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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:07 PM
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Kerry on CSPAN NOW!
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Slit Skirt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:09 PM
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1. thank you!
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:10 PM
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2. why is the volume so LOW
it's not the set. other stations are blasting at this level and I can barely hear c-span. :grr:
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:10 PM
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4. I was just going to ask that
Seemed to work fine a few days ago when Cheney was there...
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:14 PM
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7. sounds fine now n/t
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:10 PM
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3. Wow, so this is what DSL looks like.


Using a friend's computer, what a treat. (Mine only lets me have
live audio. If I want video I have to wait for the archive.)

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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:12 PM
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5. Please, someone throw this guy some Valium
He's twitching, and thumb twiddling, and rocking back and forth.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:15 PM
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9. Cause he knows
that he's going to have freeps jumping all over him. It took a lot of guts for him to provide a forum for the opposing view in this day. We need more people to stand up for free speech.
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:13 PM
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6. Thanks
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:14 PM
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8. Seems like a warm reception from the audience
Let's see if for once a Democrat doesn't get a heckler.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:15 PM
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10. A rousing, standing ovation!
Great start.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:19 PM
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11. Opens with the "so much to do, so little time" Churchill joke
old drinking joke.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:23 PM
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13. He looks and sounds SO PRESIDENTIAL.
Hitting "Mission Accomplished".

Anniversaries time to reflect. Not where we've been, but what might be possible.

Very Churchhillian. and Kennedyesque.
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:22 PM
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12. On CNN now
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:24 PM
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18. Wow, wonder how many minutes they'll stay with him
3? 5?

*sigh*
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k in IA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:30 PM
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22. On MSNBC and Fox too
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:24 PM
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14. wow, he's doing a great job
he actually seems lively, and always he sounds sincere.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:24 PM
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15. "America is stronger when it is respected around the world,
and not just feared."
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Just Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:46 PM
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33. THAT is a KEEPER!!!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:24 PM
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16. Heck of a way to get people to pay attention to
your foreign policy statements. I'm glad he has the opportunity though. Perhaps Tweety and the rest will chew on the actual issues tonight instead of gossip. Whoops, I forgot. Jacko was on today.
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:24 PM
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17. US Should be respected around the world
not just feared
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:25 PM
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19. College president Fletcher Lamkin is a patriot.
And a true American. AND a true President.

He can be e-mailed at LamkinF@jaynet.wcmo.edu

:headbang:
rocknation

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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 02:03 PM
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48. I'm really proud this is all happening in rural Missouri
One of the most overlooked places in the country. We're not all rednecks and bible-belters here.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:26 PM
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20. the crowd is loving him!
and he's not NAMING the chimp but the implication is CLEAR

(and the audience agrees)
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:30 PM
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23. Yes, he's not attacking Bush the way Cheney attacked him
but simply describing the "hard truths" of the situation. BRILLIANT!

:headbang:
rocknation
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:32 PM
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25. Definitely on the high road
and began by describing the importance of speaking there, and the importance of the moment. Made Cheney look like the jerk he is.
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No2W2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:27 PM
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21. That was impressive

Someone from Massachusetts pronounces "Missouri" like a native :D
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:31 PM
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24. Wow
he sounds so good.I don't even see him reading notes....the people love him...go Kerry.
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:34 PM
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27. i don't think he is reading
VERY impressive

and makes a STRONG comparison to the dim son blathering AND cheney's negativity and slander
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Aunt Anti-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:54 PM
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42. I noticed that, too.
He rarely seems to be reading when he's giving a speech. I like that because it makes me feel as if he really knows what it is he is talking about and like it is coming from the heart. I like Kerry more and more every day and after seeing this and the last few speeches, I've made the decision to put my Kerry 2004 banners up.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:33 PM
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26. THIS is how you restore dignity to the White House
Contrast this with Bush's racist remarks today.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:38 PM
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28. We must lead, but we must listen.
We must use every tool of diplomacy because fof past mistakes.
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:40 PM
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29. I switched to audio. I think we're overloading
their servers.
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:42 PM
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31. Go to CNN--if you can view a TV
He really is doing a good job! I'm impressed. :)
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:44 PM
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32. or MSNBC and even
<gasp> Faux is covering it!

the faux anchors must be puking in the hallways:

but but but but but MICHAEL JACKSON said he's NOT GUILTY and we haven't run the same video in over 30 minutes!!!
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:49 PM
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37. It's over -- rebroadcast 8PM EST
Edited on Fri Apr-30-04 01:50 PM by rocknation
The only thing he did wrong was not thank CHENEY for making it possible to be there!

