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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:26 AM
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"Aerosol and Electromagnetic Weapons in the Age of Nuclear War" by
Amy Worthington. More crimes commited behind the "national security" shield are discussed.
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/WOR406A.html
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:10 PM
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1. Sometimes I feel like the guy in The Allegory of the Cave here.
But it is against the law to commit and/or conceal crimes by abuse of the national security classification system-which is corrupt in some ways.

The truth is vital today as we are in the process of taking back our nation from the administration of George W. Bush aka The War President.

The technologies discussed in the article can be put to positive uses, in any event it is pointless to deny what has been developed with our taxes and blood by invoking the "national security" cloak criminally.

Let's shine more light into the "shadow government", that is fascist and totalitarian, not democratic at all. We've had an intelligence failure since 1947 imho.

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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:14 PM
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2. I don't want to know...
I just don't want to know this.
We are so doomed.
Some days it is hard to imagine any future at all.
BHN
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:29 PM
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4. Believe me, you can turn that feeling around despite all implications-
once the truth comes out.
There are some very hopeful signs of progress in our nation, BeHereNow.

The criminals in this administration overestimated a lot of things and underestimated the will of the the people-in fact, some of them enjoy breaking down will with their force multipliers and 21st century tech.

I refuse to believe that things are hopeless and encourage all Americans to do the same within the law and Constitution.
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keithyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:18 PM
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3. Because Murdoch and Scaiffe don't want it to!!
eom
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:31 PM
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5. tin-foil hat stuff
although it would explain why everybody is so fucking dumb and seems so brainwashed in the interior states where you could ostensibly control their air.

Article in Harper's last month about how the GOP is basically strangling the state of Kansas to death. Yet Kansans keep voting republican. The more they get beat up by the GOP the more they go the republican way. He called it "nailing themselves to the golden cross" or something like that.

Oh wait, they ARE controlling the air. The AIR WAVES. The media.



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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:50 PM
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8. This is reality in the 21st century, not tinfoil.
I will not engage in debate with denials but will participate with those seeking positive change and a non-PNAC future. It starts with electing John Kerry, and prosecuting the criminals within this administration.

Here is some more reality.

"The Mind Has No Firewall" from US Army
http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/thomas.html

"Non-Lethal Terms and References" from USAF/INSS
http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/nonlethal.html

Starwars, Star Trek and Killing Politely by Dr. Nick Begich
http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/starwars.html

The original HR 2977/The Space Preservation Act of 2001
http://www.raven1.net/govptron.htm




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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 01:18 PM
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11. Look at this picture from Jan 29:
Edited on Wed Jun-02-04 01:50 PM by seemslikeadream


What's increased since the 1950s to account for the darkening? Contrails (and chemtrails?), which block the sun's visible light yet trap its heat.

http://www.space.com/imageoftheday/image_of_day_040504.html#text


Gretchen Cook-Anderson
Headquarters, Washington
(Phone: 202/358-0836)

Chris Rink/Julia Cole
Langley Research Center, Hampton, Va.
(Phone: 757/864-6786/4052)


April 27, 2004
RELEASE : 04-140


Clouds Caused By Aircraft Exhaust May Warm The U.S. Climate

NASA scientists have found that cirrus clouds, formed by contrails from aircraft engine exhaust, are capable of increasing average surface temperatures enough to account for a warming trend in the United States that occurred between 1975 and 1994.

"This result shows the increased cirrus coverage, attributable to air traffic, could account for nearly all of the warming observed over the United States for nearly 20 years starting in 1975, but it is important to acknowledge contrails would add to and not replace any greenhouse gas effect," said Patrick Minnis, senior research scientist at NASA's Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va. The study was published April 15 in the Journal of Climate. "During the same period, warming occurred in many other areas where cirrus coverage decreased or remained steady," he added.

"This study demonstrates that human activity has a visible and significant impact on cloud cover and, therefore, on climate. It indicates that contrails should be included in climate change scenarios," Minnis said.

Minnis determined the observed one percent per decade increase in cirrus cloud cover over the United States is likely due to air traffic-induced contrails. Using published results from NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies (New York) general circulation model, Minnis and his colleagues estimated contrails and their resulting cirrus clouds would increase surface and lower atmospheric temperatures by 0.36 to 0.54 degrees Fahrenheit per decade. Weather service data reveal surface and lower atmospheric temperatures across North America rose by almost 0.5 degree Fahrenheit per decade between 1975 and 1994.

http://www.nasa.gov/home/hqnews/2004/apr/HQ_04140_clouds_climate.html


bob
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 02:46 PM
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16. sure. It's jet exhaust. Not great, but the whole "chemtrail" thing
strikes me as the stuff that paranoid schizophrenics worry about.

No kidding.

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:06 PM
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23. Deep Shield


In reading this page it may be of value to also look at Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Bases where the conclusion by the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research is that the most effective global warming method of mitigation (corrective) is the spraying of reflective aerosol compounds into the atmosphere utilizing commercial, military and private aircraft!



It's a really interesting interview with someone the interviewer is calling Deep Shield, who apparently is involved with the spraying program and knows a lot about it. He explains what is happening and, more importantly, WHY it is happening. VERY interesting (and VERY scary) stuff. It's rather lengthy, and I have no idea how much credibility to lend to it, but I found it fascinating reading.

http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/shieldproject.html



11. Why all the secrecy?

"Due to the severity of the situation it is mandatory to maintain public calm for as long as possible. The Earth is dying. Humanity is on the road to extinction - without the Shield mankind will die off with in 20 to 50 years. Most people alive today could live to see this extinction take place. This means that an announcement of the situation we face boils down to telling every man, woman and child on earth that they have no future, they are going to be killed. People would panic. There would be economic collapse, the production and movement of goods would collapse. Millions would die in all cities on earth, riots and violence would reduce civilian centers to rubble within days. Half of the population in dense metropolitan areas would try to leave the cities seeking 'safety' in the rural areas thinking that they would be safe. Those left behind in the cities would be at war with their neighbors, fighting for the remaining supplies. We would be telling the world that the world is coming to an end, and even with the Shield the chances of survival are small.

