O'Reilly: "69 percent of Americans believe the Abu Ghraib story was...

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

...overreported by the media, according to a new Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll. Once again, the folks know what's going on, as the prisoner scandal is being used for political purposes by some news organizations. For facts to back that up, check out my column on billoreilly.com."

"Few Americans condone torture, but surely U.S. intelligence should not have its hands tied by obsolete rules that put all of us in danger."

"Finally, Americans of all political persuasions need to wise up. No matter who the next president is, Al Qaeda will try to kill him and us. These people will not stop until we kill them. There is no doomsday deterrent here, as there is with China and Russia. The Al Qaeda fanatics will happily martyr themselves.

"Talking Points" will continue to pound the table about the danger we are all facing. Hitler and Tojo did not have nuclear weapons. Pakistan and North Korea do. Al Qaeda owns a chunk of Pakistan and has the money to buy from North Korea. Do the math. The ACLU is not looking out for you. Neither are the politicians in Washington who refuse to declare war and effectively control our borders."

[Richardo]

1. O'Reilly is terrified of Mexicans...

He only refers to the US-Mexican border, forgetting, or not caring that the terrorists that *have* been caught, as well as some of the 911 hijackers, crossed through or flew in from Canada.

:wtf: you racist swine.

[sniffa]

4. he referred to them as wetbacks

at Least once.

[Kid_A]

9. I heard he calls them wetbacks sometimes.

I've never actually heard him use that term, but then I can never watch more than a few minutes of his show without wanting to kill either myself or my TV.

[stewert]

12. Transcript.........

O'REILLY: Oh, I am with you there. You've got to get the high-tech stuff there.

But I'll tell you what. I've talked to the commanders, and they tell me, "Look, you deploy us down
there, we stop the drug traffic dead"…

We'd save lives because Mexican wetbacks, whatever you want to call them, the coyotes -- they're not
going to do what they're doing now, so people aren't going to die in the desert. So we save lives, all right,
and we seal it down and make it 100 times harder to come across.

And 79 percent of Americans see that, Congressman. You are in the minority on this one, and so is
President Bush. I'll give you the last word.

REYES: Listen, just because we're in the minority doesn't mean we're not right, Bill. I already told you,
if you're concerned about narcotics, then we need to focus on the ports of entry. That's where 90
percent of the narcotics...

O'REILLY: The Army will be there as well, Congressman. They'll be there with their high-tech gear,
with their nightscopes and everything else.

http://www.oreilly-sucks.com/transcripts/reyesvoreilly.htm

[immoderate]

17. It's all clear now

Bush environment policies promote global warming.

Global warming increases expanse of desert.

Larger desert provides natural barrier against illegal aliens.

Fewer illegal aliens means less terrorism.

I call that a plan!

--IMM

[SidDithers]

19. I call bullshit...

Back it up. Give a link to where 911 hijackers crossed over from Canada.

Or do some research before posting.

Council on Foreign Relations: http://cfrterrorism.org/security/borders.html

<snip>
Did any of the September 11 terrorists sneak into the United States from Canada or Mexico?
No. The INS has concluded that all 19 of the hijackers entered the United States on legal visas, although three had visas that had expired.
<snip>

Sid

[Richardo]

24. Oooo touched a nerve in Canada...

OK I stand corrected - they came in from Portland Maine to Logan. I though I recalled something about that inbound flight being from Canada.

Mea maxima culpa.

O'Reilly still fears Mexicans, however.

[DrWeird]

25. Yeah, that was a big myth after 9-11.

By the blame-canada firsters. They all said the 9-11 hijackers snuck over from Canada, when they had actually been living in Florida for years.

[Richardo]

26. Ah, but we're liberals - we must blame *America* first...

then Canada. :)

[bloom]

2. I was discouraged

to hear Kerry (promoted on FOX) going on and on about terrorists and the nulcear threat.


I guess I'm not fearful enough of "THEM" - I'm still more worried about what the US is doing.

[heidiho]

3. WHEN are the rest of them going to be released???

We know they have them - I want to see them all.

[Justitia]

5. Oh My God!!!! What the hell is going on here????

Ack - these people are absolutely insane!!!

Stop, I want to get off this crazy train!

[lancdem]

7. It's a Fox poll

Keep that in mind.

[jayfish]

6. Release All The The Photos & Videos Now...

you fvcking fascists. I would love to see the "polls" after Nightline ran all of the data for a week. It's so swell that we allow people to form and espouse opinions on a subject based on a sanitized 1% of the available information.

Jay

[ProfessorGAC]

8. Note To Bill: Please, Please, Please Just Shut Up!

That guy could not be any stupider. The president must ASK for a declaration of war. Congress declares it, but only when the executive requests it. They cannot declare it unless they are requested to do so. Error #1.

The ACLU defends all sides. Therefore, they ARE looking out for everyone. Error #2.

