Come On People - It was only 6 Soldiers That Committed the Torture.

[Solomon]

Please get a grip. The torture of Iraqi prisoners was done by only a few bad apples. This is not the character of america. We don't do that kind of stuff to other people. These bad apples need to be dealt with, and all will be right again. This was nothing more than an isolated incident. It only happened once and it won't happen again.

We are always the good guys. The guys in the white hats. We don't torture people, we don't act like animals. Even if those prisioners deserve it, we are so high minded and moral, that we would never tolerate such abuse.

When we have to kill Iraqis, it's not really killing. It's liberating them. It doesn't matter if we are killing more Iraqis than Saddam, we have a perfectly legitimate reason for doing so, Saddam did not. In fact, it hurts us more than the Iraqis to have to kill them.

We are good. America is always good. We help people all the time. We don't do anything in our self-interest. It's only other countries that do that.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

1. OK Solomon take your tongue out of your cheeK ;-)

[Solomon]

2. Dang!

I guess I'm kinda known around here to be taken seriously. Just trying to catch a few of them freepers hanging out over here.

[environmental wakko]

25. freeper?

What's a freeper? Am I a freeper? Help me help me help me

[boxster]

3. I like it.

Though, to be truly accurate, it really needs some religious overtones.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

5. Sorry..I got my cover blown post haste too!

On another note...your post looked JUST LIKE a letter to the editor in my paper this AM...except you forgot to say that WORSE things happened when you were initiated into your fraternity.

on edit - oops..this should have been a response to Solomon

[BringEmOn]

4. Hey, it's not 'muricans fault that God put brown people on top of our oil.

[dr.strangelove]

7. God didn't put them people there.

The devil put those blood thirsty heathens in between us and the oil. Lets call another crusade. King Bush II's Second Crusade for oil.

[boxster]

10. Yeah, and 36% of the American public likely believes that!

The same 36% who told CNN that they don't think the soldier torture story is a big deal.

[Eric J in MN]

6. I know this is sarcastic, but visit MoveLeft Media

I know this is sarcastic, but visit MoveLeft Media:

The Mistreatment of Iraqui Prisoners: More Than Six People Involved

Reserve Brig. Gen. Janis Karpinski, who was responsible for the Abu Ghraib prison at which photos were taken of Iraqui prisoners being mistreated, points out that one photo shows 32 boots.

Karpinski told Deborah Norville on tonight's MSNBC show that military intelligence was in charge of the cellblock where the interrogations took place, and that Lieutenant General Ricardo Sanchez is paritally to blame, as the chain of command for these interrogations goes up to him.

http://moveleft.com

[Solomon]

8. Thanks Eric. I was too lazy to report the facts, but I knew someone

would.

[peacetalksforall]

9. Yes, we are so perfect that what we did wasn't torture, it was torment.

And we are so near perfect, that we know that what WE did wasn't done by WE, it was done by THEM - a few hopped up kids whose higher-ups told them never to do anything that was demeaning to another human.

Yes, we are so high minded and moral. Just like Bennett, Falwell, and Robertson want us to be.

[Solomon]

13. Because God is on OUR side.

[r_u_stuck2]

11. About to jump

I haven't been around here that long and was about to jump all over this one. Looked at the number of your posts and read the responses.

Please don't do that again. My blood pressure jumped 50 points.

I gotta get away from this for a while just to settle down.

[Solomon]

17. sorry ru. At least you proved you're not a freeper.

Welcome to DU.

[BurtWorm]

12. And the rape and assault of 9/11 detainees in Brooklyn....

...had nothing at all to do with the conduct of the guards at Abu Ghrain. It's pure coincidence that both happened under Bush time.


http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/03/nyregion/03brooklyn.html?pagewanted=...


May 3, 2004
2 Men Charge Abuse in Arrests After 9/11 Terror Attack
By NINA BERNSTEIN

Before the World Trade Center attack, Javaid Iqbal was a Pakistani immigrant proud to be known as "the cable guy" to customers on Long Island, where he had lived for a decade and married an American. Ehab Elmaghraby, an Egyptian, had a weekend flea market stand at Aqueduct Raceway and a restaurant near Times Square where friendly police officers would joke, "Where's my shish kebab?"