"UV Summer and Global Warming are the immediate problems we face, there are far greater problems that are raising their ugly heads and will present new problems which in some cases have no viable solutions at this time. Ecologies are collapsing. The extinction rate of species is climbing. The amount of chemical pollutants in the water and soil are fast approaching and in many places has surpassed the earth's ability to heal itself. Crop failure is on the rise, even in the USA the returns on crops are smaller than they were 10 years ago. Even with the advances in genetically altered food crops, we are falling behind in our ability to produce enough to go around. Throughout the 20th century chemical fertilizers and pesticides were used to insure the best yields. Unfortunately many of these have contaminated ground water, killed beneficial insects along with the undesirable insects. These chemicals have gotten into the food chain and are affected other species besides mankind. It is only a matter of years before famine spreads like a cancer throughout the world.

"Clean fresh water is in short supply, in many places well water is nonpotable, containing the run off of pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers that have been used on crops and lawns. The water treatment facilities we have are unable to scrub out all of the toxins we have placed in the soil and water supply. Many of the toxins we find build up over time in the body, a long slow poisoning which has been making its presence felt in many areas of the world in the form of cancers, leukemia, sterility, birth defects, learning disorders, immune deficiency problems, etc. These are on the rise, any good researcher can find the records. For decades there was public outcry for the end to pollution. For every small step we made to clean up our production, millions where born who added to the problem. Yes, pollution is down per individual, however there are a couple more billion individuals producing pollution, thus the real numbers have an increase in over all pollution produced. Name a city that does not have problems with smog. You would be hard pressed to find one. Though smog controls on automobiles is higher than ever before, the number of autos on the road has increased thus the amount of smog producing pollutants is higher than ever before. All the clean air acts passed to curb individual factory and auto emissions did not address the production of more factories and more autos. Here an uneasy compromise was made between the need to maintain the economy against the need to maintain the ecology. The ecology lost since it was estimated to be a problem decades from now. The economy was a problem that would have dire effects today.

"All of these factors combined have produced a scenario that in shorts boils down to the end of the world in 50 to 75 years. Even if we were to stop all emissions of pollution today, the inertia of past decades is enough to carry us over the brink in 100 years. However we cannot stop the production of pollution, to do so would mean shutting down every factory, every auto, every train, truck, ship and every household on the planet. Electricity is used to heat many homes in the Western World. The production of electricity produces fewer pollutants than heating all homes with wood or coal. Cutting our power generation abilities down to hydroelectric and fission reactors would leave a good chunk of the world in the dark. It is an impossible situation, our civilization is geared to the use of energy, take away our energy and civilization will collapse."
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:13 PM
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25. SPRAY SYSTEMS


Six Modular Aerial Spray Systems (MASS) are available at the 910 AW to conduct aerial spray missions.

Each system can be configured with up to four 500 gallon tanks for a total volume of 2000 gallons.



USAF C-130 MODULAR AERIAL SPRAY SYSTEM (MASS)

The Aircraft. Four C-130H aircraft are modified to perform aerial application. Modifications consist mostly of ULV and LV wing line installation and electrical modifications.

b. Spray System. The MASS is built by Lockheed/Conair. One of the major design criteria of the MASS was that it had to be a "roll-on/roll-off" system allowing the aircraft to be reconfigured for spray or airlift in under an hour. To accommodate the Roll-on/Roll-off design, the full MASS is designed in 3 modules, each attached to modified standard (463L) aircraft cargo pallets. The operators console, pumps, catwalks, and cradles for flush and chemical tanks are all secured to these modified pallets. The pallets lock into the C-130's dual rail system. Once the MASS is loaded, interconnecting plumbing and electrical circuits tie the MASS modules together. To contain any spillage of spray materials, a 1.5" lip (drip pan) surrounds the pallets. The dry weight of the MASS is ca. 10,500 lbs.

(1) Module 1 . All loading, mixing, spray controls, tank flushing and boom purging procedures can be performed by Spray Operators from the control panel on Module 1. Fluid transfer between tanks for mixing, recirculation and spray operations is accomplished using electro-pneumatic actuators which control the opening and closing of butterfly and diverter valves. Module 1 also contains all the MASS pumps. Three centrifugal pumps provide output pressure for mixing, transferring, recirculation and spraying for LV and HV missions. Depending on the flow rate desired, the Operator can control each of the pumps individually. Two gear driven pumps are used to provide pressure for flushing and ULV systems. A 220 gallon aluminum flush materials tank is also located on Module 1. This tank stores the flushing agents used to clean the chemical tanks and associated system components (main sump, ULV sump, wing and fuselage filtering systems, wing lines and booms). Upon completion of a spray sortie, the flush system consisting of a tank, pumps, and filtering equipment rinses the entire system followed by air purging the material over the target area.

(2) Modules 2 and 3. The MASS may be configured to use either the first two or all three modules depending on mission requirements. Modules 2 and 3 each contain two 500 gallon tanks and all the associated valves and venting systems. The number 2 module has tanks constructed from stainless steel for handling corrosive spray materials. The number 3 module is constructed of strong light aluminum to save on system weight. Modules 1 and 2 together are generally used for ULV space sprays. While modules 1 and 2 can be used for LV or even HV applications, these type application rates are generally used with the full 3 module system.

