Who REALLY ordered the abuse of Iraqis...Bush?

[cliss]

As soon as the bomb dropped on the prison abuse at Abu Ghraib fell, fingers started pointing immediately. They moved pretty quickly to the low-level GI's in the prison who could conveniently be pinned with incriminating photos. Bush nods his head, "a few bad apples".

Rumsfeld said, "I'm responsible". But was he? He's still got his job. Bush praised him to high heaven outside the Pentagon.

Randi Rhodes says that this is homo-erotic porn. She said every one of the prisons, including Afghanistan and Gitmo, show the exact same techniques. She said that the photos are exactly the same as porn web sites. She claims that Bush ordered it.

http://www.airamericaradio.com/pub/prg4about.htm

I just read an article on CounterPunch where they claim that Bush was responsible for this abuse.

http://www.counterpunch.com/

I don't know what to think. If Bush ordered this, then he must have some gay tendencies. Here are some possibilities:

6 or 7 Bad Apples
The interrogators from CACI, Titan
FBI interrogators
CIA interrogators
Brigadier General Karpinski
General Ricardo Sanchez
General Miller
Steven Cambone, Pentagon
General Boykin, Pentagon
Donald Rumsfeld
George Bush

[spanone]

1. You've got nerve to hold someone responsible, this is the bush* way

The buck stops nowhere.

[DenverDem]

2. w has been slamming his cheerleader buddy's ass since yale.

long running gay affair.

[Texican]

3. I Think This Explains It

You pretty much had to be innocent of anything to get into Bushies "aburu gharabi" prison. The freedom fighters were taken to Baccu or Bif. The people in Abu Ghraib were there because they were innocent. Stlain did the same thing. He arrested the innocent. The irony runs deep with this crowd. Saddam was a Stalinist and so is shrub. Another one of Stalin's gulag tricks was to put professional criminals in charge of the cells, just like shrub. The whole idea is to terrorize the population to keep them subjugated instead of trying to hunt down freedon fighters after the fact. Justin Raimondo has a very good piece on it.




"The terrorist's actions have the effect of imposing shame on the same enemy whose people he kills. A major aim of terrorist operations is to bring about the symbolic emasculation of the enemy's military and civilian populations. Thus, as the enemy non-combatants give in to their fear of terror attacks and huddle passively at home, they become vulnerable to the terrorist's boast, recently broadcast by Hamas: 'We will win, because the Jews love life too much, while we love death." At this point, the terrorist has succeeded in multiple ways: Insult has been added to injury, and his enemies have been psychologically castrated, symbolically re-gendered into women."

If those photos represent anything, symbolic emasculation certainly fits the bill. Forced to wear women's clothing, simulate homosexual acts, and undergo other forms of degradation, it looks like the calculus of shame is being turned back on the Iraqis. Is someone utilizing Gutmann's theories to turn the terrorist equation on its head? By using "the leverage of the Arab shame dynamic," as Gutmann puts it, against the insurgents – and the pool of possible recruits, i.e. the entire Iraqi population – the Coalition can psychologically castrate and "re-gender" them into women, thus effectively pacifying the country (and, eventually, the entire region).

I fully realize that this sounds more than a bit farfetched – but, then again, this whole matter is so completely bonkers that no other explanation makes much sense. It is all too imaginable that some in positions of power latched on to Gutmann's cockamamie theory, or a reasonable facsimile, and ran with it – all the way to the lower rungs of Hell. It's just the kind of "scientific" lunacy that naturally enthralls the bureaucratic-military mind, and, with all Gutmann's talk of "genetic" and "hardwired" tendencies in the Arab mentality, has enormous appeal for the neocons. As the investigation proceeds, and the legal cogs begin to turn, I won't be at all surprised to learn that, far from representing random acts by troubled individuals, what the Abu Ghraib photos document is a sickness that runs deeper, and reaches higher, than any now imagine."

– Justin Raimondo




http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=2490

[lanparty]

4. Legal strategic deployment

It was intentional. Randi found out that they ran these operations out of the Dept of Interior to sidestep a law about convicting American "contractors" who commit war crimes abroad. They aren't covered by the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

There is NO justification for running a defense operation out of the Interior department. This shit came from the HIGHEST levels. They knew what they were going to do. Bush approved ALL of this (though he likely didn't study the details).

[Disturbed]

5. System wide policy

All of BushCo's prisons got the orders to humiliate and torture. The Puppet, Cheney, Rumsfailed et al knew about this and approved.They just didn't figure thousands of photos would surface.