What need to be done with Norway?

[EldreEdda]

Did you know that we have a small force in Iraq, even though we weren't part of the invasion force ("coalition of the willing" :))? And Bush speaks of the broad coalition by mentioning us. I think that's deceptive.

What do you think of Norway's role in other conflicts and what should be done to Norway? Embargo? I saw in a poll that alot of Americans would favorize an embargo on Sweden if the current situation remains, and I was quite shocked.

[EldreEdda]

1. Any opinons on this?

:)

[Vickers]

2. Whoa, are you accusing Georgie of being deceptive?

DO YOU WANT THE TERRORISTS TO WIN?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Love,

KKKarl Rove

:P

[EldreEdda]

4. Hehe

That's a good one. ;) Karl Rove has some Norwegian blood is that right?

[Vickers]

6. If he does, I won't hold that against you

:)

Welcome to DU, by the way!

[EldreEdda]

17. Thanks!

for both of those statements. Hehe. :)

[mitchtv]

3. welcome to DU

there is not much Norwegian products to Boycott here . I presume you mean boycott for 'embargo'. I have heard nothing negative of Sweden. Denmark, however, apparently needs new leadership

[EldreEdda]

5. Norway

We have lots of oil, but I guess we don't export that much to you guys, mostly to "old Europe" in pipes. Here, we have a center-right government, however our conservative party which is in government now, is more liberal than most US democrats. We have a very liberal way of thinking in Scandinavia.

I think that poll was made by Michael Moore if I'm not mistaken, lol I thought it was funny. What has Sweden ever did to you guys?

[PeeWeeTheMadman]

30. Hey

Another norwegian on this board, nice.

Are you active on norwegian boards? I`m the rather infamous #PeeWee the Libertarian hater#

[EldreEdda]

35. Nice!

No, i'm not active on any Norwegian boards really. :) I sometimes visit the VG boards though, but aren't registered. Are you active there?

[PeeWeeTheMadman]

37. Yes, I certainly am!

I have had the nicks GoldenCore, PeeWee, McFly, Solidarius, HarryHate, Pedalen, PWherman, ErnstRøhm and many others.

[EldreEdda]

38. hehe, you must have many phones

I thought of registering there one time, but i remember they wanted my phone number, so i didn't bother. ;) I guess I have read some of your posts there then! ;)

Are there any other Norwegians here you know of?

[PeeWeeTheMadman]

39. I`m the only one that I know of

I haven`t ever used my own phone really, I just borrowed from friends, and during the last months, I have got "donations" from other members of the VGD board.

[FreeState]

55. Ikke Norsk

Hey,

Jeg er ikke Norsk, men jeg var Mormon Misjonaer i Norge (1990-1992). Mormon er jeg ikke lenger :)

Jeff

[EldreEdda]

59. Du snakker bra norsk

for bare å ha vært her i 2 år! Very nice! ;)

[PeeWeeTheMadman]

60. Hei

Jeg er ikke mormoner selv, men jeg må si at mormonske misjonærer er mye hyggeligere å møte enn "misjonærer" for de andre "frimenighetene".

Hvordan var det i Norge?

[salin]

69. a couple of half-norwegians

that I know of... including... myself. My mother's roots are in Bergen and Oslo - with relatives in numerous parts of the country.

I live in the midwest in the states.

[salin]

68. and the only folks it would frustrate here are Norwegian Americans

looking to get things like akavit, flat bread, and other Norwegian staples...

[NoPasaran]

7. This is the very first I've heard about an embargo

I thought we were friends---allies even.

I'm sure most of the Americans who would favor an embargo on Sweden, or Norway, couldn't find either place on a map.

[EldreEdda]

11. Do you hear anything about what Norwegians do?

In the USA?

[Borknagar]

13. Well

I don't hear a lot about Norway but I do listen to a lot of Norwegian bands.

[EldreEdda]

14. The midget

Norway really is a very small country so it's not that weird. We are your allies, and friends should tell their friends when they disagree (like Iraq) and not just hump along. Nice to hear that you listen to Norwegian music! What bands do you like?! I don't listen that much to Norwegian music, I like Calexico and they're American. ;)

[NoPasaran]

Not a lot, it's true

Of course, we don't hear much about what's going on in the USA either. And what we do hear (about the USA) is usually unpleasant!

[Bandit]

49. I heard you all know how to fish

It seems the Georgia Banks were a problem for some. Not sure if you all were involved in that little scuffle or not.