:headbang:
rocknation
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:47 PM
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34. Wow! Even Faux is carrying it!
*faints*

One thing with this speech...

When the Conservative Commandos start braying "that's exactly what President Bush is doing...blah blah"... I hope and pray that KERRY AND EVERY SURROGATE HE HAS NOW RESPONDS TO THOSE WORDS WITH, "I'M GLAD PRESIDENT BUSH IS TAKING JOHN KERRY'S ADVICE AND PUTTING HIS PLAN TO WORK!"
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kaitykaity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:52 PM
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41. Good idea. I forgot
my friends have cable, in addition to DSL. (Housesitting is fun.)
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nostamj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:42 PM
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30. 'no bid contracts'
he's not saying but he IS saying...

the ovation is going to be like nureyev and fontayne when this is over...
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:48 PM
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35. he is talking like to a educated bunch, lol
instead of on hardball to sound bites i didnt like so much

this goes much more like when talking at the press group, sounding smart. what i like, so much of what others said above and in talking resolving war, not that we know we can accomplish, but here is what we need to do. and how to get help from people, and the neccissity of it, yet even with that, we dont know we will be successfull. but we have to try

i like that he was clear saying, even if we try it all, we dont know that we will be successful
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:49 PM
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36. Bravo!!!
Excellent speech. How will the RNC continue to say Kerry "complains but offers no ideas?"

That man sounds like a president!!
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:52 PM
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40. Well I believe we have a thread on this `
forum already holding out that is this all there is crap.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:57 PM
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45. .
Edited on Fri Apr-30-04 01:59 PM by Snellius
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:49 PM
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38. This was one of Kerry's better speeches. n/t
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:49 PM
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39. FOX analyst: "High-minded, presidential"
NASCAR nation shudders!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:56 PM
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44. GET OUT!
Did they say that?

I don't know whether to be pleased or scared!
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slinkerwink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:57 PM
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46. that must be a secret Democrat agent!
;-)
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:56 PM
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43. What a contrast to Cheney's speech at the same venue last week...
Leadership!!!

Kerry was great!!!
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 01:59 PM
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47. Rough Transcript of Address:
But we've seen the news, we've seen the pictures, and we know that we are living through days of great danger. What anniversaries give us is the time to reflect, not about where we've been, but about what might be possible. Possible for our men and women in the military, the iraqi people, and for allies all around the world. This anniversary is not a time to shout, it's not a time for blame, it is a time for a new direction in iraq and for america to work together so that once again this nation --


>> It is a time for america to work together so that once again this nation leads in a way that brings the world to us and with us in our efforts.



>> In the end, and this is common sense understood I think by most americans, america is safer and stronger when it is respected around the world, not just feared.



>> To move to that police place of promise and possibility, we must all see and share in the hard truths that are all around us. We know that there's no harder truth than when an american pays the ultimate sacrifice for our country. At this moment, 722 men and women have falleN. Eulogies and rifle salutes and the last lone note of taps have echoed across our towns. Grief beyond measure and the country's gratitude is real and eternal.



>> I will share with you that it is a grief and a gratitude that last for all time because when i arrived here in columbia, a big sign was held up over a fence, i didn't know these people were going to be there, but they were cousins, family members of one of my best friends, who was killed in vietnam. And they came here holding that sign which said, don droll's country. This is where he came from, missouri, and the hard truth is, that we know now more lives will be lost until the mission is truly accomplished. And our duty is to make sure that parents, families and friends who lost loved ones will know that they did not die in vain.



>> We also know that for more than 135,000 families, the ongoing burden of this mission is something that they feel every day. The truth is, that there's an empty seed in the church pew on sunday, there's hand extra car in the driveway, and one less friend to phone for a movie on a friday night and the reasons that summoned americans to service vary. It might be the story of the young man or woman who was called to duty in the wake of september 11 or by a family tradition of service to our country. Or it may be a small business person who was called to serve for national guard duty like lizas and we thank you her for her duty here todaY. These are people who were called first for a few weeks but now serve indefinitely. They answered the call of service, they did their duty, but we now know that our military was sent into battle without the right equipment. Helicopter pilots have flown battlefield missions without the best available anti-missile system. We now know that roughly one-fourth of coalition deaths have occurred as a result of attacks on unarmored vehicles because we don't have enough armed vehicles to go around. We didn't send enough. We now know that our failure to forge and lead a true coalition has forced thousands in the national guard and reserves to be away from families and jobs for more than a year with no end in sitE. And we now know that civilians from half a dozen allied countries have been kidnapped, hundreds of iraqi civilians have been murdered in terrorist attacks. In addition, many of the iraq military police whom we train have refused to fight or fought inefficiently and extremists in major cities are rallying, challenging our resolve and vowing to drive us out. This is a moment of truth in iraq. Not just nor this administration administration, the country, the iraqi people, but for the worlD. This may be our last chance to get it right. And we --