(a) Wing Booms:

1 Ultra-Low Volume (ULV). Wing booms for ULV applications are constructed of stainless steel and mounted on the outboard portion of the C-130's wing. Each boom has 25 nozzle sites (50 total) and operate at flow rates of 0-60 gallons per minute with a maximum pressure of 100 PSI.

2 Low Volume (LV). For low-volume missions, an option is to add another section of boom, constructed of aluminum, added inboard of the ULV booms and connected by a manual butterfly valve. This configuration adds an additional 42 nozzle sites for a total of 92 (46 per side) and accommodates flow rates of 60-600 gallons per minute. The fuselage booms, as explained in the next paragraph, can be equipped with 36 nozzles (18 per side). The fuselage nozzles can also be used alone or simultaneously with the wing booms. Maximum pressure is 100 PSI.

3 High Volume (HV). The high-volume booms consist of a cradle assembly used to support three inch pipes which extend perpendicular to the aircraft out the rear paratroop doors. The high volume booms come in two lengths. One boom is six feet long and the other is ten feet. Nozzles can be spaced six inches apart with nozzle sites on both the top and bottom. Each boom has holes for a maximum of 18 nozzle sites. This system can also be used in conjunction with the wing booms if a wider swath width is desired.

4 Ultra-High-Volume (UHV). This configuration is used to apply more than 10 gallons per acre with a narrow swath. The UHV system uses the fuselage booms (as with HV), but uses a single unique diffuser nozzle oriented straight back into the airstream. Each diffuser nozzle is equipped with a check valve to prevent leaking. The UHV booms are used when large droplets (>1000 µm) and a narrow swath width (< 50 feet) is required.

(4) Loading. All chemical loading is totally enclosed, and all fumes are vented outside the aircraft. MASS chemical loading into the flush and chemical tanks can be accomplished 3 ways:

(a) External Pump. A gasoline-powered pump can be used when done in conjunction with ground loading station. Spray materials are filtered into the MASS main sump and into the tanks via tank outlet valves.

(b) Ground Loading Station. The MASS loading station with its probe and loading hoses can be used to suck materials from the chemical drums directly into the top of the 500 gallon MASS tanks.

(c) Gear-Driven Pump. For corrosive materials, the ULV system can be used to load chemical with its own gear-driven pump and its associated loading hoses and drum probes, attached ground loading hoses and a drum probe.
http://www.afrc.af.mil/910aw/aerial%20spray/aerialspray/system.htm
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:26 AM
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43. that's probably for Agent Orange and that sort of thing
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 12:26 AM by maggrwaggr
is my guess
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:28 PM
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26. James E. Phelps developed the concept of air pharmacology
James E. Phelps studied electrical engineering at the University of Tennessee with his thesis being in core reactor refuelling electronics for breeder reactors. Much of his work was at Oak Ridge National Laboratory, Tennessee (ORNL) which is funded by the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) where he worked in the areas of radiation detection and measurements and site remediation amongst other tasks.

He developed the concept of air pharmacology while working at ORNL. This concept entails "treating" the air with chemicals to mitigate and offset the effects of other toxic chemicals in the air such as hydrogen fluoride and chlorine. The purpose was to lessen the extremely toxic effects of fluoride pollution while not stating that a problem existed to the public. The entire art of pharmacology is about how to add one more toxic effect to mitigate another from industry or environment.

The chemtrail technique is basically air pharmacology - how to add one more pollutant that has some positive synergistic effect against another. Phelps developed this approach while looking at weapons plants worker health effects at ORNL.

http://www.holmestead.ca/chemtrails/jimphelps.html

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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:39 AM
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47. Hey Seems, because it's you, and your threads are always fascinating
I checked it all out very open-mindedly, but .........

All I see are people who look up in the sky, see contrails from commercial jets, and have paranoid delusions about them.

Sorry!

The info is very interesting, however, if not extremely depressing if you are to buy the premise that the world is going to "end" in 50 to 75 years.

I like to hope not since I had a kid about 20 months ago.

I mean, it certainly COULD, especially if GWB stays in power for another fucking DAY.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 10:03 PM
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63. Air Pharmacology and end time predictions
The fluorine effect is so permanent within the cell G-protein's binding
that it cannot even be released. So, the only way to protect a cell in the
nerve system from this compound is to pre-treat or pre-bind these G-protein sites
with other chemicals. This is how the pyridostigmine bromide, PB, effect came
into extensive use in the late 1980's, due to my discoveries on the
electronegative effects of fluorine on G-protein sites. I recommended the use of PB as
a blocking agent against fluorine nerve gases. PB is a nerve cell seeking
hormone that acts on the same channels and blocks the acetylcholinesterase,
AChE, process. The lesser electronegative bromine attachment allows a reversible
binding site block.

This simple knowledge about fluorine's electronegative effects set up the
look at other G-protein effects and this turned up fluoride-metal complex
effects. The big three for these effects in Oak Ridge were the aluminum,
beryllium, and mercury types. Via a process similar to how iodine pills are used to
protect from the dangers of I-131 nuclear power plant accident or bomb releases,
the idea for Titanium was born. The G-protein binding sites depend on
critical bonding angles and the size of the atoms is important. Titanium metal
complex with fluoride neutralized its G-protein effect. This became a simple
compound method of pretreatment to compete with the destructive fluoride-metal
complexes. The titanium-dioxide method could be used to spread titanium about
the entire US using jet fuels burning from planes.

