Lynndie England Photo: What the Heck is on the Table?

[JCMach1]

Is that a torture instrument... i.e. metal modelling knife with razor blade tip? No doubt perfect for fingernail work...

Don't forget the white chair?


We have entered the mouth of hell... :(

[rumguy]

1. I don't know what's on the table but that dude's eyes are creepy as hell

[alphafemale]

26. Actually they both look they've had some "Turkish Delight"

Him way more than her. He looks about 2 minutes from going to La-La land for about 17 hours.

[JCMach1]

28. that's what is so messed up in the picture... she is also covering

her lower body with a jacket...

Cold?

I don't think so.

[alphafemale]

32. Given the bits and pieces we've heard?

She needed to cover her lap with something since she probsably wasn't completely in uniform?

Possibly.

[Scairp]

34. Uh guys...

Those are her trousers. You can see her belt. She is completely clothed in this picture.

[alphafemale]

35. So she has one giant lumpy leg?

Those aren't pants.

[RoyGBiv]

42. Looks to me like her leg is crossed. n/t

[JCMach1]

46. On second thought, she has something thick in her lap to protect

her from something caustic... in addition to her pants and belt on...

:(

[readmylips]

2. The flashliht on the table and the same white chair...

connect the dots.

[No2W2004]

3. AHHHH! It's the eeeeeevilllll chair again!!!!

One thing on the table is cheetos.

[maggrwaggr]

4. looks like a flashlight and a pen

which I suppose could easily be instruments of torture. Especially from what we can infer.

But probably not in this case.

Where'd that picture come from? Hadn't seen it.

[Fenris]

5. It looks like a flashlight, a pen, some cheetos.

[JCMach1]

9. it looks to me like a modelling knife (not a pen)

the round kind with the razor blade tips.

[Wonk]

15. Another question: what's in the beaker in her hand?

Looks to me like a beaker, anyway, and not a glass.



They weren't bloodletting the prisoners, were they? I'm almost to the point where I'd rather not know...

[JCMach1]

17. It's dark red, whatever the substance... this COULD be a psyops

picture with a VERY clear implication.

[JCMach1]

19. that is not a napkin... it's a wound dressing... the rest of the pile

is on the table

:puke:

[DoNotRefill]

33. Where in the HELL do you people come UP with this crap?

wound dressing?!? It's a fucking pad of paper on the table, next to the map.

[JCMach1]

50. Gause pads and a stack of them... that is not paper

the item on her hand is exactly the same size...

[readmylips]

24. Whatever is in the glass...

looks like brandy sneefer, the woman doesn't want to get in on her hands. She's protecting her hands with a papertowel or a cloth. I don't think that it's a hot cup of coffee, a cold rum and coke or a merlot. England wears brown t-shirt and guy wears green. What is the meaning of the different colors.

[JCMach1]

25. standard army issue and desert camo

no mystery there

[TryingToWarnYou]

66. Its not Red...its likely coffee NT

[7th_Sephiroth]

36. a form of acid

why else would she have the paper or field dressing under it?

[JCMach1]

Yikes, didn't consider that-- Nitric Acid

Nitric (Aqua fortis, or Red spirit of Nitre): Usually colourless, though the presence of oxides of nitrogen can impart a reddish-brown tint. The usual strength of the acid (HNO3) is 70% weight, although the powerful brownish 'fuming' nitric acid contains 94%. Nitric acid is obtained either by the action of sulphuric acid on potassium nitrate, or by the oxidation of ammonia. Commercially used in the manufacture of plastics, dyes and fertilizer nitrates, as well as explosives (nitroglycerine). Nitric is the only acid that will dissolve gold (hence the 'acid test'), and it is this property of dissolving metals that has caused nitric acid to be viewed unfavourably for use in acid-baths.


Nevertheless, a decidedly deadly use for it was found by the notorious Dr Geza de Kaplany. De Kaplany was a thirty six year old Hungarian anaesthetist living and practicing in California and married to a model whose physical beauty he was insanely jealous. In August 1962, neighbours were so upset by the constant moaning and wailing sounds coming from the direction of the de Kaplany residence that the police were called in, and the source of the disturbance traced to Mrs Hanja de Kaplany.