>> We need to put pride aside to build a stable iraq. We must reclaim our country's standing in the world by doing what has kept america safe and made it more secure before, leading in a way that brings others to us so that we are respected, not just feared around the globe. This will not be easy, especially now after the decisions of the last yeaR. A hard truth that sometimes fails to get through the newspapers and daily reports. But we can accomplish the mission. And we must. Because I can tell you from personal experience we owe it to the brave men and women who stand in harm's way at this moment. In america --



>> In america, we are blessed when you stop and think about what it takes for those individuals who risk their lives, say good-bye to their families, go so far away to serve their country, it's a profound gesture of honoR. It symbolizes the spirit of america, that there are men and women who are ready to do what it takes to live and to lead by our values. I met so many of them. When I served in vietnam and i have met so many of them since from desert storm, from bosnia, kosovo and iraqi freedom. Their love of country and sense of duty is special. And it's something that they carry with them and one carries with them always. And it's because of them and those who carry on today that together we have got to do what it takes to get this done righT.



>> We have to come together as never before, not just in the united states but other nations, to build a stable iraQ. Not just to finish the mission, but to remind the world that a shared endeavor can bring the world closer toward peace. As complicated as iraq seems, there are really only three basic optionS. One, we can continue to do this largely by ourselves, and hope more of the same works. Two, we can conclude it's not doable, pull out and hope against hope that the worst doesn't happen in iraq. Or three, we can get the iraqi people and the world's major powers invested with us in building iraq's future. Mistakes have complicated our mission. And jeopardized our objective of the stable, free iraq with a representative government insecure in its borders, an we may have differences about how we went into iraq, but we do not have the choice just to pick up and leave and leave behind the failed state, a new haven for terrorists. A creator of instability in the region. I believe that failure, that just not staying the course is not an option in iraQ. But it is also true --



>> But it is also true that staying the course cannot simply be an excuse for more of the same. Here --



>> Here is how we should and must proceed. First, we must create a stable and secure environment in iraq and that will require a level of forces equal to the demands of the mission. To do this right, we have to truly internationalize both politically and militarily. We cannot depend on a u.S. Only presence. In the short term --



>> In the short term, if our commanders believe they need more american troops, then they should say so and they should get them and get what they need, but more and more american soldiers cannot be the only solution. Other nations have a vital interest in the outcome and they must be brought to that interest and brought to that outcome. To accomplish this, we must do the hard work to get the world's major political powers to join in this mission. And to do so the president must lead. He must build a coalition of key countries, including the united kingdom, france, russia and china, the other permanent members of the U.N. Security council to share the political and military responsibilities and burdens of iraq with the united states.



>> The coalition should endorse the brahimi plan for an interim iraqi government and it should propose an international high commissioner to work with the iraq authorities on the political transition and it should organize organ expanded international darg -- organ ex expanded nato force. Once these elements are in place, that coalition would then go to the U.N. For a resolution from the U.N. To ratify the agreement. The U.N. Would provide the necessary legitimacy and the U.N. Is not the tote el a solution, we all know that, but it is a key that opens the door to participation by others as is thethe international diplomacy that brings that initial group of people togetheR. In parallel, the president must also go to nato members and others to contribute the additional military forces and go to nato to take on an organizing role. Nato is now a global security organization. Iraq must be one of its global missions because of its global implications. To bring nato --



>> To bring nato members in and others, the president must immediately and personally reach out and convince them that iraqi security and stability is that global interest, that all must contribute to. He must also convince nato as an organization that iraq should be a nato mission, a mission consistent with the principles of collective security that have formed the basis of the alliances remark -- alliance's remarkable history in the pursuit of peace and security. To bring others in is the imperative, so that we share responsibility and authority. When nato members have been treated with respect, they have always, always answered the call of duty and so too with key other contributors. Everyone has a huge stake in whether iraq survives its trial by fire or whether it is consumed and becomes a breeding ground for terroR. A place of intolerance and feaR. Now I know that some will say that this is an impossible task. But I believe it is doable with the right approach. We must lead but we must listeN. We must use every --



>> We must use every tool of diplomacy and of persuasion to bring others along because of the stakes. Also understand that perhaps nato cannot undertake the entire iraq mission right away. But it could possibly take control of iraq's borders, take responsibility for northern iraq and/or the polish sector and train iraq's armY. If nato did this, it would free up as many as 20,000 american troops and open the door for other countries outside of nato to participate. The immediate goal is to internationalize the transformation of iraq, to get more foreign forces on the ground to share the risk and reduce the burden on our own forces. And that is the only way to succeed in this mission while ending the sense of american occupation. That is imperative.