[IconoclastIlene]

8. Eat more lutefisk.

an stay out of international affairs.

[EldreEdda]

9. More lutefisk? hehe

Yeah, maybe we should stay out of international affairs, but we did tried to do some good stuff in the Israel-Palestine conflict, and we're trying to negotiate in Sri Lanka too though. At least I think it's more constructive than what the USA is currently doing in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[EDT]

10. I've spent alot of time in Oslo, love Viegland park

Not sure if I got the spelling right, but have to work there sometimes, and always enjoy my days off.

[EldreEdda]

12. oh, that's nice!

Vigelandsparken is a pretty nice in the summer-time. What did you work with here?!?

[EDT]

15. You guys have a company called Kongsberg Marine, does ship related stuff

I work for a company in the US that does ship related stuff too, and both companies have a couple products made cooperatively.

The thing I remember most is, my first time there we had to find alot of electronic parts we didn't bring over, and found an electronics company that had their warehouse on the other side of Oslo. We paid at the office for the parts we needed, but when we got to the warehouse on the other side of town, realized we need hundreds of dollars more of stuff.

The warehouse manager trusted us to pay the balance, eventhough we were foreigners and just paying in cash. He gave us the hundreds of dollars more of parts, and trusted us to drive back to the main office and pay on our way out of Oslo. Very honest.

[EldreEdda]

22. Sounds great

Not everyone here are that nice, but maybe we are abit more naive/nice (depending on how you see it) than most others. ;)

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

16. Are you Norwegian? Ever heard of Sverre Fenn?

He is a Norwegian architect and he's excellent. His Hamar Museum is a work of genius.

[EldreEdda]

18. I am

Though I have never heard of him. Do you know him personally? I am not really into the architecture world. ;)

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

24. no, I have never met him...and Welcome!

I just know his works, and saw an exhibition of his work in Chicago.


There is another influential Norwegian in architecture, the critic and historian Christian Norberg-Schultz.

About the only Norwegian I knew personally was a school freind in Chicago, and another who was in college with me.

They were born in the USA, but their parents where from Norway.


Anyway, welcome to DU!

[EldreEdda]

28. Thank you!

I hope to study in the USA some time! ;)

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

19. on edit, its Sverre Fehn

http://www.pritzkerprize.com/secone97.htm

"The architecture of Norwegian Sverre Fehn is a fascinating and exciting combination of modern forms tempered by the Scandinavian tradition and culture from which it springs. He gives great primacy in his designs to the relationship between the built and the natural environment.

Eschewing the clever, the novel and the sensational, Fehn has pursued his version of twentieth century modernism steadily and patiently for the past fifty years. With one carefully designed project after another, he has displayed a virtuosity and creativity that now ranks him among the leading architects of the world. "

[EldreEdda]

23. Interesting

Wow, I had never heard of him. He should get more praise here then. Are you an architect?

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

26. yes I am

Yes, I am an architect. I also studied geography.

Architecture is a very international field, but not too many outside of it are familiar with it, or who the great architects are.

Anyway, Norway. We dont know much about the place here in the USA, except from the usual stereotypes of fiords and vikings, and maybe the Maelstrom (from the story by Edgar Alan Poe), and World War II.

[never cry wolf]

41. Well, now I just HAVE to jump in

I am an architect in chicago, I spent a year of college in europe and traveled to Norway to visit my ancestor's home towns of Junkoping and Nykoping, Norway. The first night we drove in to Oslo, it must have been about 4 am, we stumbled onto Vigelung park, it was misty, kind of twilight (early June, never really a full night) and it was absolutely surreal, a memory I will never forget.

Norway is a beautiful country and I was very impressed by the friendliness of the people.

Hey Waverly, are you in Chicago?


Welcome to DU EldreEdda. ha det bra :hi:

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

43. No, unfortunatly!...

..im in Ohio, but a native Chicagoan.

[EldreEdda]

46. Thanks!

Hehe, you know your Norwegian pretty good! ;)

I just thought about those two places you were, those sounded very Swedish! Nyköping and Jönköping would have to be in Sweden!

[never cry wolf]

62. Well.....

You are correct sir, now that you remind me of it, those were the Swedish towns north of Stockholm. I must have had brain cramps, and still do because I can't remember the Norwegian towns I visited, damn! It was after the school year ended and my dad sent some extra cash for me to visit both his ancestral villages. Hey, it was 25 years, and many brain cells ago.