But within weeks of Sept. 11, 2001, both had been picked up by federal agents in an anti-terror sweep. For 23 hours a day, they were locked in solitary confinement in the harsh maximum-security unit of a federal detention center in Brooklyn - the one cited by the Justice Department's inspector general last year for widespread physical abuse of its detainees.

The inspector general mentioned no specific names and cases, but now, in a federal lawsuit to be filed today and in telephone interviews from Pakistan and Egypt, the former cable technician and the former restaurateur have provided the most detailed personal accounts yet of the unit's brutality and the first to accuse specific corrections officers and wardens of abuse. The accusations are similar to those now being made against military officers guarding prisoners in Iraq.

The lawsuit charges that the men were repeatedly slammed into walls and dragged across the floor while shackled and manacled, kicked and punched until they bled, cursed as "terrorists" and "Muslim bastards," and subjected to multiple unnecessary body-cavity searches, including one during which correction officers inserted a flashlight into Mr. Elmaghraby's rectum, making him bleed....

[redqueen]

14. What is it with sodomizing prisoners?

Are all these monsters perverts or WHAT?!

[glarius]

15. Are you sure you're not Rumsfeld in disguise?...hahaha

I can almost see him spouting out something like..."there was only ONE Iraqi tortured. The media just keeps showing it over and over again!"...(Remember his explanation of the looting and only one vase was shown over and over by the media?)

[Tinoire]

16. HAHAHA!!! Look at CACI Intl's stock! (The torturers for hire) Down $3.58

http://ichart.yahoo.com/b?s=CAI

I guess it never hurts for progressives to post information about interesting news on their message boards ;)

$3.58 (7.91%)

Sweet ;)

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=CAI&t=1d&l=on&z=m&q=l&c=


====

42 minutes later: Down $4.98 (11.00%) to $40.30

Ouch.

[Mz Pip]

18. Yeah

These guys and gals were just protecting our Freedoms. The Iraqis hate us for our freedoms, you know. These liberators were just showing the prisoners what real freedom and liberation looks like. :crazy:

MzPip
:dem:

[leftyandproud]

19. Only six were CAUGHT. *NT*

[matcom]

20. you forgot your </sarcasm> tag

:D

[Merrick]

21. Dostoevsky's take

Yesterday, I was reading Dostoevsky's semi-autobiographical "House of the Dead" - which depicts life within a Siberian prison - when I happened across a passage contemplating the infectious, corrupting influence of power and the brutality it often breeds in prison environments that I found poignant in this context, so I thought I'd share:
"...Anyone who has once experienced this power, this unlimited mastery of the body, blood and soul of a fellow man made of the same clay as himself, a brother in the law of Christ - anyone who has experienced the power and full license to inflict the greatest humiliation upon another creature made in the image of God will unconsciously lose the mastery of his own sensations. Tyranny is a habit; it may develop, and it does develop at last, into a disease. I maintain that the very best of men may be coarsened and hardened into a brute by habit. Blood and power intoxicate; coarseness and depravity are developed; the mind and the heart are tolerant of the most abominable things, till at last they come to relish them. The man and the citizen is lost for ever in the tyrant, and the return to human dignity, to repentance and regeneration becomes almost impossible."

[Solomon]

29. This is the point Merrick. We keep on judging people from our own

perspective without admitting that people (even we) can become anything, depending on conditions you find yourself in.

[GirlinContempt]

22. ALMOST had me

until I hit the second paragraph

[Drifter]

23. Bullshit ...

There are only 6 caught on camera.

These folks are now saying they were "Following Orders". This implies that EVERYONE at the prison was instructed to behave in this manner.

Whomever gave this order should face the ultimate penalty for Treason. The knuckleheads who followed these orders should be court martialed and dishonorably discharged.

the Nazi's were only "Following Orders" also.

Cheers
Drifter

[environmental wakko]

24. uh...

You were being facetious, right? If it didn't sound so mockingly like a ditto-head I'd take the time to post a real reply.

[sui generis]

26. I beg to differ. . .

...check out the Quickvote on torture on CNN (62/38). Then let's ask those so-called 4 out of 10 Americans a few questions:

I guess they're not considering that the guys doing the torturing are going to come back to the U.S. and live in the house next door to you or may already live here. How about this question: is torture of U.S. citizens ever justified during an interrogation? How about this question, which non-Americans is it okay to torture, and why? It's a lot more than six people that think it's okay, sadly.

[ibegurpard]

28. You need to turn up the dial on your sarcasm detection meter.

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