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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 10:49 PM
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The Conduct is Pervasive - it's part of the Warrior Ethos Program

Warrior Ethos, a product of Task Force Soldier, is the concept of preparing every Soldier to close with and destroy the enemy when necessary, even if it means doing it with his or her bare
hands
.
http://www-tradoc.army.mil/pao/Web_specials/WarriorEthos/026404.asp

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"The gas chamber is a beautiful place," said a smiling Sgt. 1st Class Freddie Thompson, 2nd Platoon drill sergeant. "I’ve had privates big and bad, and they’re the biggest sissies in there."

Thompson has been a drill sergeant for more than a year and is in his seventh BCT cycle. He said the gas chamber is one of the top three most memorable events for trainees in basic training, up there with the 40-foot high Treadwell Tower and qualifying with the M-16A1 rifles.

"It’s kind of along the lines of thrill-seeking," he said.

"The majority are kind of excited. It’s something you’re scared of, but it’s so scary it’s fun, and it’s so fun it’s scary."

http://www-tradoc.army.mil/pao/Web_specials/WarriorEthos/031704.htm

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The nature of missions being conducted in Iraq right now requires Soldiers to have close contact with the civilian populace, where a lack of combatives skills can be a major concern, said Maj. Jon Segars, 3rd Brigade training and operations officer

Soldiers are taught to dominate opponents by seizing the initiative in a fight rather than reacting to enemy attacks as most civilian self-defense courses teach.

Sgt. 1st Class Jeremy Brown, a Combatives School instructor, said the school is using feedback from Soldiers who were deployed to Iraq, Afghanistan and the Balkans through after-action interviews to further develop the curriculum. For example, the Soldiers felt they weren’t prepared to deal with large numbers of detainees.

The course teaches Soldiers to fight, but it also has an indirect effect on the Soldiers, he said. It also instills aggressiveness and confidence in the Soldier and embodies what Warrior Ethos represents, he said.

http://www-tradoc.army.mil/pao/Web_specials/WarriorEthos/032804.htm

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"I am a Warrior and a member of a team. I stand ready to deploy, engage and destroy the enemies of the United States of America, states the Soldiers Creed. These words will subconsciously remind Soldiers and leaders they have to be comfortable with uncertainty", Simpson said.

http://www-tradoc.army.mil/pao/Web_specials/WarriorEthos/033504.htm

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Not interested in directing a research project, rather with getting results as quickly as they can be made available, Cloy said his office uses resources from the civilian sector as well as the military.

The future force Soldier is equipped for battle, physically but also spiritually, morally and ethically, Cloy said. This Soldier is able to accept and adapt to cultural as well as environmental differences.

"We research how to teach Soldiers what they believe in Army Values and how those values work in other countries, like Iraq. We don’t teach Soldiers that in basic training: how to deal with people who think differently," said Cloy. "The human dimension is cognitive, psychological, physiological and spiritual. It’s an attitude, a warfighter attitude. That’s why we say it’s ‘from the skin in.’"

http://www-tradoc.army.mil/pao/Web_specials/WarriorEthos/036304.htm

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Fifty percent of Drill Sergeant School is conducted in classrooms. There, candidates must learn not only what their training must produce but what priority to give motivation to fight. Because drill sergeants train new Soldiers, the huge responsibility for creating the right mindset rests solely on their shoulders.

http://www-tradoc.army.mil/pao/Web_specials/WarriorEthos/036504.htm

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The training has made Chan ready, he said. "The warrior in me was dormant, and it was awakened by my drill sergeants. I will fight for my country," he said.

Chan joined the Army, he said, because three of his friends and a cousin were killed in the attacks on the World Trade Center Sept. 11, 2001.

"It was a horrible experience. If there was anything I could do, this was it," he said.


http://www-tradoc.army.mil/pao/Web_specials/WarriorEthos/021804.htm

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This is a series about change.

How a 17-year-old from Nettleton, "Mis’sippi," is changed from a boy to a man in less than one-fourth the amount of time it will take for his unborn child to grow from an egg to a baby in his fiancee’s womb.

It’s about training warriors.

http://www-tradoc.army.mil/pao/Web_specials/WarriorEthos/023704.htm

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"Three hundred thousand Soldiers are deployed right now and doing things not just in Iraq and Afghanistan, but all over the globe. It’s incredible," Schoomaker said. "And these people are operating on intent. I’ve been there, looked them in the eye. And what I recognize is what I’ve seen many, many times over: a degree of will, the ability to kill and the kinds of things we have got to be able to do on the battlefield to win."

