Isn't this the White House that defended torture as a means of obtaining

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

info?

Following 9/11 we had Woolsey et al on TV claimng that torture was a legitimate means of obtaining info. Now that images are available to the American public, they are backtracking but aren't our troops simply following the lead of some of our nations leaders who CLAIMED this was a legitimate means to an end?

[robbedvoter]

1. The pretense of obtaining info was missing in the pics

They had no justification - so they had to CYA.

[cynic4life]

2. that was the excuse the nazi soldiers gave

I was just following orders. Bullshit...its a matter of morals. to humilate, degrade and hurt someone simply because they are an enemy prisnor is wrong. those soldiers made a choice to do what they did..now they got to pay for it

[mopaul]

3. I read this morning that the 'contract workers' do most torturing

to keep u.s. soldiers from dirtying their hands

[leanings]

5. Do you have a link for that one?

I'd be interested in seeing that myself.

[alfredo]

6. We farm them out to other countries to

do the torturing for us.

[leanings]

7. Yeah, I'm aware.

But contractors?

[alfredo]

9. they are paid well for their services.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. Here are some articles discussing it post 9/11

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/torture.html

http://www.presentdanger.org/frontier/2002/1122torture_body.html

I'll look for more

[leanings]

4. Yeah, at least that's an ARGUMENT

Not a good one, but there are points that can be made in defense of torture as a means of obtaining info.

What makes this really sick is that the people involved were just doing it for sport. :puke:

That's my first puke icon, btw. It gets terribly overused here at DU, but these fuckers deserve it.

[bigtree]

10. And we are still shirking accountability in the international court

we expect to convict Milosovic and others who we justify our aggression against based on their human rights abuses.