This is it Folks. Bush is going DOWN! The Military won't shut up!

[Tinoire]

On edit: Please see Rowdyboy's thread instead. Beaten by a minute :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1648221#1648308

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Lawyer: Top U.S. Officer Knew of Prison Abuse
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Lawyer: Top U.S. Officer Knew of Prison Abuse

By Scott Higham, Joe Stephens and Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, May 22, 2004; 7:05 PM


A military lawyer for a soldier charged in the Abu Ghraib abuse case testified that a captain at the Baghdad prison said the highest-ranking U.S. military officer in Iraq was present during some "interrogations and/or allegations of the prisoner abuse," according to a recording of a military hearing obtained by The Washington Post.

The lawyer said he was told that Lt. Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez and other senior military officers were aware of what was taking place on Tier 1A of Abu Ghraib. The lawyer, Capt. Robert Shuck, also said a sergeant at the prison was prepared to testify that intelligence officers told him the abuse of detainees on the cellblock was "the right thing to do."

Shuck is assigned to defend Staff Sgt. Ivan L. "Chip" Frederick II of the 372nd Military Police Company. During an April 2 hearing that was open to the public, Shuck said the company commander, Capt. Donald J. Reese, was prepared to testify in exchange for immunity. The military prosecutor questioned Shuck about what Reese would say under oath.

"Are you saying that Captain Reese is going to testify that General Sanchez was there and saw this going on?" asked Capt. John McCabe, the military prosecutor.

"That's what he told me," Shuck said. "I am an officer of the court, sir, and I would not lie. I have got two children at home. I'm not going to risk my career."


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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48229-2004May22.html

"We intend to seek immunity for a myriad of officers who are unwilling to participate in the search for the truth without protecting themselves," Myers said today.


THE ROTTEN HOUSE OF CARDS IS CRASHING DOWN!

[trumad]

1. Bombshell if there ever was one....

[Tinoire]

3. Yepper!

I'm just waiting for them to grag you General Barbara Fast, head of Intel, and then it will be all over but the crying ;)

[napi21]

2. I agree. I thought it would be Karpinski, she looks like she

wouldn't take any sh*t from anyone, but it looks like she's going to have a lot of help.

[never cry wolf]

4. Just wait until the CIA and FBI chime in

oh, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please!

[judgegina]

5. I'll say it again...

Iraq is going to be Bush's undoing.

[harshthemellow]

6. Dumb question

I don't see bush mentioned. How does this bring him down?

[trumad]

7. Maybe it's that Commander in Chief thing...

:shrug:

[Trajan]

8. Believe it or not ....

But people of honor feel that leaders who promote policies that lead to dishonor are stained by that dishonor .... and should resign when those policies go awry ...

Are you a person with honor ? ...

[ret5hd]

9. what a tool...

bush's* cheering section has nothing to say but "huh uh" and "did not".

[Stew225]

10. I would suggest a little thing called.....

responsibility as Commander in Chief, although that hasn't been apparent to any RW'er, obviously. When mainstream media awakes with a start from the nightmare it might dawn on them.

[Tinoire]

11. Remember the CEO? The first President with an MBA

who was going to run this country like a corporation (he forgot to mention that it would be Enron-style but let's pass on that one for now). The bick stops on the CEO's desk and we now have Rumsfeld, Feith and Sanchez DIRECTLY implicated.

There's no way Bush didn't know.

[troublemaker]

16. Fortunately there's a shareholders meeting in November

[Tinoire]

20. Lol. That was good! n/t

:thumbsup:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

18. Because you will be the only one left voting for him.

:eyes:

[Jacobin]

19. We all know he never accepts responsibility for anything that goes wrong

And so far the media has given him a figleaf on everything he has screwed up.

One of the president's jobs is what is called "commander in chief" which means he is in charge of the military, the ultimate leader of U.S. forces.

If the top commanders in Iraq participated in and/or watched the torture and told the underlings to do it, and if the WH lawyers were writing memos last summer to the president advising him of how he might get around war crimes and how far the troops could go in the torture, it doesn't take very much imagination for one to suspect that he knew about it, either ordered it or turned a blind eye to it when he knew it was going on, and was in effect commanding that the torture take place.


I think that is what is meant by "bush going down".

We shall see.

He should be tried along with the lot of them as a war criminal

[Trajan]

12. Thanks Tinoire ....

It seems the Ship Of Bush is listing badly, and yet more planks are bustin loose ....

People who think Bush is 'ok' MUST understand how NOT ok he is .....

[Tinoire]

13. Thanks Trajan!

Going to let this thread sink so Rowdyboy's can take over since he beat me to the good news :)

[Q]

14. The 'Commander in Chief' is ultimately responsible...

...and the whole world is becoming aware that the ORDER to torture, brutalize and kill came from the top of the chain of command.

[Must_B_Free]

15. Now I cannot share your laughter, ship of fools

[TheFarseer]

17. Everything is looking so promising

This is on the verge of unraveling for president smirk but watch out. After the prison abuse first broke we had the beheading and the sarin gas shell - brace for the counter-attack.

[Moderator]

21. Duplicate thread

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1648221&mesg_id=1648221