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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 01:55 PM
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Kerry says: "he fell on his sword"
and so does Pelosi (tickers running at bottom of CNN and MSNBC). So for those of you entered in today's "what's up" sweeps who said that Tenent is the fall guy---ding, ding, ding---you win. And by tomorrow, Tenent will have saved the Bush presidency. He's the pefect patsy: ugly Dem appointed by ugly Clinton just gives Bush's base orgasms; and it gives a disgruntled America hope that they can go back and love Bush again. Unfortunately, they don't love Kerry because they don't know him except basically through Bush attack ads. They will definitely pick Bush (warts and all) over a phantom; and unfortunately with all the news centered one way or the other on Bush, Kerry will remain out of the news and continue to be a phantom. We can now blame all our troubles from 9/11 to even being in Iraq on Tenent---and I'm afraid in the coming weeks you are going to see that showing in the polls. That's why a campaign of waiting for Bush to destroy himself doesn't work and never will. Don't underestimate the "baa baa Sheep" mentality of the American people---they were sold many bills of goods and enough will fall for this one to save King George.
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IA_Young_Dem Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:00 PM
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1. Repubs will blame Clinton as usual,
and bush administration will make tenet carry all the blame.
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theivoryqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:02 PM
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2. God I hope Not!
We cannot be that stupid (as a country). I hope I hope I hope
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:06 PM
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4. wanna bet?
ok, won't be long before we hear this "logic" -- get ready for it

Tenent dropped the ball on 9-11
Tenent dropped the ball on the "yellow-cake"
Tenent dropped the ball in WMD's in Iraq
Tenent dropped the ball about Chalabi
Tenent's information caused bush* to invade Iraq
Tenent was appointed by Clinton

therefore --- it's all Clinton's fault

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theivoryqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:17 PM
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10. arrgh - my brain. i must go have beer now.
haveta admit - looks like this is the plan by all the press and commentary. I may need to take a vacation also.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:22 PM
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12. But then you have to ask yourself-
Why wouldn't they have deep-sixed Tenet months ago? Why has Bush kept Tenet on, when he could have been obvious scapegoat for this administration to pin all the problems on?

Maybe because Tenet knows the real story about the actions of this administration? Think back to his testimony about him briefing Bush in August of '01. Tenet never remembered about going to the pigfarm to brief Bush there, but Bush states he was there. Was he? Who's lying?

I'm not so sure that we will see Bush blaming it all on Tenet, because I think they may be scared witless about what Tenet really knows. Perhaps there's a mini-MAD agreement between Bush and Tenet....both could destroy the other with some very close kept secrets.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:11 PM
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16. diversion?
could be part of diverting attention...

we had a month long coverage of the Iraq Torture

then Chalabi's credibility goes down the toilet -- so that diverts attention from the Iraq Torture

but revelations about Chalabi doesn't seem to be boosting bush*'s numbers, if anything it hurts them

in between we had a small diversion of the "terralert that wasn't"

well, weekend is coming up and all the photo-ops with D-day and the Pope won't help much

so Tenent falls on his sword and there's the Sunday talk-show line up sprinkled generously with photo-ops of bush* trying not to look like an ass
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:04 PM
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3. Oh brother.
Doom. Gloom. Despair. Defeat.
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carolinayellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:06 PM
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5. Defeatism is demoralizing
Hey,

What are you trying to accomplish with all this doom and gloom? Arouse someone to argue you out of it? Or drag others down into it? I really find such confident predictions of endless success for * demoralizing.

CYD
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:08 PM
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6. I think you have it right with a single exception
Bush is lawyering up. Fecal matter will strike the rotational cooling device.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:13 PM
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8. received this e-mail and thought it was appropriate considering
Tenent's resignation.....

Read all of it to the very end. It gets to a point...

One day a farmer's donkey fell down into a well. The animal cried
piteously for hours as the farmer tried to figure out what to do.

Finally,he decided the animal was old, and the well needed to be covered up anyway; it just wasn't worth it to retrieve the donkey.

He invited all his neighbors to come over and help him They all
grabbed a shovel and began to shovel dirt into the well. At first,
the donkey realized what was happening and cried horribly. Then, to
everyone's amazement he quieted down.

A few shovel loads later, the farmer finally looked down the well.
He was astonished at what he saw. With each shovel of dirt that hit his back, the donkey was doing something amazing. He would shake it off and take a step up.