In order, it seems, that no other man should ever enjoy his wife's beauty, de Kaplany had turned their bedroom into a virtual torture chamber. Tying Hanja to the bed, de Kaplany had made cut marks down and across her body and then systematically poured acid into the wounds. A note found in the room instructed the agonised woman: "If you want to live - do not shout; do what I tell you to or else you will die." Thirty six hours after her admittance to hospital for emergency treatment Hanja de Kaplany did die. At the scene of her ordeal, police found three one pint bottles containing hydrochloric, sulphuric and nitric acid - the latter was almost empty, the bed had become a mass of soggy, disintegrating sheets and the carpet was burned through by the action of the acid. Although de Kaplany was eventually sentenced to life imprisonment for murder, he was paroled in 1976, in one of the most controversial decisions in Californian legal history...

http://www.shyscyberchamber.com/a_acid.asp

[7th_Sephiroth]

39. will it come out

that prisoners were tortured with acid? Probably, and probably alot worse, too

[JCMach1]

45. This stuff was common under Saddam... we may even have used

a supply already there... :(

[7th_Sephiroth]

44. i mean think about it

it almost has to be acid, if it were a drink why the protection, and why would she drink it from a beaker, surely there are better, less unusual things to drink from.

[JCMach1]

54. Precisely...

I am not automatically a tinfoilhatter...

I won't even engage in a chair discussion... these are quite common.

What initially struck me about this picture was that the sick stuff wasn't so obvious. For me, that made it all the more horrific.

[7th_Sephiroth]

56. i gueszs most ppl take a look and think

booze (wich it still well could be, but i dont think it is)

[QC]

73. Are there any opaque black acids?

Honest question here, as I'm not a chemist.

[kittykitty]

65. Exactly my observation! (nt)

[icymist]

6. Which do you mean? The flashlight, the pen, certainly not the ...

Cheetoes! I'm beginning to think that there's more than one white chair...kinda of like official issue or something like that.

[JCMach1]

7. I see cheese snacks, a flashlight and some sharp

metal objects...

This is obviously a HOLDING cell of some kind.

[QC]

8. OMG! IT IS THE SAME CHAIR!

That chair sure does get around a lot.

[No2W2004]

11. The Chair....

EEEEEVVIIIILLLL!

[Pachamama]

10. I'll never be able to look at a white plastic garden chair the same again

Sorry, couldn't resist...those White chairs are getting creepy...

[QC]

12. They sell them at the Dollar General here in town.

Now I will shiver every time I walk past them.

[Mick Knox]

13. LOL I feel you

I dont buy the theories.. but that damn chair from hell is throwing me for a loop. I have 4 of them AND the table in my yard.

Edit:

I think the torture instrument is a pen.

[QC]

14. I don't mean to alarm you or anything,

but you should throw away those chairs right now. They're evil!

[Mick Knox]

16. AHHHHHHHHHH I ADMIT IT

I did it.

just had to get that off my chest.

[DoNotRefill]

29. You have the chair? CONFESS, HEATHEN!!!

You must have killed and tortured EVERYBODY!!!!!

Oh, the Horror....the Horror...white lawn chairs....The Horror...

:evilgrin:

(PS, don't feel bad, I've got the Lawn Chairs from Hell too... )

[Syrinx]

18. looks like an xacto knife, yes

[JCMach1]

20. please read 17-19 This is a PSYOPS picture

made to show the prisoners what will happen to them...

[Mick Knox]

21. What will happen to them?

They will get to sit in a chair smiling with a soda in their hand having a grand time?

:eyes:

[JCMach1]

22. Not soda... read above

[Mick Knox]

23. *sigh* good night DU

Its cherry coke then.

Thats no psyops pic.

Too much lately.

[DoNotRefill]

30. Ummm...

looking at the picture, the "xacto knife" has both a pocket clip and a plunger at the far end. I guess those devious MPs are disguising their xacto knives now as ordinary writing implements...but the pen has always been mightier than the sword (unless you try to parry a sword blow with a pen, in which case, the sword is mightier than the pen.)

[Dogmudgeon]

27. A kind word or three for Lynndie England

I have no love for the prodigal PFC England. She done wrong, and there's no way for her to escape that verdict, even if she was untrained, stupid, and Only Following Orders. She may deserve rebuke and punishment for her part in the abuse of the prisoners of Abu Ghraib, but in the interest of perpective, look at what she faces:

1. She will be -- and actually is being -- blamed for being the single "bad apple" that infected the whole bunch. (In spite of the fact that she wasn't even the chief honcho in this debacle -- and it came about because of dereliction on the part of Rumsfeld, the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and CENCOM.)

2. She will be court-martialed, possibly thrown into the stockade, and probably forfeit much of her military pay. (In spite of the fact that most of her co-defendants will likely be exonerated, especially the officers.)

3. Her name will be poison on the lips of millions of people around the world. (In spite of the fact that nobody -- not even most of us here at DU -- could tell you the name of any of the other perps.)

4. She will become the latest Evil Woman put on display by the morally upright American press, and figure in the miserable fantasies of millions of people, as much as Tonya Harding, Jane Fonda, and Aimee Semple MacPherson (among others) did before her.