I do remember LOVING Copenhagen on the way, was not very inpresssed with Stockholm (many drunk young teens) and Oslo and Norway blew me away with their beauty.

[EldreEdda]

63. I understand

I completely understand that you have forgotten the names after so long!!

Nice to hear that you enjoyed Norway though! ;) I think the USA and Norway will get a much better friendship with Kerry as your president! ;)

[WolverineDG]

20. well what i do

when the neocons start saying "boycott france, boycott canada" is to add those countries to my travel list. :)

if they start yammering about norway, i'll start thumbing "lonely planet:norway" guides too. :party:

dg

[LondonReign2]

21. Isn't it punishment enough to have to eat that dried fish stuff?

:) No, actually, I thought Norway was wonderful when we were there. Of course, I had to claim to be Canadian at the time what with several idiot ugly American tourists I saw-- like the one demanding/wondering loudly why the guy at the ice cream stand wouldn't take his American dollars.

[EldreEdda]

27. Hehe, we don't eat lutefisk and dried fish :)

At least 98% of us doesn't. ;)

The bad part is that most Norwegians really has gotten a much worse picture of the Americans after Bush's time as president, and I think it will take a long time to improve the view of most Scandinavians (perhaps you don't care that much about it ;)) The typical view here is: I don't like that the act like a world police, they should not be so arrogant and stop destroying the earth with all the polluting.

[preciousdove]

67. Its now imported to Norway from the US MIdwest n/t

Ole and Brita's greatgrandaughter here.

[trof]

25. I'll just thank you for

"I REMEMBER MAMA"
A heartwarming TV show that ran 7/1/49 - 3/17/1957



I Remember Mama Tidbits

"I remember the big white house on Elm Street, and my little sister Dagmar, and my big brother Nels, and Papa. But most of all, I remember Mama."

Mama was the story of a Norwegian-American family living in San Francisco in 1910. The story is told through the eyes of daughter Katrin (Rosemary Rice). The show opened looking through the pages of the family album and remembering.

Mama was played by veteran stage actress Peggy Wood who created one of the warmest characters ever to grace television.

In 1956 they cancelled Mama but popular support from the public brought it back for a 13 week run on Sunday afternoons from December ot March of 1957.

Sadly, except for that last 13 weeks, Mama was telecast live rather than filmed and so we have no taped record of the show.
http://www.fiftiesweb.com/tv/i-remember-mama.htm

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

29. Norweigians in America...ElrdreEdda, you might be interested in this.

There are a few stereotypes about Norweigians in the USA as there was quite a bit emigration here.

Heres a map of where they settled:

[PeeWeeTheMadman]

31. That`s the reason norwegian are such a sympathetic people

We exported most of our rightwing maniacs to you guys.

[EldreEdda]

34. Haha!

That's a nice way to put it. ;)

[EldreEdda]

32. Cool

I was interested in that kind of map. ;) I visited my own ancestors over there three years ago, and they lived in Montana. Hehe, I guess it was natural that Minnesota and the other northern states became populated by scandinavians and partly Germans, as the weather were more similar and the population densities in those states were more similiar to Scandinavia. Good ol' farmers enjoying the nature ;)

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

33. Lots of Finns in Upper Michigan.

They even used to have Finnish language radio programs there.

[EldreEdda]

36. Uff da!

Hehe, that would be a nice comment to that information. ;) It just means; Oh my...lol we don't like Finns! ;) j/k

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

40. Actually there is a big Scandinavian influence in the upper midwest

Not just the Norwegians and Finns, but also Swedes and Danes, and even Icelanders.

You might be familiar with Garrison Keilor and his radio show, "The Prarie Home Companion".

This show was why there is some awareness about Scandinavians in US culture, where the references to "lutefisk" come from, as Keilor sort of pokes fun at the Germans and Norwegians in his fictional town of "Lake Wobegon".

[never cry wolf]

44. Both of my dad's parent's moved from Minnesota to Chicago

Grandma was Norse, Grandpa Sweedish. My mom's parents were from downstate Illinois and Indiana, one German, one Dutch.

We have a cabin on an island in Lake of the Woods, Ontario, just north of International Falls, Minnesota. We have been going up there for years. When I went to Norway my first impression was that the landscape was the same, just a bit hillier.

