"It's not the plan, it's the MAN!" Bill Maher on Larry King re: Kerry

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

Ok can I just say how much I officially LOVE Bill Maher.

That is EXACTLY how I feel, it's not the plan but the MAN that makes the difference. I want a president who can actually SEE SHADES OF GRAY. The world is a complex, complicated, nuanced, sophisticated place and someone who sees only in black and white just DOES NOT CUT IT!

He also said if we are going to be IN a war, he wants a president who has actually been IN a war. I agree. I want a president who has been affected by national foreign policy decisions on a very personal level.

Thanks Bill Maher for summing up perfectly for me what I have struggled to say for months now. It's NOT the plan, but the MAN.

[blm]

1. Very well said. Simpletons see nuance as a failing

while many of us see it as a sign of deeper intellect and holistic understanding.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

2. Yep, I TOTALLY agree.

Like the comic strips says that someone has in their siggy, "If 'elitist' just means not the dumbest motherf*cker in the room, then f*ck it, I'm an elitist."

[TNDemo]

3. I liked his bit on being a Washington insider

and how Bush doesn't understand he is as inside as they get.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

4. You just reminded me of something else he said

He said that a man who has been to war very often is like a guy who visits the slaughterhouse and becomes a vegetarian. (I would add "or he becomes a man who realizes he WILL eat meat IF it is the only option besides death by starvation).

I thought that was a great analogy. My husband has seen war and he is not gung-ho on it in the least. My father in law? Vietnam, same thing. And he's conservative, imagine that, a conservative who is very very highly cautious about war. But he went to Vietnam three times, the first two times as a grunt.

[KissMyAsscroft]

5. I love how he calls the media out...

Every time he is asked some asinine question about some dumb media manufactured thing he turns it around on them...it's great to watch.

He was right on last night, except for a few things that I disagree with him on....

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

6. What were those few things?

I am curious.

As a person with spiritual beliefs, it was a little hard to listen to him talk about how you can knock religion out of yourself etc etc, but hey free speech, he certainly is within his rights to say that and I can certainly see how fundie pseudo-Christians can make a person feel that way (I am a Christian myself and grrrrrrr......can't STAND fundies!!!!)

But other than that, I thought he was right on.

[maggrwaggr]

7. Yeah I like him except for his nihilism and his misanthropism

Other than that he really says what needs to be said and he can be funnier than shit.

[misanthrope]

13. Gee, what's wrong...

...with misanthropy? I've found that cynics arrive at that point by having very high ideals. We believe it is completely realistic and possible for humans to live much more ethically and with more sentience. It is all within reach but we fail, mostly out of myopia and self-involvement.

I think those who offer so many excuses for humanity's selfishness are the ones selling us short. They say mankind can do no better; we say "Bullshit. We can."

[maggrwaggr]

16. I'm talking about people who have no faith, no belief in human goodness

maybe we have different ideas of what "misanthropy" is.

I believe the Buddha, or God, lives in each and every one of us.

Unless you're just plain evil. In which case you need to be locked away so you can't hurt anybody.

Guys like Maher seem to think that we're a bunch of soulless animals. Funny soulless animals, maybe, but he seems to believe in a world without spirit. A world where faith is for suckers.

I find that a sad world view

[KissMyAsscroft]

15. Gotta read between the lines a bit...

He just means typical Christianity...fundies...

His unconditional support for Israel...but I can understand it...sort of bugs me although I am kind of neutral on that subject.

He is sort of a nihilist, like maggrwrr says below...

[kentuck]

8. That was so right on !

when they were talking about Kerry's plan is just like Bush's plan, etc....

[scrotim]

9. American voters don't like grey, they like black and white,

even though they know it's bullshit.

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. Great soundbite

Someone needs to pass that onto the Kerry campaign.

It ain't the meat, it's the motion.

It's not the plan, it's the man.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

11. Isn't it just the most complete, most accurate

summation of all your feelings regarding Kerry vs. bush?

It really is for me. I don't need to get into details. It's about the man. And I've seen more of bush than I care to (I am in Texas, ahem). I know it would be VERY difficult to get WORSE than bush and his cronies. So this is a no-brainer for me. Kerry.

It's not the motion, it's the meat cracked me up, too, though. Maybe we can brainstorm some more.

[DoYouEverWonder]

12. That was just a line

from an old blues song that Maria Muldar used to do.

I have one of those random access brains. Sometimes odd things fit themselves together and I get to spew them around here.

[Generator]

14. Loved it

He's the better man. Period.

[TexasSissy]

17. That was a terrific statement by Maher. He hit it right on the head.