Anybody watching MTP now? Levin on.

[LittleApple81]

Is Bush responsible? Levin: he helped by repudiating the use of the Geneva convention for "war on terror" prisoners.

[LittleApple81]

1. repug. Graham: it's not just a few bad apples.

Karpinski saying that they were following directions of MP it is a very delicate issue and should be investigated.

[Failure]

35. if, as Levin says, that the little guys were just cogs in a machine,

who shouldn't take the fall,do you think he's including pointer girl and her baby daddy in that statement?

[LittleApple81]

2. Clark: Geneva convention was designed to protect our soldiers

There is more than a systemic failure; it goes all the way to the top. Bush says he is the commander in chief and he should take responsibility.

[LittleApple81]

3. Repug Warner: We have to be cautious and not speculate

because 99.9% of soldiers are honorable and behind our goals in iraq.

[OKNancy]

4. Clark kicked Bush ass

He is the only one to say...It goes to the top. Bush touts himself as Commander in Chief and it is his responsibility.

Lindsey Graham sounds reasonable....for a Republican, anyway.

On edit: comment about Graham....I take it back.

[LittleApple81]

6. Now Graham saying that it would be political to "attack" Bush.

This is not about the Geneva convention????

[LittleApple81]

8. He is upset about getting off Rumsfeld's back (Cheney statement)

hearings are not about getting on Rumsfeld's back.

[Direckshun]

17. I agree, plus...

Bush sounded like he was reading off a paper.

Clark sounded conversational.

I'm liking him for a VP candidate more and more and more. :)

[LittleApple81]

5. Clark: important issue: how are the US perceived.

He supports the troops. When something like this happens it goes to the top: what did he know, what atmosphere did the president create.

[SayitAintSo]

7. Graham posturing ...."above politics"

:puke:

[hippywife]

10. More than just posturing

spreading more misinformation about how we should not be extending the Geneva Conventions to Al Qaeda.

Arrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[emulatorloo]

45. and implying that the prisoners in iraq were Al Qaeda. . . .n/t

[LittleApple81]

9. Levin: in favor if Rumsfeld resignation but he is not calling for it

because his resignation would not correct the errors of this administration (I think he thinks Wolfowitz would take over).

[SayitAintSo]

14. I fear that too.... the devil you know (Rummy) may be better !!!! n/t

[hang a left]

40. I read somewhere yesterday that they think Armitage would

get the reigns.

[LittleApple81]

11. Warner: I worked with Rumsfeld. He is honest, strong... eeeewwwww!

[spanone]

24. Warner is an ass

[SayitAintSo]

12. Levin will not call for Rummy's resignation unless it means a change in

policy ...seems to doubt it will ....goes higher up .... setting the stage ...

[JohnnyRingo]

13. I noticed that lately

Most of the politicos are calling for Rumsfeld to stay.
The repubs think he'll be an asset....The Dems know this evil idiot isn't done embarassing the admin.

[LittleApple81]

15. Tabuga report mentioned by Russert: Blaming dirt-poor soldiers.

No instruction training, few or any copies of Geneva convention are given to the prison personnel.
NYT: Frederick's father: they are afraid his son would be taking the fall for administration. Contacted the army to avoid 60 minutes publishing the pictures but because they wanted to blame soldiers perceived to be dirt-poor Americans without real recourse they allowed the pictures to be broadcast.

[LittleApple81]

18. Graham: they will be appointed defenders (i.e., everything will be honky-

dory.)

[LittleApple81]

19. Levin: soldiers will not take the fall because it is a more systemic

problem, including the CIA. Must follow thread to where it leads.

[LittleApple81]

16. Clark: No link between AlQaida and Saddam. Now the only argument

of the administration is TO DO GOOD in Iraq. This issue goes directly to the heart of the doing good argument.

[LittleApple81]

20. Russert: clip of McCain statements. There are more films and pictures.

Warner: public drifted away during the Vietnam war. He hopes it will not happen now.
The film and pictures shown to Congress in sealed rooms because it is confidential. He does not know if they will be made available to the public.

[LittleApple81]

21. Graham wants to put everything on the table: it is about Murder and

torture. Bring it out into the open and deal with it. Because otherwise we won't be able to say that we deal with problems.
Levin wants the public should also see the movies and pictures. We need to deal with the issues in the open.

[calimary]

47. Aw, what a shame that this would freeze people away from support

for this DAMNED FUCKING WAR!!! What a tragedy THAT would be!

