Freepers on the Abu Ghraib scandal:

[Mattforclark]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1127317/posts

Some freepers are conscientious enough to say things like:

This is a disgrace.
The scum responsible for these horrific actions should be tried, and shot if guilty for gross violations of the Geneva Conventions.

They are an insult to the thousands and thousands of decent American fighting men and women who have served their country in this conflict and in conflicts in the past. They are a disgrace to the uniform they wear and the flag under which they serve and the nation the represent.

Scum.


1 posted on 04/30/2004 7:17:37 AM PDT by ZULU





But others say:

UK DAILY MAIL
This rag would NEVER distort the truth, now would they?

Why are you so quick to jump all over the men & women who protect your right to jump to a preconceived conclusion?


2 posted on 04/30/2004 7:21:01 AM PDT by Puppage




I don't believe a word of it.
Not one single solitary word.

And neither should you.


6 posted on 04/30/2004 7:30:27 AM PDT by Old Sarge


Have you ever served in a war zone? It's easy to be judgmental when you haven't been in that situation. This is not to condone their actions, but when people are trying to kill you, you lose your sanctity of life convictions in a hurry.

9 posted on 04/30/2004 7:31:59 AM PDT by rj45mis


She's got the Leather Tuscadero pose, Pinky's younger sister from Happy Days!

Hell, this was the same treatment we got upon graduation from Airborne school, including the box/wire treatment.

Plus, we got 'blood wings'.

Worse still, it was all male! Talk about homo!


Even if you believe every word I have a hard time designating this as TORTURE!

29 posted on 04/30/2004 7:41:05 AM PDT by OldFriend


Call me when he actually would be electrocuted if he fell off the box. Heck, I suffered worse when I joined a fraternity.

As far as the egregious stuff, I leave it to the military to discipline their own.


41 posted on 04/30/2004 7:47:41 AM PDT by Pete


What's disgraceful is the press, which has no outrage when innocents are mutilated and dragged through the streets to the cheers of terrorists and their sympathizers, and their shocked outrage when a handful of soldiers respond - a response no-way NEAR as vicious and evil as that of the terrorists. Who knows who these victems are? Were they people rounded up on the street because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time? Or were they people with guns, bomb making equipment, contacts with terrorists? Or terrorists caught in the act? I have no sympathy for them - they aren't regular army, they aren't patriots fighting against an oppresive regime (where were they under Sadaam? Oh yeah, they were working for him, torturing kids and raping people's wives and daughters). Screw them. Someone should feed them viagra and make them get it on with pigs, videotape it and force them to watch it 24x7 for the rest of their lives, the worthless animals.

42 posted on 04/30/2004 7:49:14 AM PDT by mudblood


Yes, it was a stupid thing to do, but what are you supposed to do if you can't find a nice Christmas tree to decorate while deployed in Iraq?

Everybody sing..."have a holly jolly Christmas, it's the best time of the year.."

57 posted on 04/30/2004 8:02:29 AM PDT by Registered


Let's get real. Nothing here deserves the word "horrific." Yes, these soldiers were stupid and it is an embarassment to the U.S. military but this is hardly torture when compared to the atrocities that went on under Saddam. This is certainly no worse than what goes on in college fraternaties across the U.S. The really sad part is that our enemies (at home and abroad) will use this against us. In my opinion it would have been better if the photos had been torn up and the soldier gotten a thourough ass kickin.

62 posted on 04/30/2004 8:05:02 AM PDT by Avenger


I'd like to know if any of those prisoners who've been mistreated ever did anything similar to anyone else. I'm sure they blow up babies and women in a heartbeat and use a 10 year old boy or girl laden with explosives and put a bullet through the foreheads of those complaining about this the loudest in the western world in NY second.

65 posted on 04/30/2004 8:06:09 AM PDT by wingster


The prisoners in these photos were terrorists: certainly people trying to kill Americans. They DIDN'T try to kill Sadam, his supporters, etc. - they probably worked for him. Certainly they were on his side. I'm sick and tired of this panzy-ass warmaking. This is war, not a tea-party. Bush should order our men to go in there, kill anyone with a weapon in their hand (stick, rock, gun, I don't care), fully occupy everything, smash all resistance utterly, and then do the same thing to Syria and and anyone else that doesn't understand that we're very serious about killing our enemies. Just when, exactly, did it become out of fashion to destroy our enemies? Kill them all, and let the starving terrorist prisoners fight over the body parts.

66 posted on 04/30/2004 8:06:21 AM PDT by mudblood


If you really want to be shocked, look into how Sodom Whose_not_sane treated prisoners.