The Army’s plan is to have Warrior Ethos totally embedded into every Soldier by Fiscal Year 2006. This includes making it part of basic and AIT for new Soldiers, and potentially part of the Noncommissioned Officer Evaluation System and Officer Evaluation System as well. By implementing Warrior Ethos worldwide, the Army will enhance the warrior spirit in the world’s greatest fighting force, enabling Soldiers to be more ready to fight and win anytime, in any conditions, anywhere in the world
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:09 PM
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1. For a civilian who has never served
I am sure this sounds terrible, but war is terrible.

The problems are systemic, but they have nothing to do with
the Warrior Ethos. Training such as this one has existed in
any fighting force, that is somewhat organized that is, from the
dawn of orgamized warfare.


This is a new way to instill the survival skills needed in new
soldiers, from the dawn of history.

Now reading the report from General Taquba, it has NOTHING to do with this training... I repeat NOTHING to do with this.

I wish you could see it, and I hope you never have to really find
out why I have written what I have written. If it ever comes down
to it, you will realize soon why this kind of training is necessary.

Yep in case you don't know it, been there, done that.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-04-04 11:46 PM
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2. "the report from General Taquba"
What is this that you are reading?

searched but couldn't find anything...
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Tinoire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 03:58 PM
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3. Great post Must_B_Free / Book-marking this one for sure!
Well they've awakened the "inner warriors" - no doubt in anyone's mind.

Did we have any help with this or is this something we dreamed up all alone. Something is just not smelling right here.

Scary stuff. It's as if Hitler had come back to train the troops. There was nothing fun about the gas chamber at all. Scary stuff.

You can see more results of this training in this story:

U.S. Troops Said to Mistreat Elder Iraqi
By SUE LEEMAN, Associated Press Writer

LONDON - U.S. soldiers who detained an elderly Iraqi woman last year placed a harness on her, made her crawl on all fours and rode her like a donkey, Prime Minister Tony Blair (news - web sites)'s personal human rights envoy to Iraq (news - web sites) said Wednesday.

The envoy, legislator Ann Clwyd, said she had investigated the claims of the woman in her 70s and believed they were true.

During five visits to Iraq in the last 18 months, Clwyd said, she stopped at British and U.S. jails, including Abu Ghraib, and questioned everyone she could about the woman's claims. But she did not say whether the people questioned included U.S. forces or commanders.

Asked for details, Clwyd said during a telephone interview with The Associated Press that she "didn't want to harp on the case because as far as I'm concerned it's been resolved."

(more)

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20040505/ap_on_re_eu/britain_iraq_us_prisoner_abuse


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=532957#

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Gordon25 Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-05-04 04:46 PM
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4. Doesn't come from Warrior Ethos, but from CIA Manual
This treatment of prisoners is not the result of the Warrior Ethos program, but is standard operating procedure from a CIA interrogation manual. Probably pushed a bit, but right out of the manual.

<snip> L. Conclusion

A brief summary of the foregoing may help to pull the major concepts of coercive interrogation together:

1. The principal coercive techniques are arrest, detention, the deprivation of sensory stimuli, threats and fear, debility, pain, heightened suggestibility and hypnosis, and drugs.

2. If a coercive technique is to be used, or if two or more are to be employed jointly, they should be chosen for their effect upon the individual and carefully selected to match his personality.

3. The usual effect of coercion is regression. The interrogatee's mature defenses crumbles as he becomes more childlike. During the process of regression the subject may experience feelings of guilt, and it is usually useful to intensify these. <snip>

http://www.parascope.com/articles/0397/kubark06.htm

Apparently, from what I have read thus far, it was civilian contractors to Military Intelligence and CIA operatives calling for this treatment. Which, by the way, in no way absolves the individual military perpetrators of their responsibilities for their actions. When I went through Marine Corps boot camp one of the first things I was taught was that it was as much my duty to refuse to obey illegal orders and to report such orders to a higher command, as it was to obey all legal orders.

Regarding the Warrior's Ethos program and similar training programs you might find some posts in the thread here interesting.
www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1534048

Gordon25

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