This was this principle pharmaceutical like effect that resulted in the air
pharmacology method. The white particle effects could be extended using
other compounds, like aluminum oxide, to cause reflection of a few percent of the
Sun's energy to compensate for global warming temperature effects on the
weather and storm energies. Today, the use of jet planes with the Al-O and Ti-O
effects are in wide use about the US and other countries. The idea was intended
as a time buffer to make needed changes in the energy processes of the
country, but the idea is being abused by the money changers in the White House. It
is these Bush linked interests that now engage in Racketeering against the
citizens of the US and the world.

The titanium simple compound effect in "air pharmacology" is highly
directed at protecting the health of animals, as the fluoride effects on animals
always jump to humans. The animals that eat hay need to be protected from the
fluoride fallout from industry and energy sources. This keeps down effects like
mad cow and other illness like Rift Valley fever that blow in on the winds
from Africa. The effect is like the "Noah's Ark" for the industrial disease era
of today. Viruses often activate in animals from little polluted zones in
China and then jump to humans with similar fluoride damaged immunity and these
become the health plagues linked to varied flu's each year. The same process
happened for HIV from monkeys to humans in the Congo area and other places.
The titanium competition effect is used to control varied pathogen outbreaks
over large areas, by modulation of the immune system's performance.

The basic science and causation for this has long been known. The German
IG Farben company was broken up after world war II and became some of the
biggest chemical, pharmaceutical, and petroleum companies in the world. Today, 60
percent of drugs made use G-protein binding site effects on cells. The
extensive use of fluoride based fluxes for the aluminum used in airplanes made this
process one of strategic metals importance. Later, fluorine became of even
more significance for the production of bomb uranium for the atomic bomb. The
issues of secrecy and national security extended a cloak over the problems
with rising levels of fluoride in the environments of the US and the world.

It was the IG Farben company that linked highly to Hitler's war machine and
it also linked to US interests tied to the Bush family and their money. So,
the cover up of the fluorides health effects connect right to the liabilities
of two presidents of the US, and also to GOP interests in the AMA and
pharmaceutical domains. In ever sense of the world, money and power corrupt
absolutely.

After daddy Bush left the CIA he went to work for a pharmaceutical company
named Eli Lilly, and this is the company that founded a proliferation of
fluoride drugs, like Prozac, to attempt to profit from the low level effects of
fluoride-metal complexes in the environment by modifying the G-protein effects
linked to fluorine. Eli Lilly also had lots of CIA connections and made the
drug LSD for CIA linked mind control projects. Again, this is all G-protein
research. This is how fluorides connect to "mind control" and "MK Ultra" issues.
Sincerely,
Jim Phelps, DOE / DOD Whistleblower


Uploaded: 07-29-03

more
http://www.nwbotanicals.org/mediawatch/airpharma.htm
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 05:02 PM
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64. S-1 Committee at the Bohemian Grove
Ernest Lawrence and the Cyclotron

Government committee of scientists that oversaw uranium production for the war effort. From left to right are Harold C. Urey, Ernest O. Lawrence, James B. Conant, Lyman J. Briggs, E.V. Murphree and A.H. Compton.
Ernest Lawrence and the Cyclotron

Early view of the Oak Ridge facility.

In 1939 refugee Jewish scientists in the U.S., including Albert Einstein, had convinced President F.D. Roosevelt to start a uranium research project. The American effort languished through 1940 into 1941, although Lawrence impatiently urged brisker action. Meanwhile, two refugee scientists in Britain, Otto Frisch and Rudolf Peierls, realized that a nuclear explosion could be created using a relatively small amount of one of the two isotopes present in natural uranium. Only the rare isotope with mass 235 was fissionable, while the much more abundant isotope uranium-238 would only hamper a chain reaction. This secret, brought to the U.S. from Britain, helped to energize the American uranium project. Two of the project leaders, Arthur Compton and James Conant, met with Lawrence in September 1941 and asked him whether he was willing to devote the next several years of his life to a crash program to build an atomic bomb. He was.
“I can still recall the expression in his eyes as he sat there with his mouth half open...He hesitated only a moment. ‘If you tell me this is my job, I’ll do it.’”
—Arthur Compton on Lawrence’s commitment to a bomb project.



Government committee of scientists that oversaw uranium production for the war effort. From left to right are Harold C. Urey, Ernest O. Lawrence, James B. Conant, Lyman J. Briggs, E.V. Murphree and A.H. Compton.
Even before the U.S. entered the war, Lawrence had mobilized the Rad Lab’s instruments and staff to help the war effort. In 1940 several Berkeley alumni, including McMillan and Luis Alvarez, helped staff a new laboratory at MIT, where they applied their experience in radio electronics and collaborative research to the development of radar. (The organizers of the radar lab named it the Radiation Laboratory to confuse the enemy.) Now the possibility of atomic bombs gave Lawrence and the original Rad Lab a great enterprise.
A main obstacle to building an atomic bomb was the difficulty of separating the scarce isotope uranium-235 from the much more abundant uranium-238. Since the isotopes were chemically identical, ordinary chemistry could not distinguish them. Lawrence proposed to separate the isotopes by using the minuscule difference in mass between them. Electrically charged ions with different masses would be deflected slightly different amounts by a magnetic field.

To investigate the possibility, Lawrence transformed the 37-inch cyclotron and then the 184-inch magnet into mass spectrographs—devices that separated isotopes electromagnetically. By 1942 he and his staff had developed a successful prototype of a device, called a “calutron” after the University of California.


