Dr. Edwin C. May Ph.D got a lot of our tax money for ESP "research"

[bobthedrummer]

for 20 years of STARGATE related projects. He knew Col. Michael Aquino rather well.:grr:

Dr. May's bio is interesting as US remote viewers have failed to find WMD's or OBL. Truth is often so much stranger than fiction when you take a look into the shadow government. Astrologers, psychics, shamans, hypnotists, religious fundamentalists, devil worshipers-they are part of "national security", paid for with our taxes.

I wonder if Dr. May knew Condoleeza Rice when he was at SRI?

Dr. Edwin C. May Ph.D.
http://www.parapsych.org/members/e_c_may.html

He was at SAIC for years and is head of the Cognitive Sciences Laboratory-which is "looking" for folks with ESP
http://www.lfr.org/csl/index.shtml

[immoderate]

1. Here's a link at JREF

It's from 2001.
http://www.randi.org/jr/112301.html

On edit: here's an excerpt'

Army funding ended in late 1985, the unit was transferred to Defense Intelligence Agency's Scientific and Technical Intelligence Directorate, and it was redesignated "SUN STREAK." In 1991 it was yet again renamed as "STARGATE" and came under the management of physicist Edwin May, a fervent believer in bump-in-the-night stories.

Over more than two decades, some $20 million were spent on STARGATE and related activities, with $11 million of that budgeted from the mid-1980's to the early 1990's. More than 40 personnel were employed over that period, including about 23 "remote viewers." At its peak during the mid-1980s the program included as many as seven full-time "viewers"sitting in deep thought and scribbling on pads, and as many analytical and support personnel. Three of the viewers reportedly worked at Fort Meade for the CIA from 1990 through July 1995, and were made available to other government agencies which requested their services.

--IMM

[TlalocW]

2. Wow... What a surprise!

Remote viewers and psychics weren't able to locate the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? Good thing they have their incredible track record with helping police find missing people and murder victims... Oh, wait... No, they don't.

One of the things that went more or less un-noticed by the press when Clinton became president was he defunded the research into this quackery. Bush quickly brought it back when he became resident.

TlalocW

[bobthedrummer]

3. Republicans are well known for "voodoo economics", aren't they?

:grr:

[TlalocW]

4. Yeah, but these programs

Have a lot of democratic supporters as well - whether it's more pork for the home state, or if flim-flam is just their interest like it was Nancy Reagan's - stuff like this crosses party lines.

I see James Randi is mentioned in another post in this thread. If you've never seen his Nova special called, "The Secrets of the Psychics," you can order it from the JREF website. The last part of it is about his trip to the newly open former Soviet Union in the early 90s to investigate the psychic claims there. He offers a (too) brief history of why the government got into funding research into this crap - during the Cold War, the USSR was said to have psychic-talented people coming out the wazoo, and the Pentagon was worried about a "psi-gap," so we started throwing money at two-bit con artists.

TlalocW

[aquart]

6. Says the frog god.

[TlalocW]

7. Excuse me...

I'm the water and rain god of the Aztecs. :)

This is more just something based off of one of my majors in college was Spanish, and Tlaloc is much easier than trying to type Huitzilopochtli all the time.

One can be interested in cultures - such as the Aztecs - and all their superstitious hoo-doo without believing it.

TlalocW

[aquart]

17. Yes, you are a rain and water god. And a frog.

Tlaloc. Atl is water. Remember that l and r are pretty interchangeable.

But a better sourcing may be from a pun on the indoeuropean "pleu" meaning "to flow" from which we get "pluvial," and "preu" meaning "to hop" from which we get "frog."

Nahuatl, especially the calendar, can almost be read with a glossary of indoeuropean roots and I haven't heard a good explanation for it yet.

[Dookus]

5. sigh...

and the true-believers wonder why skeptics care about this stuff.

[TlalocW]

8. Simple...

Belief in this stuff holds humanity back. There are only two good things to come out of any of the mystical beliefs over the years - chemistry from alchemy and astronomy from astrology. Nothing benefiting humankind has ever come from believing in clairvoyants, psychics, talkers to the dead, palm readers, etc. as they're all charlatans.

However, I could fill pages and pages of the benefits to humanity that has come from dedicated scientists.

TlalocW

[Dookus]

9. I couldn't agree more

and yet whenever I, and others, challenge such magical beliefs here, the immediate response is "Why do you care what *I* believe?"

You answered the question - we care because it's harmful to humanity.

[immoderate]

11. sign me up...

People don't want to see the value of promoting critical thinking.

--IMM

[Dookus]

14. Come on down to the Meeting Room forum

sometimes. We often discuss the topic.

[Bozita]

10. Any relation to Cliff May, Repug TV male whore?

Smells like the same genes.

[ContinentalOp]

12. Sounds like Wolfram & Hart

(silly Angel reference)

[immoderate]

13. It is like Wolfram and Hart

except we pay for it.

--IMM

[bobthedrummer]

15. Once again I'm struck by the "coincidence" of occult involvement

by the Nazis and the administration of George W. Bush aka The War President. What is the difference between The Thule Society and The Vulcans? It is a culture of death that both espouse imo.

We know a bit about the importance of these cults in the Third Reich thanks to researchers like those at the Wiesenthal Center.

Hitler's Racial Ideology: Content and Occult Sources
http://motic.wiesenthal.com/resources/books/annual3/chap09.html

We know that real Nazis were "recruited" into our national security community from it's origin, we know that a major influence in military intelligence, Col. Michael Aquino, replaced the Church of Satan with his own Temple of Set while on active duty in 1975, we know that scientists like Dr. May were supported for decades by our taxes.

These folks are truly evil imo and capable of anything if left unnamed and unaccountable to the people. It's time to name names and demand accountability from our failed national security community and it's mind control aspirations.

[Alerter_]

16. Col. Michael Aquino just pops up everywhere doesn't he?

[bobthedrummer]

18. He and his wife, Lillith, were investigated-but never charged in The

Presidio molestation case, he was part of the illegal Operation CHAOS program authorized by Richard Nixon as part of the Huston Plan in 1969 (hint: Charles Manson style "families" were simultaneously appearing all over the place in the summer of 1969), he has been mentioned in the Franklin Mint and callboy case, but it isn't just him, it's his "influence" that is the problem imho and life experiences.