Hitler was pursuing nukes, and since nobody had them, they were, on a relative basis, equally dangerous. Error #3

What does Al Qaeda have to do with anything, Bill? Of course we already know they really don't like us, no matter who the president is. And, there is ALWAYS a doomsday deterrent. Errors #4 & 5 for non sequitur.

The "obsolete rules" are meant to protect U.S. soldiers, dumbass. Error #6.

Fox News covered the Abu Ghraib story as much as anyone. What political motivation did they have. Error #7

Check out your column on your website? Error #8. I wouldn't read your drivel with someone else's brain and eyes.

Gee, what a wonderful display of idiocy. Eight major errors in a few paragraphs. If O'Reilly is the one looking out for me, i'd just as soon go it alone. He's too stupid to even understand my concerns, let alone do something about them.
The Professor

[LynneSin]

10. Well, if Fox News reports it, it must be true

:crazy:

[FleshCartoon]

11. Oh, Really?

There's reason he's called that, isn't there?

[PROGRESSIVE1]

13. Well, 80% of Americans found the behavior unacceptable!

Only Fox "News" would support torture.

:puke:

[scottcsmith]

18. Remember, to right-wingers, it isn't torture

I'm sure this is not a complete list, but here are some of the excuses I've heard to defend the torture at Abu Ghraib.

Rush Limbaugh:
"I'm talking about people having a good time, these people, you ever heard of emotional release? You ever heard of need to blow some steam off?"

"This is no different than what happens at the Skulls and Bones initiation."

"You know, if you look at -- if you, really, if you look at these pictures, I mean, I don't know if it's just me, but it looks just like anything you'd see Madonna, or Britney Spears do on stage."

Mega-dittos, Rush! Yes, Madonna has frequently stacked naked Iraqi men into pyramids on tour, and for fun, sodomized a few with "glo-sticks." It's all good, clean fun.

"So while all this is going on, the Democrats are claiming this is a chain-of-command thing, and they're trying to get this linked all the way to Bush, this is happening because of Bush's example, this is happening because Bush doesn't care, this is happening because Bush doesn't use any discipline, this is because it comes from the top. I would believe that if Bill Clinton were still in office. If Bill Clinton were still in office, I could accept the notion this might come from the top and, in fact, depending on the age of these soldiers over there they may in fact be. How many stories have we had lately, oral sex is a great way to stop teen pregnancy? That oral sex is a great way to have safe sex, just had one this week. Who popularized oral sex for the nation? And who was defended day in and day out royally for doing so? Bill Clinton. And who defended him? The Democrats who now find all kinds of atrocities in these photos coming out of Abu Ghraib prison. I don't know, Mr. Snerdley. Mr. Snerdley is wondering what if all these videos are being taken because a, you know, third-rate production porn movie was being made over there?"

Oliver North:
(to Alan Colmes on Hannity and Colmes):
"Alan, for 13 or 14 days now, all we have seen on the front pages of America's newspapers is a group of obviously twisted young people with leashes and weird sex acts, the kind of thing that you might find on any college campus nowadays, being perpetrated by people in uniform."

Michael Savage:
"I don't mean to be too comedic in the political arena, but these so called abuse photos frankly are mild by comparisons to what goes on in South of Market clubs in San Francisco."

See? It's not a big deal. At least for right-wingers it's not a big deal.

[jobycom]

14. Should be called the "Oh C'Mon Factor!" 69, huh?

Is that an insider joke, 69%? Sort of like saying "We can make up what we want, so Bite Me?"

[underpants]

16. Notice no link to the poll (I can't find it either)

There are links all throught he "Talking points" but none for this "Oh come on!!!!!" poll result.

I did find this fox NEws Opinion Dynamic poll result.

http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/perspective/article/0,2071,NPDN_14966_2928029,00.html

By MORTON KONDRACKE, Newspaper Enterprise Association
June 1, 2004

Polls indicate that the public increasingly thinks that Democrat John Kerry could handle Iraq as well as or better than President Bush. Speeches by the two of them last week won't change that trend. In his speech Thursday in Seattle, Kerry both went on the offensive against Bush and offered hope (dubious though it may be) that he can get other nations to share the burden of bringing stability to Iraq.
.
The Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll published May 21 for the first time showed that, by a margin of 39 percent to 34 percent, voters think Kerry would handle Iraq better than Bush.

In other polls, including Gallup and the Pew Research Center, Bush retains a three-point edge, but that's dramatically down from 20-point Bush leads in 2003.

[maggrwaggr]

21. I believe it. The media DID show the pictures way too much

but that's not the point. see my post below

[stewert]

15. FOX Polls Have Zero Credibility !

Don't you wonder why a media outlet does it's own polls when we have
at least 5 or 6 real polling companies ?

The polls taken by CNN, MSNBC, and FOX, are worthless.