Early view of the Oak Ridge facility. The uranium project, now code-named the “Manhattan Engineer District” and put under the control of General Leslie Groves of the U.S. Army, rushed to construct calutrons on an industrial scale. Vast “racetracks,” each consisting of 96 calutrons, arose at a secret isotope separation plant in Oak Ridge, Tennessee. The hydroelectric power stations of the Tennessee Valley Authority supplied the necessary huge amounts of electric power. The racetracks did not run well at first. Contaminated cooling oil shorted out the giant magnets, and the product often ended up not in the collecting cup but scattered through the interior of the calutrons.

Lawrence and others from the Rad Lab staff frequently visited Oak Ridge to fight the technical difficulties until the racetracks began to operate smoothly. Fifteen of them were eventually built. These served as a first stage of separation, enriching uranium with the fissionable isotope uranium-235. The product was then fed into other devices that relied on other methods (gaseous or thermal diffusion) to produce nearly pure uranium-235. Almost all of the uranium-235 in the atomic bomb that would destroy Hiroshima passed through Lawrence’s calutrons in Oak Ridge.

http://www.aip.org/history/lawrence/bomb.htm
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:35 PM
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6. No wonder Bush told Bob Woodward, "We'll all be dead!" n/t
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:36 PM
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7. Tell me again how them chemtrails are nothing to worry about.
I need to be reassured that they are only "persistent contrails." Please be convincing.

:evilgrin:
dbt
Busting 'trails since 2003
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 01:09 PM
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10. dbt can I buy a vowel?
Edited on Wed Jun-02-04 01:10 PM by seemslikeadream
Wake Up And Watch The Chemtrails!

24/7/365.

Look UP, dammit! The freaking jets are flying as many as 300 missions over your home every 24 hours--and you're still wondering where those missing millions have gone???

Time to buy a vowel, boys and girls...


dbt

Oh yeah, you "debunkers?" I'm going to move you ahead of bu$h in the line of people who need to kiss. my. shiny. metal. ass.


I always loved that line!

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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 01:24 PM
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14. There is a NOAA pic of them taken from space in October 1998
over Green Bay, Wisconsin-I will try to find the link--it sure as hell isn't contrails, and I'm a trained (CAP) observer.

Better yet just look up every now and then. Got fibromyalgia yet???
:grr:
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 01:20 PM
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12. Okay, just consider yourself reassured, okay, feel better now?
F it.

Just call me fed up!~
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 02:47 PM
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17. tell me how "chemtrails" even exist
and maybe I'll listen.

Jet exhaust is all it is.

Unless you can prove otherwise, it's tin-foil stuff.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 12:57 PM
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9. Thank you for your courage in this post.
Edited on Wed Jun-02-04 01:09 PM by anarchy1999
CHEMTRAILS ARE REAL. Just ask Dennis Kucinich. Just look up in the damned sky. They are there and not normal. I've watched the weather change too much these last few years. Not normal at all. If you want more info just google chemtrails.

Chemtrailcentral.com is my personal favorite. Lots of pictures from around the world.

Here is a fun, long read. Then make up your mind.

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=49653

THIS DOCUMENT IN THREE SECTIONS - WITH THE FULL LIST OF REFERENCES AT THE END. I will then post a page of many, many pertinent links (most of which are other than those referenced in this document.) You have just seen the post indicating:
CHEMTRAILS ARE ILLEGAL. Dr. Mike (as we fondly call him) who is the author/researcher/caring person of the following document can be contacted either thru me or at: pilot1981@voyager.net
OR forward anything you may have to me here.
~~ Moonrings ~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
PART 1 - The Methodic Demise of Natural Earth

~An Environmental Impact Overview~

Dr. R. Michael Castle
December, 2003, ( Updates March 2004, May 2004)

In this century, we believe we are witnessing the gradual, purposeful demise of the Earth's Natural System. There are those who will debunk/dis-info all that is written regarding the subject of this paper: ChemTrails. What's this? ChemTrails are only a vague description, in lay-terms, of a greater theater of toxic materials being released into the atmosphere/stratosphere, for a myriad of crude and toxic agendas.

The author, Dr. R. Mike Castle, will attempt to put this Global debacle into a profile of events. Technical specificity of all the identified components would require at least a book in length, to recite them all. A short Bibliography follows, and links to various pertinent documents of unquestionable validity.

First Rule of Understanding: There are very large, winner-take-all games orchestrated by the Global Interests of the World. We have investigated, researched and found substantial evidence of a multiplicity of Global operations designed to mitigate various and theoretical Global catastrophes, as defined by a late 1980's and 1990's International Panel of Conferees. (The value of who are they, what's the politics smell like and all that is not of the utmost importance in our attempt, herein, to describe what serious destruction they have caused and are causing to Humans and our Finite Environment.
( Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change ) (1)
( http://www.ipcc.ch )

Many of the operations we have collectively found in our investigations of this debacle have remained a secret, classified and not for general populace information or knowledge. You must answer the question, Dear Reader as to why someone would possibly deploy these Geo-weapons. Just follow the money trails. We will yield all of our voluminous data, information and all references we have used in our validation of facts surrounding this Global atrocity. The recipients of this information must be interested enough in what we are trying to expose, the Human-health risks, the Environmental risks and the plain, simple "wrongness" that prevails. We must determine first if you are provoked to really care, because the research and development of this information for a Major Media whistle-blowing expose will require passion and dedication. Our research work has spanned almost five years of....watching and discovering, with disgust, the scenarios which follow.
This is not a small task.....but the Mission is simple. Expose and Stop the Methodic Demolition of our Natural Earth and its inhabitants.
Executive Summary

