MTP: Powell (R), Biden (D) and McCain (R) -- Which One...

[GiovanniC]

Is more like a Democrat?

Fuckin' McCain.

I want to punch Biden in the face. "I told President Bush yesterday that he sits in a chair that is respected all over the world and he has a reputation for moral clarity."

McCain -- slams Powell about the camera thing.

[Champ]

1. I say McCain as well

He voted in favor of the democratic's version of Homeland Security. That won alot of points with me seeing how very few republicans voted for it.

On edit: Plus he is the only politician I ever met.

[madrchsod]

2. always remember

that MC Cain was fucked over by bush during 2000 election campaign, do you think john is the kind of guy that forgets?
also he`s john stewart`s fav republican and he`s
really at ease when he`s on with john..

[GiovanniC]

4. No, I Realize That

I know about half the people here agree with me and half disagree, but I respect John McCain. The point I was making was that Biden, who is the only one with a (D) after his name, isn't acting like much of a Democrat (or, maybe he's acting TOO much like a Democrat) when he's praising Bush even with ample opportunity to voice some opposition to him, talking about Bush's "leadership" and "moral clarity".

While John McCain is the only one really saying much of substance that's critical of Bush.

[Bush_Sucks]

3. HAHA!! That joke about his camera drifting..

Man, he's hilarious. It reminded me of that SNL sketch they did when he hosted.

[LittleApple81]

5. Even before the show I knew that out of the three, McCain was the most

liberal. How sad. But Biden has driven me NUTS for a long time. What is wrong with him? Actually, what is wrong with our party?

[OKNancy]

7. I usually agee with most of your posts

and I respect your opinions......but you are wrong on this one. McCain is not liberal and he certainly isn't more liberal than Biden. I realized it is fashionable on DU to slam Biden and other centrist Dems, but a centrist Dem is way way better than any Republican and that includes Snowe and Collins and any other Republican.

Please check out the voting records of McCain and Biden, or Snowe and Collins vs Landrieu and even Lieberman.

Biden has a higher liberal voting record than Edwards for goodness sake.

http://www.adaction.org/2003senatevr.htm

[skooooo]

10. Why doesn't Biden fight for democrats?

It seems like he's such an apologist. Maybe his voting record isn't so bad, but the public persona he's cultivated does not jibe with what I consider to be the role of the Democrat leader in the Senate.

He's wimpy, and I don't like him! It has nothing to do with having "moderate democratic views".

[LittleApple81]

11. Thanks for the correction. I am acting like a mother that wants

her children to be BETTER than any other kid on the block. And then when that does not happen, she cites the example of another child she thinks is doing better even if not all the evidence is in.
I WANT MY DEMOCRATIC "CHILDREN" to have guts!!!

[OKNancy]

12. Biden likes attention

I get irritated with him too, but I think Biden likes to be on teevee. He knows that if he shows moderation, i.e., not be too nasty to Bush, that he will get invited on those shows. I have seen him get really critical of the administration however. It's just that really partisans like us tend to forget those times and concentrate on when he is conciliatory.

Just in the few minutes since your post, I did a quick google....

For example, here is a CNN story dated May 10

Monday morning, Sen. Joseph Biden, D-Delaware, described Rumsfeld as "irrelevant" to the problems facing the United States in Iraq, in light of the scandal now shaking the Defense Department.

"I don't care if Rumsfeld goes or stays," Biden, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, told CNN.

"I think he's irrelevant, quite frankly. He's been wrong so many times, as the vice president has been."

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/05/10/rumsfeld.congress/


Here is another:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A top Senate Democrat said on Sunday that the Bush administration did not have a coherent policy on North Korea, which U.S. officials suspect may have built a second secret facility for producing weapons-grade plutonium.

"There is no policy," said Sen. Joseph Biden of Delaware, the top Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, on NBC's "Meet the Press."

http://www.freenorthkorea.net/archives/freenorthkorea/000341.html


Another:
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sen. Joe Biden, the ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, sharply chastised Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz Tuesday over the administration's decision not to reveal in the budget how much money it will cost to maintain the U.S. military presence in Iraqi next year.

The administration says it will not include a funding request in the 2004 budget but will wait to submit a supplemental budget later.

