Something good to know

[RainDog]

The transcript will be up later, I assume.

Charlie Rose was on in the background while I was reading about the HUGE story which is breaking about the old Iran-Contra gang back in action (check the threads in LBN).

anyway, I heard one guy talking about Gore's speech. He said something like..well, it was presented to MoveOn, which had EIGHT HUNDRED THOUSAND people sign up with them in oppostion to the invasion of Iraq.

I know that's not a majority of the population, but that's a lot of people who are upset and disgusted, who go to their friends and family, who, in turn, go to others with information available via the internet.

When's the last time you saw 800 thousand people at a political event?

This is obviously the first time that 800 thousand people have worked to organize BEFORE a president tried to take America into an illegal and unsubstantiated war.

I don't think the politicians realized the importance of this at the time.

I think, with the Dean insurgency, they are all beginning to see the importance, and recognize that there has been a powerful voice which has been shut down by mainstream media.

...and more and more people, every day, are becoming aware of the disasters Bush and his gang are creating in our economy, in our international relations, in our national security.

The DLC ignores this at their peril. You can be sure Rove is trying to figure out a way to silence the our voices.

But he cannot stop this groundswell. The Bush junta has done too much harm. Too many people are disgusted.

[Ouabache]

1. It is inevitable that Bush will fall

Too many people are just too disgusted with him.
Pre-emptive war is UN-American.

Imperialism for Bush cronies in Iraq in UN-American.

Especially pre-emptive war that is unsubstantiated with any facts, beforehand, or after-the-fact.

[caledesi]

2. Yes, Sin...

"Pre-emptive war" is the biggest farce. Eventually, I hate to say this, but there will be a big "blowout" in Iraq and many of our troops will get killed. Then, most people will see how this pre-emptive shit is way out of line.

[NJCher]

3. our voices

I think, with the Dean insurgency, they are all beginning to see the importance, and recognize that there has been a powerful voice which has been shut down by mainstream media.


The truth. It's like three-card monte. They think they can hide their lies but the truth just pops up under a new medium.


Cher

[Clete]

4. I like

your words "Bush and his gang". This is a realization that these are not mainstream politicians. Keep thinking about this. We don't want them to remain in charge. I think bit by bit we will take the power back from them that was so easily handed to them after 9-11. After that it will be a simple matter to vote them out of office. We need to keep remembering those words, "Bush and his gang".

[RainDog]

6. it's not just the economy

tho that's a biggie.

I was looking at recent articles about the economy and related issues.

other contractors complaining b/c Halliburton is getting all the spoils, oh, I mean contracts, from the invasion.

productivity is up, which means the people doing the actual work are working harder...the ones who have jobs, that is. this means more profits for corporations.

will that translate into more jobs? so far America is still hemmoraghing jobs. is this situation like the tax cuts? the talk is that this situation will benefit everyone, while it's really the top 10% of the economic sector who benefits?

during the 90s, even though all boats were rising, the inequity between the richest 10% and the rest of us widened and widened. This was before the Bush gang got in and started their wide-scale looting as economic policy.

Gas prices are going up...closer to two dollars than one dollar a gallon, during vacation season in the U.S. (avg 1.54 now and expected to climb)

this is because of the Bush gang believed their own propaganda and thought Iraq would be sending us oil by now. if they had listened to the military and the CIA and Ambassadors in the region, they would have heard that their assessments were overblown.

so, another consequence of the war is higher gas prices. this, of course, benefits the Bush gang, too.

hmmmmm...so, their interests are continually served and enhanced by their policies, Halliburton, the oil industry, the widening gap between the filthy rich and the rest of us...

while the rest of us wonder if IT jobs will be lost to India, on top of the reality that Bush has the worst job creation record since Hoover, and the worst economic policies and results in twenty years.

how many people have stopped looking for jobs and so are not being counted among the unemployed? how many people have taken jobs which pay much less than their former positions, since something is better than nothing?

deficits will drive up interest rates for people, affecting the housing market, other large-item expenses... how will we pay for the huge deficit to finance the occupation of Iraq? what burdens are Bush's policies placing on our children?

will the housing bubble burst? how many people have ARMs?
How many people have maxed out their home equity? how many people have credit cards with adjustable rates?

don't believe me about this economic stuff. check out the NYTimes biz section. click on the "recession and depression" topic and read the abstracts from articles over the last year, over the last couple of days...

newsday asks if the economy is broken, not simply hurting.

[DagmarK]

5. Each of those 800,000 represents at least 10-15 people who

feel the SAME, but who don't sign up.

Kind of like the way Congress critters estimate that for every 1 letter they get on something, it represents 10 voters.

Same thing here.....

That's why DEAN with over 80,000 people at meetups really means something so much bigger than we can imagine. Who knows how many people support that guy?!

And for moveon.....800,000.....I think it's very safe to translate that to mean MILLIONS of Americans are on the very same page. I really do.

Of course, it makes me feel good to think that way...but it's a reasonable estimate.