Dr. Edward Teller wrote a white paper in the late 1990's describing a remedial operation, strategy, epic-in-proportion, to change the predicted course of what was believed by an International group of Scientists, including Dr. Edward Teller, Livermore National Laboratories, et al, to be the cataclysmic certainty from the results of global-warming, crisis level Ultra-Violet/Cosmic radiation, crisis Ozone-layer depletion and other theoretical doom. ( Edward Teller's "Sun Screen" Document - pdf ) (http://www.rense.com/general18/scatteringEdTellerwithnotes.pdf ) (2) Demonstrating here, that the same mind, Dr. Edward Teller, Father H-Bomb, was responsible for many ill-conceived strategies and not one gave considerations to the consequences in the Human realm. Safety, toxicity, lethality, exposure, Environmental Impact, morality, were not words with which Dr. Teller had a high-degree of familiarity.( WHO IS EDWARD TELLER? )
( http://www.tms.physics.lsa.umich.edu/214/other/news/o42401Hbomb.html ) (3)

These Global-Warming Mitigation Strategies, UV Mitigation and the cessation of the effects of Atmospheric Greenhouse-gases were given a commonality by Teller, et al, and this was the use of a sub-micron particulate. Barium, Aluminum, Thorium, Selenium were to be processed into a sub-micron particle dispensed from high-altitude aircraft, ionized with a specific electrical charge. ( BARIUM MATERIAL SAFETY DATA SHEET ) ( http://www.crystran.co.uk/baf2safe.htm ) (4) BARIUM TESTS ARE POSITIVE ( http://www.carnicom.com/flame1.htm ) (4a)
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 01:36 PM
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15. I thank you for the links!
:hi:
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 02:48 PM
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18. I don't mean to be harsh
but I would suggest a mental health professional for those who believe in chemtrails.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 03:38 PM
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21. Well, the mental health profession is full of competing theoretical
orientations, and has been historically abused by the unethical and criminal factions associated with national security in the reality of mind control.

One of the speculations about chemtrails is that this relates, in some way, to using the earth's atmosphere as the medium to access all human brains (Persinger 1975). I don't know about that theory, maggrwaggr, but I do know that the ethical in the mental health profession are now challenging some fundamental concepts of the profession-like the diagnostic criteria for psychosis due to the operation of mind invasive technologies.

"On the Need for New Criteria of Diagnosis of Psychosis in the Light of Mind Invasive Technology" by Carole Smith
http://www.adacomp.net/~mcherney/NewCrit-JPSS-CS2.htm

You aren't being harsh at all, just ignorant of the FACTS and your friendly suggestion is duly noted and will be ignored.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:38 PM
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27. Whatever.......
Can't wait for you to get to Houston!!!!!!!
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:17 AM
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41. Get over yourself.
Maybe we should all just quit looking up and start looking down. And just go get some anti-depressants. You think, maggrwaggr?
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:31 AM
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44. I don't know why I bother
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 12:33 AM by maggrwaggr
One time I met a woman who claimed to have "experiences" with UFO's. I was intrigued, I'm extremely open minded, so I met her at a coffee shop.

I realized as she went through her paranoid diatribe about the UFO's she'd seen (and others had seen as well, but they had had their memories erased -- but not her, oh no) and the Men IN Black who were following her around and probably trying to impregnante her with god knows what --

that either

a) This mild-mannered normal-looking woman was telling me the truth, that we'd been invaded by aliens, they were all around us, and she was in great danger just by whispering these facts to me across this little table in the coffee shop

or

b) She was a paranoid schizophrenic.

There really was no middle ground.

I chose B.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:36 AM
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45. and to continue that story
that woman began stalking me. No shit.

I quit answering my phone and dreaded going home because sometimes she'd be camped out at my house.

One time I actually answered my phone and it was her. She accused me of being some guy who had died in 1979.

I told her I was in high school in another city in 1979. Didn't seem to matter.

Fortunately I was in the process of moving to another city far away and I lost her.

Arguing with her would have been pointless as well. There was no convincing her that her delusions were in any way incorrect.

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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:52 AM
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50. Also, you are kidding yourself.
And I'm not stalking you. Chemtrails or whatever are real. Just look up and start paying attention.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:17 AM
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51. it's the conviction with which you say that
that I'm having the problem with.

I don't rule anything out.

I know the military does research on god-only-knows-what-kind-of-weird-shit.

I know because my very own father worked on a lot of it.

Right at Lawrence Livermore Radiation Lab.

One day he looked up from his work and said to me "did you know that a pig and a human body explode at the same sound frequency?"

So I don't rule anything out. But I don't rule anything in, either, unless there's some pretty good evidence for it.

And I just don't see it for chemtrails.

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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:42 AM
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48. Quit bothering.
Just please, don't look up at the skies, dearest. And please, don't notice any weather extremes, or things that aren't normal, okay? You'll be fine amongst all of us paranoid schizophrenics.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 01:22 PM
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13. Just keep telling yourself, this is not happening, this is not happening..
Everything is okay, and will be okay in the morning. Don't watch the sky. It is not in your best interest. You just might get disturbed.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 03:05 PM
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19. "The Earth as a weapon in 21st Century wars"
Edited on Wed Jun-02-04 03:05 PM by Minstrel Boy
These pulsed, extremely low frequency (ELF) waves, for instance, can be used to convey mechanical effects and vibrations at great distances through the Earth. They can manipulate the weather, creating storms and torrential rains over an area.

These waves have the potential to generate earth movements. ‘It has the capability to cause disturbance of volcanoes and tectonic plates, which in turn, have an effect on the weather,’ she states.

...

Tellingly, the US Secretary of Defence, in 1997, commented on new threats posed by terrorist organizations ‘engaging in eco-type terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, and volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves’.