During Tuesday's hearing Biden asked Wolfowitz "When're you guys starting to be honest with us?" He later amended the word "honest" to "candor."
http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/30/cnna.irq.biden/index.html

[KharmaTrain]

14. His Role: Good Cop

Biden's played this game a long time...he's the Democrat Repugnicans will think is credible...kinda how some here view McCain...and when he invokes Bunnypants, he's playing that card. Biden's spin is to offer Kerry and others cover from the regime's inevitable claim that he's using any and every issue as being partisan.

[OKNancy]

18. EGG-zackly

you got it.

[LittleApple81]

6. The McNamara segment was....wow...cold! n/t

[slor]

8. I missed his joke...

what did he say?

[GiovanniC]

9. Russert Asked Him About Being John Kerry's VP

And may I first say... :rolleyes: .

Anyway, McCain said something to the effect that he would like the camera to be moved over to a palm tree so he wouldn't have to answer.

[wyldwolf]

13. How about a comparison?

Joe Biden:

Pro-choice

John McCain:

anti-choice. Actually wants to prosecute abortion doctors.

(tell the women of America that Mccain is more democrat!)

Joe Biden:

Civil rights - Voted YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes.

John Mccain:

Civil rights = Voted NO on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes.

(tell gays and lesbians of America that Mccain is more democrat!)

.... are we getting the point yet?

Joe Biden:

Education: Voted NO on school vouchers. Voted NO on requiring schools to allow prayer.

John McCain: Decisions on teaching evolution should be made locally. For school vouchers

Do I really need to go on? You may not like Biden. He may not be "your kind of democrat." But to even imply McCain is more democrat is ludicrous.

http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/Joe_Biden.htm
http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/John_Mccain.htm

[LittleApple81]

15. I can see your point too. I eat my hat. n/t

[wyldwolf]

16. they're good with honey mustard though my wife likes bar-b-que sauce

[Bombtrack]

17. BS. I don't understand the need of people here for partisan pandering and

rhetoric. This was not a partisan political debate. It was a policy discussion from people with reputations of non-partisan fairness and respect in foreign policy.

Biden has a liberal record. He has a 14 lifetime from the American Conservative Union. He lead the fight in the senate for the realist unrushed alternative to the republican Iraq resoltion. But I guess that isn't enough for you people who need constant positive reenforcement from politicians for your party-mindedness

[GiovanniC]

19. No, When a Democrat Licks Bush's Shoes

Gushing about his "Leadership™" and "Moral Clarity™" on a national television show like Meet the Press, which usually provides Monday morning's newspaper quotes and television news sound bites, that makes Bush look good.

Those same newspaper and television news stories won't point out Biden's voting record tomorrow morning, they'll just talk about Biden's comments about Bush's "Leadership".

[wndycty]

21. Grow the hell up. . .

. . .if that is all you heard in Biden's participation it speaks more to your ignorance that Biden's liberal credentials.

[wndycty]

20. Here here. . .

. . .I am watching it now and Biden is jumping all over the mistakes that were made. . .THESE WERE BUSH'S MISTAKES, THE ADMINISTRATIONS MISTAKES. Those who criticize Biden for being fair and gracious need to get a life. . .he as highly critical of what is happening. . .both Biden and McCain are US Senators and we should expect them to carry themselves a certain way.

[GiovanniC]

22. Want to Place Bets

On which of Biden's comments will be in tomorrow's newspaper stories? Do you think it will be comments he made "jumping on administration mistakes", or comments like, "I was just telling the President yesterday that he sits in a chair that is respected around the world and has a worldwide reputation for moral clarity."

[wndycty]

23. Biden was talking about the position of POTUS not Bush the man. . .

. . .what little bus did you take to school?

[GiovanniC]

24. The CHAIR Commands Worldwide Respect

(That's the position), and YOU have a reputation of MORAL CLARITY (that's the person).

Now, you may disagree with me on this, but I happen to think that the "President" does NOT have moral clarity, and if such a reputation exists (though false), that's certainly not something that you say on national television because it HELPS Bush.

The original premise for all of this was that 1) Most people have no idea what Biden's voting record is, nor do they care; and 2) McCain was tougher on Bush on Meet the Press than Biden was. Bush is trying to get a message across to voters that he has strength, courage, moral vision, and leadership -- I think he has none of these things. But Biden is handing him some of those things as if they are a priori truths.

Also, for the record, I will point out that I have stuck to the issue at hand while you have attacked me on a personal level twice now.