Maoist Shining Path guerrilla on Hunger strike

[Christ was Socialist]

Long live the left. But to the maoists out there, please rethink your philosphy, i mean come on comrades. Don't you think it's just a wee bit idealistic and impractical.? No disrespect.










http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=589&ncid=734&e=2&u=/ap/20040504/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/peru_jailed_rebel


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LIMA, Peru - The imprisoned founder of the Maoist Shining Path guerrilla group and three other rebel leaders have started a hunger strike, seeking amnesty for Peruvian insurgents, his lawyer said Tuesday.



Abimael Guzman, who has been jailed for 12 years, and the others began their action on Monday, Manuel Fajardo told The Associated Press.


Fajardo said the four want amnesty for all leftist rebels, including for themselves and others in prison.


"The state must provide an integral political solution that includes the widest amnesty possible," Fajardo said.

[rumguy]

1. the shining path are a bunch of psychos

[Zynx]

2. Indeed. Many on this forum mistakingly support leftists without thinking.

The Shining Path is a terrorist organization as are the FARC guerillas in Colombia. Just because they are left-wing does not mean we should be supporting them. Remember, the left can indeed do wrong. Look no farther than Mao or Stalin for proof of that.

[rumguy]

3. they aren't even left wing - why even burden ourselves with such

an association?

[Christ was Socialist]

4. they are and no worse than american government,at least they have a purpos

http://www.csrp.org/cmte/Truthcom.htm

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The Commission expresses special horror at the fact that the PCP initiated the People's War at a time when the government was conducting "free elections." But the recent history of Peru has been the history of one "democratically elected" government after another sucking the lifeblood of the people.

Under Peru's "democratic" regimes, foreign mining companies have extracted countless millions of dollars in minerals from Peru--while the majority of people in Peru suffer malnutrition and diseases caused by poverty. The masses of indigenous people--abused, despised, and neglected by the power structure--have been excluded from having any voice in the decisions of the government. Millions of peasants have been forced to emigrate to the vast slums and shantytowns of Lima where they are barely able to survive.

But the daily hell of people's lives, their immense suffering under the normal workings of the system, and the just struggle to liberate themselves through armed struggle are not realities that this Commission seriously considered

The Commission labels the PCP with the usual anti-communist epithets like "authoritarian" and "totalitarian." The truth is that with the initiation of the People's War, the PCP mobilized the peasants in Peru to take control of their land and their lives for the first time in centuries. In the revolutionary Base Areas, the peasants under PCP leadership drove out the oppressive bastions of the old order that had enforced impoverished conditions on the people. People's Committees organized new politics, economics and culture. Among those who stepped forward as fighters and leaders were many young women who found in the program of the PCP a real road toward liberation from abuse and degradation and a different future than the one offered by the "democratic" governments that the Commission defends.

[rumguy]

5. that's one version of events

there's a whole other version that includes psychotic murder and insane violence - you know the whole "deepening the contradictions" BS

[Christ was Socialist]

6. i don't endorse them but

you must remember they mobalized peasents. These aren't businessmen or industrialists. It got sloppy. And I despise maoism, but at least the oppressed were mobalized, the government is oppressive, there is an old quote about the government that doesn't give the oppressed a voice by choice, will get it by violence.

[rumguy]

7. two sides of the same coin

the shining path and the government...

[robcon]

8. The Shining Path didn't mobilize the peasants.

Its primary funding has been blackmail of peasants, especially coca farmers. Threatening violence if they don't pay, the Shining Path has terrorised Peru's farmers.

[Christ was Socialist]

10. They became corrupt

i admit that. Please don't think i'm endorsing them, i tend not to like the radical communists platforms. But at first they did mobilize them, then they ignored the marxist tenet of communism must come by evolution not force. My thing is i hope to reasen with them, because they are the left. and as the quote goes "Gentle surely we must hang together, or we shall hang seperately" -Benjamin Franklin.

[LiviaOlivia]

11. yet you bashed Martin Luther for his treatment of "peasants"

I hardly think Luther holds a candle to the atrocities of Shining Path
and the Vatican for that matter. I think this man's hunger strike is far from heroic.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1521076#1521437

[Christ was Socialist]

12. come one

who has had more influnce. You have got to be kidding me. Hitler was influenced by him. And besides didn't i say 3x i dont endorse nor support them. I am not an authortarian radical leftist.

[rinsd]

13. "I am not an authortarian radical leftist."

You just play one on DU.

:eyes:

[Christ was Socialist]

16. Evidence? I also believe in equal rights lock me up and swallow

the key. Better than the propaganda you recieve.

[rinsd]

20. Paranoia's gonna get you.....

You're not an authoritarian leftist, you just post mainly on authoritarian leftist figures some more benign(relatively of course) while others are tyrants and called for boycotts against people who differ with you in their politics. Have I left anything out? No?

Good, because it's all a crock. You are pretending, using the lingo, but playing it up to stereotype. I would say more but I want you to see this comment before it gets erased.

[LiviaOlivia]

14. LOL

Hitler was Socialist

German Workers Party morphed into a National Socialist Party.

http://mars.acnet.wnec.edu/~grempel/courses/germany/lectures/25naziorigins.html

[Christ was Socialist]

15. hitler was not a socialist. That's poli-sci freshman year junk <nt>

[LiviaOlivia]

17. Read the link

eom

[Christ was Socialist]

18. I did. i'm saying it as a lot of people believe he was socialist

due to the fact he was in the national socialists. They try to do that the 5 biggest murders were socialist. When in fact 0 were true socialists. They were just tyrants.

[rinsd]

19. Doesn't matter whether they were "true socialists"

It has told us to be suspicious of those claiming a need for dramactic change in government oversight in order to formulate a more perfect society. That shit has killed millions whether in China, the USSR, Cambodia, Vietnam. I'll give Fidel a little credit here as he didn't decide to massacre a substatial portion of the population.

Mussolini was a socialist. He went hard after the government about censorship. And came to power based on his popularity with the people. Of course he went nuts when he came to power.

[ForrestGump]

9. Let them starve