. Geee Whizifiers, does that sound like anyone we know??????

Hmmm, the NPD person I knew also CONSTISTENTLY would assign nicknames to people--as a sort of control, I think, faking camaraderie so that the veiled insults cut all the deeper while also causing greater confusion. (insert X-files music here)

[JHBowden]

15. I don't believe Bush is mental.

I do agree that Bush has no depth intellectually, is an extremely competitive risktaker, and puts too much faith in simple abstractions and religious imagery.

[H2O Man]

17. Just out of curiosity:

when you say you don't believe Bush is mental .... what do you mean? Mentally ill? Mentally stable? I'm not sure. As noted, he clearly does not have any symptoms that would make one feel he has an Axis 1 illness .... and they are the real mental illnesses. Axis 2 is a cluster of behaviors which are not "mentally ill." Rather, they tend to be the coping skills that a person learns, primarily from growing up in a specific type of household. Some of these skills can help a person do well in society beyond the family of origin. Others make people a bit less than appealing to hang around with. If we take bush, we can see that his "people skills" make him very appealing to a large segment of the population. At the same time, another larger segment finds him to be obnoxious at best. Those are the Axis 2 traits that often are diagnosed as personality disorders. They are not the major mental illnesses; however, a bipolar person can also have a PD.
Now, is it possible to consider bush delusional? If the mayor of Detroit decided that the great God himself had selected him to order one group of young men to attack and kill another group, including hundreds and even thousands of innocent people who merely are in the way, I think we'd all recognize this as delusional behavior. When Jim Jones decided that the great God wanted him to lead his followers into the valley of death, that is the definition of delusional, also. But our society has some pathology, too. Again, if Hitler ordered you to kill a Jewish person, he may be delusional, but it's your choice to decide if you will share in that delusion. If the governor of your state orders you to attack a neighboring state, because God so desires it, he's delusional. And so isn't the president, unless you also believe that God wants bush to win a holy war against Islam.

[jeanmarc]

19. recent quote

"I was impressed by the questions," the president said. "I think it helped them understand how I think and how I run the White House and how we deal with threats."

This is in response to the 9/11 commission ventriloquism with Cheney. They didn't and don't deal with threats. They deal with bogeymen. I was aghast at his comment. He doesn't 'think' and he doesn't 'deal with threats' other than the ones that rest in his little insecure cocaine-addled mind.

[HEyHEY]

21. Summarized as "Prick" syndrome?

[Lone_Wolf]

24. I concur... looking at the DSM-IV-TR

I would say a strong case could be made that he has 7 of the 9 criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. To those who don't know, only 5 of 9 criteria are required for a diagnosis).

[clonebot]

25. diagnosing from the dsm-iv

yea i have it here too - keep in mind though you have to look at bush's relatonship with his wife in order to have a clearer picture. you can't use the dsm and observable behavior alone - we need to get him into a therapy session ;)

[MoonRiver]

26. I agree that this is probably his primary disorder.

He may also have ADHD and an LD. I would estimate his IQ to be in the lower range of Average, probably around 92. He's really unfit to do work requiring higher level thinking. Guess that's what makes him such a good puppet.