Lynndie England will bear most of the public humiliation and military discipline. It will leave dozens of other Abu Ghraib abusers free from legal jeopardy and public notoriety. It will allow Shrub and Rummy and the rest of the gang to point her out and proclaim that PFC England is the sole vessel of evil and is being exorcised from the "Coalition". And even a lot of us will miss the criminality of a cover-up using PFC England as a decoy.

Let Lynndie England "take her medicine" -- but make sure that everybody gets a well-deserved dose of it.

A spoonful for Lynndie England; a keg for George W. Bush.

--bkl

[JCMach1]

31. I agree 100%--

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[Cat Atomic]

38. That chair looks alot like this chair:

[JCMach1]

40. These are ALL OVER the Middle-east

[TreasonousBastard]

41. Gee-- two pens...

a flashlight, a couple of film developing reels, an ashtray. And a resin lawn chair just like any of about 30 million out there.

Sure looks like a chamber of horrors to me.

The Cheetos, though, bother me. Undoubtedly an instrument of torture designed to shove hated American culture down their throats.

One cheese puff at a time.

[Wonk]

43. The torture appologists are doing a piss poor job of pretending that these

other pics don't exist as well.



These were allowed to be released primarily because they AREN'T AS DAMNING as some that are still classified, remember.

[TreasonousBastard]

57. The "torture apologists"...

are dead meat. Everyone knows what happened there, and there's no deniability.

The Army has an MOS for interrogator, actually two, and the rules are strict-- this stuff is absolutely illegal. The rules are also often broken when the CIA steps in, as they apparently did here. It's not the sort of thing they want to talk about much.

Bet on seeing a few show trials, and they'll hope everyone thinks it's all over. Worse photos wouldn't make much of a difference.

[Guy_Montag]

49. Thank you for some common sense,

some people are too keen to see the worst.

That doesn't mean that there wasn't torture. But for gods' sake there is nothing sinister in this photo except the two scapegoats.

[JCMach1]

53. open your eyes...

[drfemoe]

47. Does this look like any "pregnancy"

you've ever seen? Looks more like a pillow to me ... that's not how ultrasounds are performed either. Can anyone read that screen?



http://www.lnreview.co.uk/links/001790.php

[JCMach1]

48. obvious photoshop

[drfemoe]

51. how so? n/t

[JCMach1]

52. skintones don't match and sharp contrast around the head

as if surgically removed...

sorry about the gallows humor.

http://www.bloggerheads.com/

The source is a KNOWN photoshopper.

[theHandpuppet]

58. Disagree...

Any artist can tell you that the difference in skin tones (values) is EXACTLY what you would get when two heads are facing a single light source at different angles. I would actually suspect photoshopping IF they had been carefully matched to have the same skin tones, which is what most folks would expect.

The light source is obvious by the shadow cast by LE's right ear and neck onto the shoulder of the soldier behind her. England's head is tilted slightly upwards towards the source of the light, whilst the soldier's head is angled down and slightly to the side of the light source. This is consistent with the shadows cast by LE.

[JCMach1]

61. Check the source...!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[drfemoe]

63. misunderstanding

I interjected another photo into the thread, which he is referring to . no "two soldiers" in the one I posted .. get it? It was late, I went OT ..

[slaveplanet]

55. And the baby

looks like something Sigourney Weaver battled

[ima_sinnic]

59. at this moment (May 2004) she is only 5 months pregnant

--that's gonna be one helluva kid in 4 more months--NOT

[Scout]

62. green sandbag over the fetus head in the sonogram

yeah, that's a real pregnancy all right ... NOT!

[Lydia Leftcoast]

64. Yeah, ultrasound is done on bare skin

not through layers of sheets.

:shrug:

[Disturbed]

60. Only Following Orders.

It has been leaked that there is a Video of her having sex with several of her fellow soldiers in front of naked Iraqi detainees. Think she was ordered to do that, as well? I saw an interivew with her and she sure did not seem remorseful in the least.

She'll prolly have a career in the porn industry when she gets out of prison.

[Touchdown]

70. Either porn or wrestling Tanya Harding.

I'll still bet on Harding.:evilgrin:

[leftofthedial]

67. interesting that both of them have darker hands

than Berg's killers

[troublemaker]

68. In intelligence circles it's calld a "pen"

[graham67]

69. Yum...

Cheetos :)

[Norbert]

71. If it's a choice between romping with her or Ann Coulter...

I think I'd live on a mountain alone in Tibet.

[Kusala]

72. A drink, a pen, some cheetos, a flashlight

It's time to make a porn video!!

I've got an idea..let's bring in some prisoners to watch!