I saw him, briefly, on TV this morning, and my first thought was - NO WONDER ELIZABETH TAYLOR DUMPED YOUR PATHETIC, SORRY, SYCOPHANTIC ASS! EEEEWWWW! I wouldn't want to be married to him, either!!!

[LittleApple81]

22. Russert: Murtha: definite problems with the possibility of WINNING the

war.
Democratic Iraq is a loss cause.

[LittleApple81]

23. Clark: 50/50 chance of catastrophic result: Iraqi people will say

get out.
Without action this will happen.
Negroponte cannot deal with that country by himself.
Warner: disagrees with Clark. eeewwwww.

[LittleApple81]

25. Graham, if we lose here is essential. WH: stop saying to get off

Rumsfeld's back.

[Auntie Bush]

28. Great job LittleApple. Thanks!

[LittleApple81]

26. Levin: June 30th date: international community has to come in.

American Ambassador cannot be running the show. He agrees with Clark.
This war has been a series of errors from the beginning.

[LittleApple81]

27. Graham we need MORE TROOPS.

[OKNancy]

29. Graham

confuses me sometimes, but then I remember....my dad was a lawyer and really good lawyers have a strong belief in "THE LAW". That is, the law is above all other things - it's amost biblical to them.

[maryallen]

41. Graham showed his true colors:

How could he "support the law" without supporting the Geneva Conventions? He can't.

He made two digs at Clark for his attacks on the president. Notice that Wes was not given time on Bug Eyes' program to respond to Graham.

[OKNancy]

30. Wrap up

Levin was good and diplomatic. Warner was an ass and defended the adminstration when possible. Graham was an enigma...believes in the law, get out the bad stuff, but says don't make it political.
Of all the panelists, Clark was the most political. He was constantly going back to politics.....never came right out and said it directly, but everyone knows what he meant, ie. Bush is a fuck up and there needs to be a change in the administration.

[Auntie Bush]

33. Clark was absolutely right!

"Bush is a fuck up and there needs to be a change in the administration."
Very VP sounding! I think he is already our VP. I can't possibly imagine anyone else doing a better job or having more influence in world opinion on this matter.

[DoYouEverWonder]

38. Or will have the support of the military

The DOD is in a shambles right now, thanks to Rummie and his civilians. Clark is one of the few people who can fix it and the only way he can do that is if he is VP.

[JohnnyRingo]

31. C'mon Carville !

Grow a set....Let's divorce that woman !

[Adelante]

32. Great reporting, LittleApple

Thanks very much. :D

[Failure]

34. hey good morning all./....lovin' clark on MTP....hating graham...

[74dodgedart]

36. I thought Graham did pretty good

I think it was very telling that Warner could not say who was in charge of the interrogations..Even at this late a date.

I'm from SC and I'm not a Graham fan but, I think he is crossing party lines here. He and McCain were the only two repubs to ask tough questions at the hearings.

[Ninchik]

37. I'm not hating Graham at all.

He punched out Cheney for daring to tell Congress what to do "Get off his back."

This is basically telling the administration this investigation is going forward and they can stuff it.

During the hearing, he was adamant that he would NOT be happy to see only lower ranks pay for this.

[Gin]

39. George Stepanopolis has an attorney for one of the guards on now..

he also showed a new picture with 2 dogs in it, and a naked prisoner.

[Failure]

42. it's all show, IMO...just like sometimes rush spinball gets on

repigs sometimes...

[DemCam]

43. Graham is intriguing...

OKNancy's comments perhaps shed some light on his "appearance" of acting with integrity. He sometimes gave this appearance during the impeachment hearings...and then, he would get a strange glint in his eye and it would become apparent that he is an idealogue and a zealot.

My Republican husband thinks he is just an opportunist. Interesting.

[74dodgedart]

46. I think he sees the ship is sinking. He was a McCain supporter..

He knows military law, and I think wants to come down onthe right side of this... If there truly are more bad things to come out (murder, rape) anyone who was soft on this is going to take a dive.

[Jai4WKC08]

44. Clark spoke from a position of strength

It was interesting to watch all three Senators taking what Clark said seriously, even deferring to his opinions to some extent (well, completely in Levin's case, as you would expect). Certainly, none felt they could ignore him or blow him off. They know Clark's a guy they will have to deal with in some capacity if Kerry wins in November.

[robbedvoter]

48. Is there a transcript?

I want to find the quote about the catastrophic early ending of the mission...