>> We must take these steps because there is greater strength in greater numbers, and stronger alliances. And failure to move forward will be seen as a failure of american leadershiP. And we will pay a price in the future. The second key element is the high commissioner. Backed by a new broadened security coalition, that person should be charged with overseeing elections, the drafting of the constitution and coordinating reconstruction. The commissioner should be highly regarded by the international community and have the credibility of the international community to be able to talk to all of the iraqi people. This commissioner should be directed to work with iraq's interim government. The new U.S. Ambassador and the international community after june 30 to ensure a process that continues to move forward on the path towards sovereignty. And while focusing on the immediate needs of the iraqis themselves, that will permit us to move forward. The iraqi people desperate hi need financial and technical assistance that's not swallowed up by bureaucracy and by no-bid contracts to favored companies.



>> They need help that goes directly into the hapdz of grassroots -- hands of grassroots organization. They needs to see the tangible benefits of reconstruction in the form of jobs, infrastructure, services and the advancement of iraqis themselves and they need to be able to communicate their concerns to international authorities without feeling that they're being insulted and disrespected in their own country. Third --



>> Third, we need a massive training effort to build iraqi security forces that can actually provide security to the iraqi people. We must accept the effort to date has failed. It must be rethought and reformed. Training cannot be hurried. It has to be done in the field and on the job as well as in the classroom. And units cannot be put on the street without backup from international security forceS. They cannot be rushed in to battle before they are ready. This is a task to do in partnership with other nations, and it will be facilitated when this is done with other nations and this is a task which must be success if. If we fail to create a viable iraqi security force, military and police, there's no successful effort for us or for other nations. Now the question. Why would other nations join a cause that they did not support in the first place, particularly when they see what's happening? For one simple reason. It is in their profound self-interest. And the president needs to put that self-interest on the table and put it clearly before the world. That's what leadership is all about. That's what we need to dO.



>> For the europeans, iraq's failure could endanger the security of their oil supplies. Further, radicalize their large muslim populations. Threaten destabilizing refugee flows and cede a whole new source of terrorism which they have also felt the brunt of. And for iraq's neighbors, a civil war in iraq could draw them in, put moderates in the region the defensive and radicals on the risE. And a civil war could threaten the regimes in jordan, egypt, and saudi arabia. These compelling interests have always existed and they must now be the central piece of a diplomatic effort long overdue. Will a new approach in iraq be difficult to achieve? Yes. Is there a guarantee of success? No. In light of all the mistakes that have been made, no one can say that success is certain. But i can say that if we do not try, failure is all too likely and too costlY.



>> If the president will take the needed steps to share the burden and make progress in iraq, if he leaves, and i will support him on this issue. When winston churchill came to westminster and defined the mission of the cold war, he called on free nations to stand together against tyranny. America's leader at that moment of history was a tough and visionary son of missouri. Named harry truman.



>> President truman could have used america's power as an excuse to go it alone in the world. Instead, he joined with the leaders of many nations to create institutions like nato and other alliances in order to preserve peace, in order to spur economic progress, and in order to address global problems together. Much has changed since churchill spoke here. The institutions created more than half a century ago remain useful however. And very relevant. But yesterday's designs are not sufficient for today's needs. Our institutions and our alliances have to adapt to new opportunities and to new threats. New enemies must be confronted by new strategies, and america must lead in new ways. But even as we contemplate what has changed, we must also remember what has not. Our belief in the rights and dignity of every human being, our faith --



>> Our faith in democracy is the best form of government in all of human history. Our confidence --



>> Our confidence in america's capability to lead allies and friends to stand together and build a world more peaceful, prosperous, and just than we have ever known before. That was our mission in churchill's time and for all the differences of time and circumstances, that is our urgent need in iraq today and it is our enduring mission in the years ahead. There is pride in that. And honoR. And if we meet the test, my friends, we will have a world that is safer because of american leadership. Thank you very much for the privilege of being here. Thank yoU.


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ACK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-30-04 02:05 PM
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49. Is there any place I can hear this online?
It sounds really good.

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