‘The military has a habit of accusing others of having capabilities they already hold,’ said Dr. Bertell in response.

http://www.twnside.org.sg/title/hawa2.htm

If "That's crazy!" was ever an argument against a weapons system, it isn't anymore. Some folks with very deep pockets, little oversight and less scruples hear that as a challenge.
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treepig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 05:01 PM
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29. seems almost criminal considering
"They can manipulate the weather, creating storms and torrential rains over an area."

that this technology is not being used to alleviate the current drought in the western states.
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 03:10 PM
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20. Chemtrails are the goofiest bunch of bullshit in the history of tin foil.
The CIA told me so through my dental fillings.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 03:51 PM
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22. Are you sure it wasn't voice-to-skull (HSS) technology like American
Technology Corp. of San Diego holds US patents on? American Technology Corp. of San Diego also has the DoD contracts for the sonic weapons now deployed in Iraq and elsewhere.

They've been putting voices into human brains since at least 1974.
American Technology Corp. of San Diego isn't the only entity that holds such US patents.
http://www.raven1.net/5159703.htm

HSS sonic weapons contract
http://www.raven1.net/hssweapon.htm

Voice-to-skull communication
http://www.raven1.net/atc-ag98.htm

American Technology Corp. executives have engaged in insider trades
http://biz.yahoo.com/t/14/1529.html

That doesn't "sound" like bullshit now, does it?
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:37 AM
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46. LOL!!! n/t
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:06 PM
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24. Well, whatever these chemtrails are for it sure doesn't help to deny them.
Sheesh. Just google chemtrails for documentation (and controversy).
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DrWeird Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:13 PM
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37. I've got a photograph of an alien from space.


See, there it is. An alien from space. Not only are these things documented, there's a photograph for you right there. Sure, some idiots like to call these things "tapirs" but are we really supposed to believe that they've been living here on earth and nobody's seen them this whole time? Yeah, right. Obviously the most likely explanation for something we know nothing about is the most outrageous explanation we can think of. That's Occam's razor. It's an alien from space, and here's proof.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:34 PM
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38. You are weird, Dr.Weird-trying to go off topic about a serious subject
by ridicule just doesn't work anymore here at DU. Post your pics in The Lounge for a giggle. No one is talking about extra-terrestrial life but you.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 04:42 PM
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28. North American Association for Environmental Education

Address by Daniel Quinn delivered August 16, 1997, at the annual conference of the North American Association for Environmental Education, Vancouver BC

In a recent semi-documentary film called Garbage, a toxic waste disposal engineer was asked how we can stop engulfing the world in our poisons. His answer was, "We'd have to remove everybody from the face of the earth, because humans GENERATE toxic waste, whether it be pathogenic organisms that we excrete from our bodies or whatever. We are toxic to the face of the earth."
What is your gut reaction to this assessment? Please raise your hands if you agree that humans are inherently toxic.

I understand that many representatives of the First Peoples are attending this conference. I hope there are many in this audience. Please raise your hand if you belong to an aboriginal people. Thank you. Now I'd like to ask you the same question I asked the whole group a moment ago. If you consult your traditional teachings, do you agree that humans are inherently toxic to the life of this planet?

Those who know my work will know that you've just demonstrated one of my basic theses, that the people of my culture, whom I call Takers, have a fundamentally different mythology from the First Peoples, whom I call Leavers. In Taker mythology, humans are indeed viewed as inherently toxic to the world, as alien beings who were born to rule---and ultimately destroy---the world. As WE are currently ruling and destroying the world. In Leaver mythology, by contrast, the world is a sacred place, and humans are not perceived as alien to that sacred place but rather as belonging to it. In other words, in the Leaver worldview, people are no less a part of the sacred framework of the universe than scorpions or eagles or salmon or bears or daffodils. . . .

When I first proposed to speak here about how we're preparing ourselves and our children for extinction, the organizer of the conference wondered if this topic wasn't directed too exclusively to members of "our" culture---the culture I call Taker culture in my books---the dominant culture of the world, found wherever the food is under lock and key and people have to work to get it. I think it's important that you hear my answer to this question.


more
http://www.ishmael.com/welcome.cfm
http://www.ishmael.com/Education/Writings/littletrain.shtml
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:45 AM
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49. nice, but what's that have to do with chemtrails?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 05:04 PM
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30. Remote Behavioral Influence Technology Evidence
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 05:13 PM
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31. Kick!
In celebration of the fact that chemtrails are now getting more front page time on DU than ever!

"Persistent contrails," my. shiny. metal. ass.

:evilgrin:
dbt
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:25 AM
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42. Best yet! My Shiny. Metal. Ass.
LOVE IT!

Believe what you want. I was only introduced a couple of years ago when my head was pulled back and my eyes were directed up and my husband said what's up with that? Probably one of the most disturbing things happening right now and none of us can get anyone to listen or pay attention. Just another f'ing conspiracy don't you know.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm really tired of all these conspiracies. They just don't exist. We are just nuts, and please for god's sake don't read up on it. mmmm, k?
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 05:29 PM
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32. Who makes up the list for what the USAF general calls "the kill chain"
in Amy Worthington's article? Completely dehumanized miscreants?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:04 AM
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39. Major-General Gregory Barlow
maybe? I'll have a link later, my searching is down
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:53 PM
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33. Kick for the truth
:dem:
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progressivebydesign Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 10:57 PM
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34. The Hum.. HAARP.. etc.
Oddly enough I have been reading up about the HAARP project in Alaska, lately. See, I relocated to the Pacific Northwest, a hotspot of the infamous Taos "Hum". The whole family can hear it, having never heard something like that before in Cali. I read up on it, and there is a strange project called HAARP, funded by the Defense Department, and it involves microwaving the upper atmosphere. I'm sure some technical type here can expound on it.. but it sounds relevant to this thread.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:04 PM
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35. Yes and this is a nice photo
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-02-04 11:12 PM
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36. I'm reading "Angels Don't Play this HAARP" right now.
A good introduction to the concerns involved. It's available from Amazon, and this blurb's from an offer on the From the Wilderness website:


