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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:18 AM
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Learn to stay alive from this article from Reuters
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L02289755.htm

Five killed, 37 wounded in Baghdad car blast-police

BAGHDAD, June 2 (Reuters) - A car blew up in a busy northern Baghdad neighborhood on Wednesday killing at least five people and wounding more than 35, police and hospital officials said.

A small explosion occurred shortly after a U.S. military convoy passed, wounding a woman passer-by, witnesses said. As a crowd of people rushed to help her, a second, more powerful explosion went off, causing much worse casualties.

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This is a classic example of how to increase casualties using 2 bombs. First blow off a little one to get people running to help and see what is going on. After a crowd gathers the big one goes off. For most people like myself human nature kicks in and we want to help injured people. This may not be the wisest thing to do in a situation like this. I am worried that thanks to Bush's Crusade in Iraq that we are going to suffer some really bad blow back here in the USA. I hope not. But I will be surprised if it doesn't. So please keep this in mind if something happens close to where you may happen to be. Be prepared to use your brain instead of your human instincts to help someone who is injured in this type of situation. It just may save yours and others lives. Because when one person goes running toward something like this other people will follow. It is sad for me to have to say this. But it is necessary. Thanks Chimpy.

Don

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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:21 AM
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1. What A Monstrous, Cowardly Suggestion
"So please keep this in mind if something happens close to where you may happen to be. Be prepared to use your brain instead of your human instincts to help someone who is injured in this type of situation."

I'll follow my heart, thanks all the same.

If I see someone who has been injured and who is crying out for help, do you really think that I would run the other way?

What sort of monstrous talk is this?

To actually encourage people to just leave people to die?
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:42 AM
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4. Our first responders are taught the exact same thing I just said
Edited on Wed Jun-02-04 09:49 AM by NNN0LHI
Guess you missed the police, firemen, and EMT's running like hell away from the Murrah Federal building after it was blown up when they were worried that there may have been a second bomb there? Dead hero's don't save no one.

Don

http://www.okcbombing.org/okcphoto_gallery.htm

Medical assistants, Janet Froelich, left, Wilma Jackson and Kerri Albright run from the federal building after being told another bomb device had been found April 19 at the building where earlier in the morning at 9:02 a.m. a car bomb explosion ripped it apart.




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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 02:10 PM
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11.  So what do you think outinforce?
Edited on Wed Jun-02-04 02:29 PM by NNN0LHI
Do those people in the above photo (post #4) look like monsters and cowards to you? Just curious.


Don

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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:22 AM
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2. Somedays it doesn't pay to get out of bed
But what are you going to do?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 09:22 AM
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3. Dirty vs Dirty
Dirtier vs Dirtier
Dirtiest vs Dirtiest

Goodbye all!

And we think man is superior to the animal?
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electricmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:16 AM
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5. Technique has already been used in the US
One of the abortion clinic bombings in Alabama had a secondary explosion timed for when rescue personnel showed up. I'm sure it's in all the training manuals.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:24 AM
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8. Technique has already been used BY the US
Some of our cluster bombs have delayed fuses that won't go off on impact, but wait until later.

Oh, and they just happened to look like food packets.
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gbwarming Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:18 AM
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6. second bomb is an old tactic
http://www.disastercenter.com/birmingh.htm
Arrest Warrant for Eric Robert Rudolph October 14, 1998

Most people came to the Olympics to enjoy sporting events -- at least one came to destroy that joy. People have the right to come to clinics to consult doctors -- at least one came to interrupt that right. Most people came to the lounge in Atlanta to meet with friends -- at least one came with hatred and the intent to injure, intimidate, and paralyze a great city. On two of these occasions, a second bomb was placed and timed to injure America's first responders.

http://www.policeone.com/policeone/frontend/parser.cfm?object=News&operation=full_news&id=86852
FBI Again Warns of Secondary Explosive Devices, Cautions Officers To Watch Surroundings
05/17/2004

Terrorists may use secondary explosive devices to kill and injure emergency personnel responding to an initial attack, the FBI has again warned U.S. law enforcement agencies.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:25 AM
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9. Yep. Surviving the Secondary Device - the Rules Have Changed
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/odp/docs/video.htm

Produced in partnership with the Georgia Emergency Management Agency, this video is designed to assist public safety officials in making informed decisions concerning the real potential of secondary explosive devices. These devices, which detonate after the initial explosion, target blast survivors, other individuals who converge on the scene, and, more often, responding public safety personnel. The possibility of secondary devices require that public safety officials not only look at how to protect the lives our citizens, but how to protect the responders. This video discusses policies and procedures for effectively responding to and managing a bomb incident, and for better ensuring the safety of the public and the emergency responder.

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davsand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:23 AM
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7. Don, they prey on our humane drives.
What you say makes sense on a practical level. It also goes against the basic human emotional response to run to help someone in need. What many on here are responding to is the repugnance of NOT helping. They are not not necessarily responding to you or the article.

That kind of bombing attack is going to become more common after what shrub has done to this world, and you are right when you lay it at his door. Please understand that the idea of NOT helping is so sickening to folks because of how deeply that response is ingrained.

The terrorists figured it out a long time ago--and they prey on it.


Laura

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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:32 AM
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10. I agree with everything you said Laura
Edited on Wed Jun-02-04 10:35 AM by NNN0LHI
Shit. I cry when I hit a bird with my car. But what some need to understand is that while it is repugnant to them and me to not assist, doing what we think is the right thing actually may make things even worse in the long run. Thanks for your post.

Don

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