"U.S. is violating ceasefire.. shooting old people, women, children."

[kerry-is-my-prez]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1206705,00.html
Military accused of violating Falluja ceasefire
The Guardian

-snip-

"The Americans have violated the ceasefire. They are attacking us with jet fighters, tanks and artillery. The US snipers are on every roof and minaret. They don't care who they shoot. They are shooting old people, women and children.Where is the UN in all this?"

-snip-

"They are bombing civilians. When I was about to leave there were two ladies trying to get out. American snipers shot them dead. Their bodies are still lying out on the street in al-Jumhuriya.The roads are deserted. All the area is bombarded. We are hearing shelling, artillery, and always the sirens of ambulances."

.......The Bush administration has tried to portray the insurgents inside the city as either foreign fighters or diehard supporters of Saddam Hussein.... Yesterday, however, those from Falluja could not understand Mr Blair's claim. The insurgents were not terrorists but Iraqis, they did not support the old regime and were merely fighting a patriotic war against American occupation. "The people doing the fighting are locals," Mr Mohammad, who fled with his wife and six children,said. "They are not people who support Saddam."

..... What did he think of the Americans now? "I want to kill them all," he said.

[stellanoir]

1. all these attrocities . . .

with presumed impunity. . .for how long. . .?

[BattyDem]

2. And there you have it ...

What did he think of the Americans now? "I want to kill them all," he said.

Mission Accomplished! We're much safer now! :eyes: :mad:

[kerry-is-my-prez]

4. Word will spread across Iraq of this - there will be a widespread riot.

It will succeed in uniting Iraqis - against the U.S.

[redqueen]

3. bush / cheney, making the world safer

$&#*(@$& Colin Powell and his $&#()@&$*(#)@ sycophantic bootlicking. He's the one person I would expect to step up and reign in this expanding circus of madness. I used to actually respect him.

[Devils Advocate NZ]

8. Why did you respect him?

Was this what earned your respect:

As an Army officer, Powell's superiors considered him a consummate "team player." They could count on Powell to haul their water despite any contradictory feelings he may have had. Powell's blind loyalty was demonstrated during a second tour in Vietnam (1968-1969), where as deputy assistant chief of staff for operations G-3 at Americal Division headquarters in Chu Lai, he was asked to handle a potentially embarrassing letter a young soldier had written to Gen. Creighton Abrams, commander of all U.S. forces in Vietnam.

The soldier had written about rumors of a massacre that Americal Division soldiers had committed in the hamlet of My Lai 4 in South Vietnam. Although he did not mention My Lai in the letter, the soldier complained that Americal soldiers were indiscriminately killing Vietnamese civilians. Such acts, the young soldier warned, "are carried on at entire unit levels and thereby acquire the aspect of sanctioned policy."

Several days after he received a copy of the letter, Powell sent a memo to his superior, the adjutant general, making the outrageous claim that the young soldier had not given enough specifics upon which to base an inquiry. The purposely blind Powell said the soldier's charges were false except for "isolated instances." He wrote that "relations between American soldiers and the Vietnamese are excellent." Powell's damage control efforts soon proved fruitless and the My Lai massacre burst onto the world stage like an atomic explosion, severely damaging the U.S. war effort in Vietnam. On the orders of Lt. William Calley, soldiers from the U.S. Army Americal Division had indeed indiscriminantly gunned down an entire village of men, women and children.
http://www.usvetdsp.com/story13.htm

Does "not given enough specifics upon which to base an inquiry" sound familiar to you?

[redqueen]

11. Holy crap

No, what I respected was his apparent hesitance to wage an illegal war against Iraq. Well, that makes it easier for me to dismiss him as part of the problem, then.

Sickening, what people will do to be part of a group. Primitive follwers. :(

[Pillowbiter]

5. Feeding the cycle

"What did he think of the Americans now? "I want to kill them all," he said. "

Just what Bush wants, another terrorist to keep himself in power by having us direct all of our hate at them.

PB

[kerry-is-my-prez]

6. So much for the U.S. being "The world's GOOD guys"

Remember when we all thought that? It may have been true a long time ago - but it sure as hell is no longer true. We are obviously "The BAD guys."

[olacan]

7. I am

not buying this, I suspect if the whole story was told the ending would be different. Do I have any proof, no, it sure is easy to make this kind of accusations.

[Devils Advocate NZ]

9. I bet you don't buy the photos of Iraqi prisoners being tortured either...

If the whole story were told the ending would be different...

[Media_Lies_Daily]

10. I suspect that you wouldn't buy anything...

...truthful, particularly if it cast the NeoCons in a bad light.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

12. olacan - why is every post you post pro-Bush, anti-Clinton, anti-Dem?

pro-war, pro-military? I think you're in the wrong forum....

[olacan]

13. The

pictures of the way Iraqi prisoners being treated break my heart. The individuals responsiblie need to be tried and then spend a long time in Ft. Leavenworth. They not only made America look bad but have soiled the image of the US military. When I was on active duty 23 years I worked hard to make sure I portrayed the Air Force in the best manner I could.
The article that started this thread has nothing to do with NeoCons, or Dems as far as I am concerned. I just do not think that we are deliberately targeting civilians and children. Call me whatever you want I have more faith in our military than that. Are there some bad apples yes but I refuse to let those few color my view of every man and women in the military.
As to the last post about all my postings I am an independent, I try to read a lot from all sides. Verify from several sources then make up my own mind.
So if that makes me unwelcome here so be it.

[karabekian]

14. no mention of the attacks by the insurgents

or their breaking of the "cease fire" ? Well that wouldn't fit in with the medias romantic view of the freedom fighter

[killbotfactory]

15. The kind of crap we demonized Saddam for...

Disgusting.