I don't think you get the extreme cold that they do in the upper midwest though, 30 to 40 below 0 is not uncommon (F).

[eridani]

66. Also in Seattle--Ballard, ya sure, you betcha!

How do people in Ballard celebrate the 4th of July?

The Swedes throw firecrackers at the Norwegians, and then the Norwegians light them and throw them back. ;-)

BTW, isn't 'uff da' Norwegian for 'Oy vey'?

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

42. Anyway, back to Norway and its role in the world.

There is this sterotype of the Norwegians as "Scandinavian Arabs"..becuase they have all this oil (and you know how addicted the USA is to oil)

But we also know that Norway didn't join the EU, and we wonder about that.

And, yes, the Olso Accords...that was a suprise, and a worthy effort.

I guess this has something to do with Norway being the place where the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded (which is in itself interesting as Afred Nobel was a Swede, but specified that this particular prize be awarded by the Nowegians).

[EldreEdda]

45. Yeah, that would be what people that follow politics would know about us

And that is not that bad for a tiny country with only 4 million people. ;)

We don't want to join the EU basically because people don't really see what we gain from it (as we would be the richest country (per capita of course) in the EU if we joined, and people are sceptical about handing over so much power to Brussels. However, the polls have been in favor of a membership for a long time now, so I presume we would be a member sooner or later (at least before Switzerland!).

[Skittles]

47. my paternal grandparents were Norwegian

from Trondheim (sp?)

[EldreEdda]

48. neat!

Trondheim is perfectly correct. ;) I've read one time that there are more Americans with Norwegian ancestry than Norwegians living in Norway! I don't know really how far back on the pedigree they counted though. ;)

[Skittles]

50. I remember them using the expression UFF DA a lot

or something like that :)

[EldreEdda]

52. hehe

yeah, I even used it in this thread. ;)

[salin]

70. No kidding

my maternal grandparents were from Norway as well (Oslo and Bergen)

[HEyHEY]

51. Oensk velkommen til DU!

HEY!

[EldreEdda]

53. Tusen takk!

;) Do you have Norwegian blood too?

[HEyHEY]

56. Nope, I have babble fish translator!

;-)

[rumguy]

54. Are you in Norway now?

If so, what do your fellow citizens think of the US?

How did Norwegian troops get in Iraq?

[EldreEdda]

57. US policies not very popular

Basically what Norwegians think of the US is that you should stop acting like the world police interefering everywhere. This is a broad point of view here in Norway. Then most Norwegians don't like that the US don't care about the environment. Polls in Norway showed before the war that 80-90% was against the Iraq-war. But of course, we are like most countries in Europe, we seem to love the American culture, with fast-food, their music, Hollywood movies and all that stuff. ;)

The Norwegian Military didn't participate in the invasion, but we joined soon after the "major combat operations" were over, to help build up infrastructure in Iraq. We have a central-conservative coalition government who are quite US friendly.

[rumguy]

58. Would most Norwegians be surprised at how many here in the US

can't stand the shrub?

[EldreEdda]

61. Definitely

Even though you would have a hard time changing the very negative view Norwegians have been getting of Americans in Bush's time as a president. It's easy to forget that so many Americans didn't vote for him, when he now is the elected president of the USA. Personally, I don't understand how so many Americans can vote for the guy. He's really cruel to all the poor people in your country, not to mention that you don't even have health care for everyone. Here in Norway, free health care and a decent minimum salary is taken for granted.

[bobbieinok]

64. lots of Norwegian settlers in Iowa

Story City - June Scandinavian Days....primarily Norwegian, big Sons of Norway dinner on Sat

Norwegian museum in Decorah Iowa - was visited by some member of the Norwegian royal family some years ago

I lived in Ames IA for a while. There is a church there that has strong Norwegian influence. Every fall they have a fall festival to raise money where they sell crafts. But primarily they sell Norwegian foods and have a Norwegian tea room where they sell kringla, rosettes, and lots of othere Norwegian pastries. I really miss kringla. (Until I went to the first 'tea room' I had never heard of these foods.)

[meow mix]

65. you have Apoptygma Berzerk, they rool put them in charge. thanks /nt

[Sabriel]

71. Boycott Norway, I say!

Personally, I'm going to stop saying "uff da," give up lefse with butter, and smash the "Elling" DVD I just bought. That'll show 'em. (And then I'll go drink some rather excellent French wine I bought after the last "boycott.")

Sabriel