Dr. Nick Begich and Jeane Manning

HAARP - (High-Frequency Active Auroral Research Project) A project run jointly by the US Air Force and Navy. Based in Alaska, it is a research program designed to study the ionosphere in order to develop new weapons technology. It could be used to wipe out communications over an extremely large area, it could be used as a tool for geophysical probing, which would define oil, gas and mineral deposits , it could be used to modify weather patterns and cause earthquakes. If HAARP was tuned to the right frequency, using just the right waveforms, mental disruption throughout a region could occur intentionally or as a side-effect of the radio frequency transmissions. It could also be used for crowd control by employing the cyclotron resonance of HAARP together with a minute amount of airborne chemical.

Co-author Jeane Manning is an experienced magazine journalist and reporter for daily newspapers. She has doggedly tracked HAARP since 1994.

Co-author Dr. Nick Begich is the eldest son of the late US Congressman from Alaska, Nick Begich Sr., and political activist Pegge Begich. Dr. Begich is well known in Alaska for his political activities. Dr. Begich received his doctorate in traditional medicine from The Open International University For Complimentary Medicines in November 1994.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/store/books.html
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:08 AM
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40. The Nordics told me this was true
Don't tell the Greys.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:47 AM
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52. It's probably a good thing Bush
doesn't read.
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:51 AM
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53. Khemical Kick.
The one thing that remains absolutely unchallenged about the whole chemtrail debate is the fact that jet aircraft are deliberately creating clouds over the majority of the Earth and our government will not tell us why this is being done.

It won't take two hours out of your life to watch the jets. The trails they leave in the sky expand laterally and stay for HOURS. More and more trails are laid down until the sun itself is dimmed. Yet we are supposed to believe this is only "jet exhaust."

Horse. Shit.

Who's flying the planes?
Where are they based?
What's in those trails?
Who gave the order to do this?
Who's paying for it?
How much is it costing?
Why is it being done?
Why didn't anybody get to vote on it?

Just a few questions, ma'am... And LARGE props to bobthedrummer and seemslikeadream!

:freak:
dbt

www.ctbusters.com
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:38 AM
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54. Those are such simple questions, dbt-we deserve the answers.
:hi:
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Redhead488 Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:45 AM
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55. You are being sarcastic, right???
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:02 PM
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56. you should go back and read this thread
that way you could answer your own question.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 12:03 PM
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57. Why would you think that?
Tell you a little secret, I post this stuff on the assumption that I'm a "discredited" individual-the truth is being brought out anyway, much of it sounds UNBELIEVABLE at first hearing-that's by design imho and life experiences.
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Redhead488 Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:31 PM
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60. Unbelievable is not the word for it
Ridiculous comes to mind, though.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 04:35 PM
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62. Yes, who would think of using our planet's atmosphere as the medium
to access all human brains way back in 1995? This is so ridiculous a notion, nevertheless check out this link to Michaela Persinger's ridiculous notions about mind control.

ON THE POSSIBILITY OF DIRECTLY ACCESSING EVERY HUMAN BRAIN BY MAGNETIC INDUCTION OF FUNDAMENTAL ALGORITHMS by M.A. Persinger
http://www.datafilter.com/mc/c_persingerMindnet165.htm

Michaela Persinger, Ph.D.
http://www.mfhr.org/new_page_41.htm
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:20 PM
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58. OH MY GOD. Okay, I'll answer your questions
Who's flying the planes? commercial jet pilots.

Where are they based? airports all over the country, and the world.

What's in those trails? Carbon dioxide and WATER. If you had ever taken a science class, you'd know that a major byproduct of combustion is WATER. Up that high, water at the very least condenses into a cloud, and often freezes. It's cold up there! Much colder than the inside of an engine. It produces, literally, a CLOUD.

Who gave the order to do this? Well, we've had commercial aviation, and jet engines, for quite some time now. Years! Since before I was born!

Who's paying for it? Everybody who buys a plane ticket.

How much is it costing? I don't know, why don't you go on orbitz.com and find out?

Why is it being done? It's the economy, stupid.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:28 PM
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59. dbt maybe you could answer this question
I have seen shadows formed by the trails recently. Have you seen them? Thin dark shadows that run parallel and continue beyond them, not all the time and it's just started. Can "water vapor" create shadows?
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:57 PM
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61. I call 'em 'dark trails.'
And they were what made me decide to take action against the chemtrails well over a year ago, after four years of watching and wondering WTF was going on up there.

I could see how a trail of whatever could cast a shadow. I could even kind of see how it might appear that the shadow was moving along with the jet making the trail.

Then one day in early March of last year, I saw a 'dark trail' moving ahead of the jet it was tracking. Way ahead of the jet, leading it by miles! I do not see these 'dark trails' every time the jets fly, but I have seen them maybe a dozen times since last March. Not too long ago, I observed six at once.

Can water vapor create these "shadows?" Damifino. But there is something nasty going on in the sky, something that I'm supposed to believe is just, well, water vapor. Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

To quote that Dennis Kucinich fellow, "Chemtrails are real."

:hi:
dbt
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