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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 02:48 PM
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If its Tenet's fault for bad intel,what about the office of Special Plans?
WTF?

Rummy had his own intell network. Man this is just too much!
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 02:56 PM
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1. shhhhh.... They're counting on people NOT knowing about OSP!
It's working, too. Everyone, including the major news media, just pretends it never existed, and voila! -- blame Tenet!

Ain't that slick?

sw
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 12:30 AM
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16. Or PNAC. Or Karen Kwiatkowski. Or Sibel Edmonds ......
If I wasn't such a rational person I'd say there's some big-ass conspiracy in the media to NOT report some extremely big chunks of the truth.

Oh, and don't forget:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=716&e=3&u=/ap/20040603/ap_on_re_us/terror_suspect_deported

AP: Administration Freed Terror Suspect

By JOHN SOLOMON, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - Nabil al-Marabh, once imprisoned as the No. 27 man on the FBI (news - web sites)'s list of must-capture terror suspects, is free again. He's free despite telling a Jordanian informant he planned to die a martyr by driving a gasoline truck into a New York City tunnel, turning it sideways, opening its fuel valves and having an al-Qaida operative shoot a flare to ignite a massive explosion.
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DinahMoeHum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 03:03 PM
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2. OSP - Douglas Feith. According to General Tommy Franks. . .
Feith is the "...fucking stupidest guy on the face of the earth."

from Bob Woodward's book - "Plan of Attack"


:bounce:
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 03:04 PM
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3. Shhh. There is no such thing as the office of special plans
I didn't say this.

You are not reading this.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 03:05 PM
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4. I tried to call in to Diane Rehm's show this a.m. to ask about that
We all need to call in to every show we can, and write LTTE's - it's our duty to remind people. We know darned well the whore media won't!
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 03:12 PM
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7. I cannot fathom
why Tenet himself doesn't remind us. What is it about Bushco that compels the likes of Tenet, Powell, Whitman, et al to suffer blame for Dubya's bullheaded fuckups, endure public humiliation without raising even a whimper in protest?
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:17 PM
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12. I'm beginning to suspect it's threats
Not sure of anything else that really makes sense.

:shrug:
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Poiuyt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 03:05 PM
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5. We haven't heard much about the OSP lately
We neede to get this before the public's eye more than it is.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 08:15 AM
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20. a diligent OSP awareness KICK!
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dennis4868 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 12:08 PM
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23. Also......
you never hear in the mainstreem "liberal" media about Cheney going down to the CIA and pressuring the CIA to give him the evidence for war! Plus, where in the media do you hear that ENTIRE AGENCIES, not just a few people here and there, warned Bush before the war that the WMD threat from Iraq was very doubtful?
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 03:06 PM
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6. Shhhhhh. You'll scare the children.
OSP? What OSP? I didn't see any frickin' OSP.

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LeftHander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 03:18 PM
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8. "These aren't the droids you are looking for..."
Nothing more to see here....move along...
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Az Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 03:20 PM
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9. You'r Jedi mind tricks will.... brgsg these aren't the droids we are.....
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 03:23 PM
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10. General Zinni said it was Pentagon's "Office of Special Plans" NOT .......
Edited on Fri Jun-04-04 03:24 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
bad intel...read his book "Battle Ready" with Tom Clancy just released

Zinni was on MSNBC debrah norwich and OSP was main topic accompanied by photos of all 5 OSP criminals: Wolfowitz, Perle, Rumsfeld, Feith, and another i didn't recognize although cheney should round it out
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 03:52 PM
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11. But being the good little Freeper that she is

she kept bringing up that "many of your comments, general, are aimed
at previous administrations, many of the systemic problems at the
Pentagon were there during the Clinton administration"... blah blah
blah.

Always trying to blame Clinton. Kept mentioning that Chalabi
was brought in "while Clinton was in office" ( and never mentioned
that it was the Repug CONGRESS that started funding him and the other
Iraqi expats - Clinton just went along with it ).

Clancy is a big time wing nut militarist, but during the interview
all he would say was "boy, those 4 star generals are really, really
smart" and "They are the professionals of their business, the civilians
should leave the running of the military to them" and stuff like that.

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 05:41 PM
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14. most spectactular Zinni quote about corupt bush* from the book .......
Edited on Fri Jun-04-04 05:46 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
"In the lead-up to the Iraq War and its later conduct, I saw at a minimum, true dereliction, negligence, and irresponsibility, at worse, lying, incompetence and corruption."
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 12:35 AM
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17. NO SHIT?!
How come I haven't heard about this yet?

Where is this book? When did it come out? Why isn't this shit all over the news?
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 12:41 AM
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18. It's right there on the top of the "Publisher's Weekly" review on Amazon!
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0399151761/qid=1086413808/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-1395149-1853740  


Editorial Reviews
From Publishers Weekly
"In the lead-up to the Iraq War and its later conduct, I saw at a minimum, true dereliction, negligence, and irresponsibility, at worse, lying, incompetence and corruption." So says former U.S. Central Command commander in chief Zinni, who retired in September 2000 and has been outspoken ever since regarding the uses and abuses of the U.S. military. This book is the latest of Clancy's nonfiction Commanders series, which has previously featured collaborations with Gen. Fred Franks Jr. of the army, Gen. Chuck Horner of the air force and Gen. Carl Stiner, formerly U.S. Special Operations commander. As in those books, Clancy gives adequate background on his subject and his subject's context, then quotes him liberally, consigning tens of pages at a time to Zinni's italicized first-person reflections. Beginning the book with the 1998 CentCom-coordinated attack on Saddam Hussein (the unfortunately named Operation Desert Fox), Clancy and Zinni next move through 150 or so pages of Zinni's service as a Philadelphia-born (in 1947) Marine infantry officer during Vietnam and his racially charged Headquarters and Service stint on Okinawa in the early '70s. The book then flashes forward to the end of the Cold War and steams along from there, with details on Zinni's European command service, including 1990 meetings with a recently de-Sovietized Russian army and support operations during the Persian Gulf War. Zinni joined CentCom just in time for the Somalia debacle, and he is candid about its failings. Over the next years, Zinni traveled widely in parts of the world that were obscure to the U.S. then (Pakistan, Central Asia), but are central now, and played cat-and-mouse with Saddam regarding weapons inspections all through the late '90s. But it is Zinni's 24-page closing statement, "The Calling," that will sell the book to nonbuff civilians, summing up his service and the ways in which he feels his generation's legacy is in jeopardy.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 04:39 PM
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13. Who?
Do I smell treason? YOU may know there's an OSP, and there definitely IS an OSP, but that doesn't mean that there's an OSP, and even if there was, why would you hate god and be a traitor?
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-04-04 11:30 PM
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15. Kick for the evening crew!
:kick:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 12:41 AM
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19. Goddam straight. Read the sig link below.
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 09:57 AM
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21. Keeping this kicked
:kick:
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 12:03 PM
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22. This lil' gem needs a good KICK in the butt!
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