68 posted on 04/30/2004 8:06:42 AM PDT by biblewonk


It's very obviously slanted. Just how far they are slanting the new stuff is the only question.

My sister-in-law's brother flew prisoners to Gitmo, and I happen to know that they (the prisoners) were not nice people...no matter what some UK leftist rag would lead folks to believe.

83 posted on 04/30/2004 8:14:47 AM PDT by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet


Innacurate headline. I see no torture described, only taunting and humilation which is fine by me. They just need to do a better job of concealing it so the liberals don't make hay with it. Much ado about nothing.

89 posted on 04/30/2004 8:20:25 AM PDT by plain talk


Nope, all they were was humiliated - and actually, they had hoods on so all anyone could tell was that "people with bodies that were male were apparantly laughed at while posed in funny positions, naked, ect." They weren't raped like Jessica Lynch, killed in cold blood like Daniel Perl, dragged through the streets and mutilated, forced to jump from the world trade center rather than be burned alive, nor any of that other "understandable resistance from disenfranchised, peaceful muslims" crap. I'd rather sympathise with PETA than these prisoners.

97 posted on 04/30/2004 8:23:51 AM PDT by mudblood


You need to reread the Bill of Rights sometime before the Bushites have it completely outlawed.
How old are you? Has your IQ ever been tested?
Next time you find yourself dodging bullets and facing a muslim mass-murdering maggot, be sure and have your "Bill of Rights" to read to him as he slices your throat.


107 posted on 04/30/2004 8:30:01 AM PDT by Publius6961


No, actually I'm one of the few not jumping to conclusions. Who did the research on this piece? Who all were involved? How many? What kind of knowledge did this lady general have of it?

Look, we can't run around worrying what the world thinks of one little incident which is really all this is. What, are we going to pack up and run b/c of it? If this "is a factor" then expect more of it to come out.

Has it hit Fox News yet? IDK, maybe it has. But until it does, let's see what's going on. I just can't feel too sorry for a guy who wants to destroy the free world simply b/c he's been misused. World opinion has been against us since the start. This is nothing new!


118 posted on 04/30/2004 8:37:52 AM PDT by wingster

[Mattforclark]

1. kick

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. To be expected

Freeper line is basically that our brave men and women are fighting to defend and protect our "freedoms", self interests and motherhood. Once that is clear in their mind, any and all hatred and genocidal acts are justified. This is the same mindset that permitted Nazi atrocities and the Vietnam War to drag on for years.

[kcwayne]

3. Predictable responses from mouth breathers

Their attitude about this event would be reversed 180 degrees if the roles were reversed and the victims were white Murikans.

Didn't the idiot in chief say "There are no more torture chambers in Iraq!"?

[supernova]

5. I loathe how they try to minimize

the torture in their minds with the "I got worse when I joined a fraternity" line. :eyes: x(

It's sad that we walk the earth with this slime.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

6. Hey, don't insult mouth breathers

I have a cold. I'm having to breath through my mouth right now.

[Downtown Hound]

4. Yeah, and those Vietnamese at My Lai

were asking for it. They said the same thing then. These idiots never change.

[Mountainman]

7. people are trying to kill you, you lose your sanctity of life convictions

I think that poster was on to something. That's the thing I hate most about war.

At some point in time you begin to dehumanize your enemy because they are the ones you are supposed to kill and you have to comes to terms with that. Dehumanizing them is a preparation for doing what you were once taught you should never do, and you get praised for it. In some there is remorse later but not in all.

When you get home you have to relearn all the morals you left behind when you went to war.

[Tansy_Gold]

8. I heard on NPR this morning

that *some* of the Marines who have been surrounding Fallujah are very disappointed that they are pulling out and not getting to fight, which they had been looking forward to.

War does bad things to people's minds, but I still have a difficult time wrapping my head around that kind of attitude. I'm able to "support" the troops in the sense that I hope they come home safe and sound -- and SOON -- and I understand that after being in a very tense situation for days or even weeks on end there is a sense of wanting something, anything to happen to relieve the tension. Even so, I cannot find any kind of justification for "wanting" to get into a battle, and absolutely no justification at all for torturing, humiliating, or otherwise disrespecting the humanity even of one's "enemies" when said enemies have been rendered harmless.

[The_Casual_Observer]

9. Perhaps some of those Marines actually believe

that the people of Fallujah were responsible for 9/11 and this would avenge it and protect the United States from future attacks. This was what they were told leading up to the Invasion.