As the farmer's neighbors continued to shovel dirt on top of the
animal, he would shake it off and take a step up. Pretty soon,
everyone was amazed as the donkey stepped up over the edge of
the well and happily trotted off!

Life is going to shovel dirt on you, all kinds of dirt. The trick
to getting out of the well is to shake it off and take a step up.
Each of our troubles is a steppingstone. We can get out of the deepest
wells just by not stopping, never giving up! Shake it off and take a step up.

Remember the five simple rules to be happy:

1. Free your heart from hatred - Forgive.

2. Free your mind from worries - Most never happen.

3. Live simply and appreciate what you have.

4. Give more.

5. Expect less

NOW --------

Enough of that crap .

The donkey later came back and bit the shit out of the farmer who
had tried to bury him. The gash from the bite got infected, and the
farmer eventually died in agony from septic shock.

MORAL FROM TODAY'S LESSON:

When you do something wrong and try to cover your ass,
it always comes back to bite you
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:23 PM
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13. That's WONDERFUL! I'm already

formatting it in e-mail form to send to my friends and family, and I'm not one who forwards many e-mails.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:15 PM
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9. LOL!
I gotta remember that one, Walt!!!

I keep seeing that seen in "Airplane" when that fecal matter hit that rotational cooling device!
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upperleftedge Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:20 PM
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11. The waste is in the Westinghouse.
Yep, I believe Mr. Tenet will be leaking a lot before November. I know he said nice things about the guy in public, but in the company Bush is the guy that outed an agent. Nobody gets away with that. The CIA has a great deal of experience in fixing elections and destabilizing governments. Bush either has to take out the CIA or he will surely lose the election. I'm betting on the CIA, but Bush won't go gently into that Texas winter. There is major news on the way.
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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 03:22 PM
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17. Yep, I never ever thought I'd see the day
that I'd be rooting for the CIA! What a mad world this is, that compared to our "President" and his scummy cronies, they are the white hats!

I've always thought it would be the Plame affair that hangs them. I'm still hoping.
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Beetwasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:12 PM
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7. This Is An Admin. In Dissaray and this is DAMAGE Control
The BEST Bushco. can hope for in this situation is a neutral outcome, IOW, maybe this won't HURT him, but it certainly won't HELP him.

The appearance of disarray is NEVER good 6 months out from an election. We're at war with terrorist threats everywhere and the head of the CIA resigns right in the middle of it??? Good grief, that's NOT good any way you slice it.

And that's if you buy the notion this is completely "scripted" as it were and that Bushco. meant for this whole thing to happen as it did. I don't necessarily by that. It does not seem they were totally prepared for this abrupt departure.
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BabsSong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:24 PM
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14. Tonights evening news casts are going to go a long way to
determining how the people will perceive this. If they do what is showing around the edges today, it will be to lance the boil on Bush's nose and give the people hope that a new CIA is dawning and thus all will soon be well with the world (i.e., Bush got rid of the cause of and continuation of all troubles). If they present it as "is Bush doing this to save his hide" and thus raise more questions, it could be more trouble for Bush. Let's see: I bet Fox says the former. Wonder what ABC, CBS and NBC will say. Right now it seems reporters are trying to get some inside info but all they are getting is pat answers from Tenent and the White House assuring them that it was for (wink, wink) personal reasons. Perhaps someone will be able to do an "in your face" report tonight. If they fall for the talking points spin, then they will have brought a measure of damage control for Bush. This one guy, literally, can be blamed for everything (one couldn't have invented a better patsy).
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neuvocat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 02:29 PM
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15. Its probable they will try to use it for that.
However there will be a few problems with pulling it off. Fahrenheit 911 will erase whatever goodwill the White House will try to get out of it. Also, Tenet's "resignation" will not be perceived as a firing because it is Tenet taking responsibility for what has happened and not Bush.

As far as that comment about waiting of Bush to self-destruct, I generally agree that it isn't enough and that activism efforts will have to continue after the election regardless.

But to say it isn't working at all? Now that's a different story. We're talking about a man who could have used 911 to keep republicans in congress and the White House until the next millenium and Iraq has completely undone that-and that doesn't even include the families and friends of 911 victims or the families of those dead U.S. soldiers . Bush's extremism has undone Ronald Reagan's handiwork in the GOP and the party itself is headed for a likely fracture.
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