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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:25 PM
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I respectfully disagree with Will Pitt about Tenet.
If I get your take Will, you are implying that Tenet will fall on his sword for Bush one more time. Me no think so... Why... Because if will be permanently fatal for Mr. Tenet. His rep will be forever tarnished and his ability to live out the rest of his life somewhat guilt free just won't happen if he were to do that. NO...I think he'll take the road that Richard Clarke has taken except I think it will be a little more immediate. Like in the next 4 weeks. Just watch.. He ain't falling for the Neo's and Bush....

BTW: Hey Will... Let's make a bet... I say that Tenet comes out within a month, Guns a roaring against Bush! If he does you have to display a Phins logo near your name for a week..If not I'll display a Pats logo... You in?
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:26 PM
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1. Methinks Tenet has a big fat rich future ahead of him...thanks to *.
A favor returned is a favor earned. And no tell-all book is part of the favor, as well.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:27 PM
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3. That's riiiight. Tenet certainly won't fall on his sword out of the
goodness of his heart. Bushco has always rewarded loyalty.
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Alerter_ Donating Member (898 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:33 PM
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6. why not Tenet for Kerry's National Security Advisor or something?
If Tenet is a free agent, and testifies against Bush, why not President Kerry reward him? Gore said he was a friend, but needed to resign because he carried water for Bush. That gives him points for loyalty. Who knows?

What's with the second CIA resignation today?
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 09:37 PM
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18. I don't think Kerry would bother with Tenet any shape way or form
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 09:39 PM by 0007
Tenet is probably as dirty or dirtier than junior.

Dontcha think that the intelligence honchos were reporting to Tenet about every little thing going on at Abu Ghraib? I do!

The second CIA resignation was perhaps preordained frosting.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:31 PM
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22. Because he has a record of abject failure and incompetence?
That's one reason I can think of why not, anyway.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:40 PM
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17. OK, OK
I've heard this theory a couple o times today. .... My question is: Is there any form of acountability in the case of the pay package for a cabinet member? Freedom of information act? What? was the man eligible to retire? Did he receive an offer that he couldn't refuse? A Golden umbrella?
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:26 PM
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2. oooo throwing down the gaunlet
i sure hope you're right :)
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:30 PM
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4. yep
It's not just Tenet who takes a fall by being silent....it is the entire CIA organization whose reputation would be impuned. For anyone there, including Tenet, to know where blame belongs and allow all of CIA to unjustly take the heat seems unlikely. The truth will come out, which makes Tenet's silence even more unlikely.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:30 PM
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5. I think this is just a sign of a real power struggle
between the pro-Chalabi Pentagon intelligence operation and the anti-Chalabi CIA. The Plame outing was just a shot across the CIA's bow, warning them what would happen if the screwed up the deal on the lies leading to the invasion of Iraq.

Now we have Bush lawyering up, the report "Witnesses told a federal grand jury President George W. Bush knew about, and took no action to stop, the release of a covert CIA operative's name to a journalist in an attempt to discredit her husband, a critic of administration policy in Iraq." from http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4629.shtml followed closely by Tenet's resignation. I have a strong feeling that he realized that the enmity to the CIA was from the very highest office, and decided it was time to walk away. I also think he realized he was being set up to take the fall for 9/11.

It will be interesting to hear what he says in the coming months.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:36 PM
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7. No way
You're wrong. Fuck you. Kiss my ass. Eat shit and die.

:)

Hey, this is one of those I'll-Love-To-Be-Wrong scenarios. I'll give you full props if he does as you say. I think, however, ol' George is about to get a juicy offer from Carlyle or Dyncorp or Bechtel.
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:39 PM
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8. I dare him to take one of those offers....
... It's certainly going to be interesting the next couple of weeks...
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:36 PM
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23. The Bushies haven't shown any reluctance to do so...
From Mother Jones - the list of Bushies (and others) who went from gov't positions related to health care to nice jobs in the private sector.

I can only imagine how long the list would be if it was not specific to Medicare issues.

My bet is Tenet had an offer sewn up before he left.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:55 PM
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13. Another interesting scenario
Your comment about Bush bailing to the private sector brings up another interesting scenario.

Tenet knows the BA distorted intelligence to lead us to a war of choice... but in the interest of avoiding the national upheaval of a criminal president quits to temporarily take the heat and holds his tongue... but as a condition requires Bush to come clean at a certain point and quit the job. Tenet ends up looking great, CIA exhonerated, Bush out (which RNC probably wants anyway...a losing horse), smoother transition than if we tuned into CNN to see Bush being led away from the White House in irons (a true national disgrace which Tenet or most patriots would like to see avoided).

All's well that ends well in Tenet's mind...and there's some justice in it. Sounds better to me than leaving for undisclosed "personal reasons".

Reasonable or have I been reading too many conspiracy theory posts?

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Amaya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:40 PM
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9. I agree with you
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 06:40 PM by Amaya
The damn is about to break. No way in hell, Tenet goes silently into the backdrop. Some hell is gonna be paid first...IMO

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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:28 PM
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15. He got the senate report preview and it hurt
That is why he ran like a bunny.

but the report also hits the bushlite crowd pretty bad, from what I heard. We will see.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:40 PM
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10. i agree ,i think tenet will
will defend the CIA..the cia is getting the fuck`n shaft on this whole Iraqi bullshit. i`ll display a Boston red sox if i`m wrong..the Red Sox versus White Sox coming up...series may decide alot in the American Leauge....
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:50 PM
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12. Will you are wrong on this one.
I read all of your articles on Truth Out and agree with most of what you write but not on this one. I feel that Tenet is stepping down and out of the way for his own preservation and letting the rank and file field ops dogs lose on the Neo Fascists.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 06:48 PM
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11. Bush and Rove Were Surprised.
I also agree with you.

But William might be right. He made a strong case for his opinion. I just can't get past the surprise element. I don't think Bush or rove saw this coming.

We'll know soon enough. It won't take long.
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Solomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:26 PM
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14. There's only one ex-CIA chief that wasn't executed, and that's
****** ******* ****** ****.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 07:34 PM
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16. Excellent point.
Poppy must be lonely.
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:29 PM
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21. As long as truth is no guide to excellence nt
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Mom_and_Dad Donating Member (65 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:12 PM
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19. Only one ex-CIA Chief that wasn't executed...
Please explain this statement.

You have said that all other ex CIA Chiefs WERE executed?

How were they terminated?

What reason was given for this action? Treason?

Please be precise in your replies.

If this is jargon I would like to know.

I have seen too many people die for little or know reason in the past
few years and I am beginning to see and frightening and ugly, yet
almost unbelievable, pattern emerging.

thanks,
Brian.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:23 PM
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20. Not even close to being correct...
...read the entries for each Director:

<http://www.cia.gov/csi/books/dddcia/contents.html>
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:40 PM
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24. Two words: John Poindexter
Edited on Thu Jun-03-04 11:40 PM by Taverner
Fell on his sword during Iran Contra. Took the fall for all of them.

Later repaied under this administration with a nice cushy job.
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RafterMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-03-04 11:42 PM
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25. The problem with the fall guy scenario
is that attempts to scapegoat the CIA will cause the CIA to fight back, with or without Tenet.

If that's Bush's plan, I think it's going to backfire.
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