O'Reilly is just trying to cover for Bush by claiming the Iraqi prison scandal is
a political thing put out by the liberal media. Did you know that O'Reilly has not
shown one picture of the prison scandal. He refuses to show any of the pictures.

Then he has the nerve to claim he is an objective independent journalist. He will
fry in hell for his lies, lol.

[maggrwaggr]

20. the pictures WERE overreported, but that's not the point

I got sick of seeing them constantly on the fucking TV screen. I couldn't turn on the TV with my kids around. Michael Jackson's face was bad enough (he scared the hell out of my eight year old) but I sure as hell wasn't going to have to explain a pyramid of naked male asses to her.

The news media pounded those pictures into our brains relentlessly.

I have a problem with that, too, because they DON"T report the other goddamn scandals of these crooks.

Only when there were pictures, and only when there was sex, did the media finally wake up and do its job, and then to the point of overkill and exhaustion.

Of course, I completely disagree with everything else the RWers and liars like O'Leily INFER from this.

[underpants]

22. Why doesn't the "liberal media" have a "Scandal Update"

at the top and the bottom of every hour?

WMD and causes for war?-The WMD commission has yet to meet

Abu Ghraid- More courts martial for the lowest ranking soon

Plame- nothing stonewalling being buried

9/11 Commission-report to be out in June

Cheney/Energy meetings- nothing stonewalling

[maggrwaggr]

28. they should. If the media were liberal, or even told the truth,

it would be 24-hour scandal news.

[in_cog_ni_to]

23. Fox News/Opinion Dynamics poll

Oh, OK....I believe it then...it's from FAUX News! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! What a FOOL!

Shut the fuck up O'Lielly!

[killbotfactory]

27. If that's true, it just means 69% of Americans are short-sighted morons.

And Bill O'Reilly is a stupid douche.
"Killing, torturing, and raping innocent prisoners from a country we are supposedly liberating... for little to no worthwhile intelligence... no big deal"

ITS A FUCKING WAR CRIME YOU GODDAMN MORON.

[keithyboy]

29. These are the sam 69% who think the "truth" is over reported.

Go figure. :shrug:

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[buddhamama]

31. if we're nuts

than what does that make you, a kernel?

someday you too, may be a nut

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-06-01-prison-abuse_x.htm

here's more for you, kernel

the men behind the Prison

One man ran a prison system in Utah where a 29-year-old schizophrenic died after he was stripped naked and strapped to a restraining chair for 16 hours.
Another man ran the system in Arizona where 14 women were raped, sodomized or assaulted by prison guards.


Another ran Connecticut's prison system where at least two people died after being severely beaten.

All of the men who ran these prison systems were forced out by lawsuits or political controversy. But rather than being sent to prison themselves, these men were sent to Iraq by the US government to set up the prisons there. Actually, one prison - Abu Ghraib. {includes rush transcript]

In the weeks since the torture scandal at Abu Ghraib grabbed national headlines here in the US and around the world, the Bush administration and the Pentagon have attempted to put forth a consistent story: that the abuses were the work of individual soldiers, acting on their own and that there was no systematic program of abuse at the prison.

But over the past few weeks, this version of events has been shot down by veteran correspondent Seymour Hersh of The New Yorker. Contrary to the Administration's claims, Hersh revealed that the torture at Abu Ghraib was part of a Pentagon-approved Black Ops program authorized by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

Today, on Democracy Now!, we are going to look extensively at the four-man team of correctional advisers dispatched by the US government to Iraq shortly after the occupation began. Their job was to get the notorious Abu Ghraib prison up and running for the US occupation forces.

For people or governments concerned with human rights, their resumes and records read like warning labels for who not to have running a prison--especially in a country where the US claims to be building democracy.

You can read the transcript of the show here
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/06/02/146211

or visit the newyorker site and read Sy Hersch

[libcurious]

33. See how easy that was

now if everyone else would just look around for CORRECT info when they see or hear something, things could get done.
Thanks for the article, I had read it before and was confused when the mass media kept saying they were the ones who broke the story and such.
Again, thanks

[buddhamama]

35. i added info to my post

please take advantage of its easy access.

i have a ton of info saved, bookmarked
let me know if you need any further proof that,
this story is not in any way shape or form overblown.

and please bear in mind that not all of the pictures were released,
and videos exist too that the public hasn't seen.

[libcurious]

36. Thanks alot

for the info and ways to get to more. If you ever get bored, please try out where I get some of my info from.

www.infowars.com

[MissB]

32. Pics were released by the military

Yeah, right.

Quit it. You are making my sides hurt.

[Disturbed]

34. War Crimes

The teflon BushCo has gotten away with War Crimes.

The majority of the American public believe that it was only a "few bad apples", "isolated incidents" and only "humiliation". The torture, rapes and murders which occured and a system wide green light for ignoring the Geneva Convention has been buried. This is another major scandal that BushCo has skated past. So far, nothing can bring indictements to anyone in BushCo. They are above the law.