Reality Check: Bush not resigning, not in criminal danger

[BurtWorm]

The boy has been protected from criminal prosecution his whole life. He is royalty. He is in no danger whatever from the justice system. Justice and the Bushes do not mix. They do not ever even cross paths.

Cheney may be in danger--politically for sure, and possibly criminally--in the Plame, Halliburton, Energy and Chalabi affairs. His danger may also mean that Bush is in political danger, but the Family and the Party will never ever let that show if they can help it.

Notice that among the headlines on the front page of the NY Times today was one about the Bushists relying on "the most sophisticated get-out-the-vote drive ever" in Bush friendly churches in the vanilla suburbs. That is where the Bushists will be piling all their money--or a huge chunk of it. They'll be wagering that there are millions of dolts like those who regularly call into Washington Journal on C-SPAN, who don't comprehend why anyone would "hate" their beloved God-sent "president" and who can be made to leap through hoops to get themselves and their senile neighbors by the millions to the polls on election day. And they will be working, meanwhile, to shave off African Americans whose names are similar to felons', and electronic votes for Kerry, and all sorts of other votes at the margins because they know that they can't possibly count on the love and support of the American people, as more and more of the American people loath their despicable guts.

PS: If the Bushists don't realize they can't count on the love and support of the American people, then they are in dire need of a reality check themselves.

[Catherine Vincent]

1. Well hopefully come November, enough of those in the vanilla

suburbs will smarten up and not vote for the idiot. But we all know a lot of them are subborn white men.

[freetobegay]

2. I disagree.

America has never been subjected like this. One way or another he will pay.

[BurtWorm]

3. Who's going to charge Bush?

Ashcroft? :eyes:

[Walt Starr]

4. Nope, Bush will be charged

by whomsoever is Kerry's AG.

[BurtWorm]

5. If he is charged, which I doubt.

Kerry would probably pardon him of it came to that. :eyes:

[Walt Starr]

13. I doubt that seriously

This is the CIA revenge against Bush. If Kerry pardoned Bush, the CIA will be pissed at Kerry.

Chickenhawks are coming home to roost.

[Redhead488]

7. No, he won't

as much as we may like to fantasize, that's all it is, fantasy. It will never happen.

[blackmoonlillith]

6. Ashcroft might not have a choice...

He's in big trouble right now and not even Ashcroft is going to get in the way of this one.

[BurtWorm]

8. What would they charge Bush with?

It's no crime to be an ignorant asshole.

[leyton]

11. Exactly. I don't know of any specific instance of law-breaking.

They got Clinton for perjury (well, they tried) and in that case there was a specific instance. Unless it can be proven that Bush lied in front of the 9/11 commission, I don't know what he can be charged on. I mean, making bad policy is not a crime; starting pre-emptive wars is not exactly a legitimate thing, but I hardly see Kerry prosecuting Bush for a war he himself voted for.

[Walt Starr]

18. The speculation is related to the Plame case

If, as suggested in one story, Bush knew of the impending outting of Plame, then he is guilty of conspiracy to commit treason.

It's dependent upon the veracity of that story. The only possible witnesses that I can see having testified to this in the grand jury investigation are John Hannah or David Wurmser.

[Qutzupalotl]

23. Lying to congress is a felony.

He knowingly referred to a forged document in his 1/03 State of the Union address.

On edit: With regard to the Plame case, it could be argued that he obstructed justice, though that is not as clear as lying in the SOTU.

[blackmoonlillith]

15. Treason...

This is about national security. It involves the CIA. You don't mess with the CIA. They will bring you to your knees.

[callous taoboy]

9. Will Pitt postulates

that if * is re-selected the House and Senate could go back to the Dems and then we will see some shit start to happen.

* does seem to above the law, but I've got a feeling that he will have to answer for many things.

[BurtWorm]

12. If Bush is re-selected, then I doubt Dems will regain either Chamber.

I hold out some hope that Bush will lose roundly to Kerry and the Senate will go Dem, and maybe even the House. But that would require actual effort on the part of our lazy-assed compatriots out in Bushville.

[freetobegay]

10. You can roll your eyes all you want.

They didn't think they could Impeach Nixon with the votes they had. Guess what they were wrong!


ON EDIT: And please learn how it works, Ashcroft will not be in charge of the Impeachment, Congress will!

[BurtWorm]

14. I repeat: what would they charge Bush with?

His last line of defense is common knowledge: Cheney was in charge the whole time. Bush didn't know a damn thing.

[freetobegay]

16. High Crimes & misdemeanors is very broad, Just ask Clinton

[BurtWorm]

27. I'm betting that if the Bushists think they're in legal danger

they won't want to win in November. They'll want to re-enter the corporate world and disappear into their global empire.

[blackmoonlillith]

19. Treason...

That's what. And, according to witinesseS he did know.

[Walt Starr]

21. Treason

but only if John Hannah or David Wurmser have testified that Bush knew of the Plame outting prior to the outting.

[Cyrano]

24. Bush can be charged with

the murder of the English language.

[BurtWorm]

17. I'm talking about criminal trouble, as some believe he's in

in the Plame affair, or why would he hire an outside lawyer? I'm sure he won't be impeached. Not in a major election year.

[Walt Starr]

25. You are correct there. There will be no impeachment

but lawyering up at this point is pretty damning.

[Kikosexy2]

20. And speaking of...

religious dolts! This has occurred to me--since The Chimp's base consist of religious right winged nutcases who are on a mission to see the prophecies of the Book of Revelations fulfilled, heck even the Pope has called the Chimp the Antichrist, I'm wondering if the October surprise will consist of an assassination attempt on Georgie boy?? It is written in Revelations that the Antichrist will suffer a wound to the head but will miraculously recover--a recovery so astonishing to the people that they will come to believe he's truly a messiah which will lead them to worship him. If Osama is not captured by Oct. and Iraq is still a mess or even worse civil war breaks out, and if there's a demand for paper trail voting machines then this might leave Georgie boy to stage an assassination attempt to gain sympathy and votes or even postponed the elections--crazy as it sounds but what's your take out there??

[Oddman]

22. Life is unfair . . .

It's a sad fact and a hard fact but bush will never be brought up on the numerous charges he could be brought up on.

[BurtWorm]

26. You can say that again.

The unfairness of life is made for assholes like Bush.

[Malva Zebrina]

28. He will slide out of anything and there will be no justice meted out

to him. He will maintain his fortune and lie for the rest of his life about his historical affinity with a Churchil or a Roosevelt or even Lincoln.

It is a crime to blow the cover of a CIA operative.

He did NOT seek to find out who in his administration leaked the information about Valerie Plame out.

He, the leader, the one ultimately responsible, ignored this issue re his staff and their role in it, apparently.

By using this approach, I suspect he thought he would again be able to circumvent the law and slide out of it by using threats and lies, or by simply shelving it and demanding the media never mention it or suffer the consequences of a
Bush in retalliation--ie--never to get another job in Washington.

Therefore, imo, he is guilty of complicity or at the least protecting the criminal.

He will slither around like a snake and be protected by those with wealthy connections and be saved, I agree. He will lie and lie and swear something else is truth and reality. He is a psychopath and a con man. But he will never be prosecuted for breaking any law, and he might even be lauded as a great man and a great leader. That is how far we have sunk in this country.

Justice and law are for the little guys only--not for the entitled like him.