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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 06:49 PM
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From the desk of GWB on June 1: Faith-Based Executive Order
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 06:52 PM by gristy
A new department is formed which reports directly to the White House. :scared:

on edit - here's the link: http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/06/20040601-1.html

Executive Order Responsibilities of the Departments of Commerce and Veterans Affairs and the Small Business Administration with Respect to Faith-Based and Community Initiatives

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to help the Federal Government coordinate a national effort to expand opportunities for faith-based and other community organizations and to strengthen their capacity to better meet America's social and community needs, it is hereby ordered as follows:

Section 1. Establishment of Centers for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives at the Departments of Commerce and Veterans Affairs and the Small Business Administration.

(a) The Secretaries of Commerce and Veterans Affairs and the Administrator of the Small Business Administration shall each establish within their respective agencies a Center for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (Center).

(b) Each of these Centers shall be supervised by a Director, appointed by the agency head in consultation with the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives (White House OFBCI).

(c) Each agency shall provide its Center with appropriate staff, administrative support, and other resources to meet its responsibilities under this order.

(d) Each Center shall begin operations no later than 45 days from the date of this order.

Sec. 2. Purpose of Executive Branch Centers for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. The purpose of the agency Centers will be to coordinate agency efforts to eliminate regulatory, contracting, and other programmatic obstacles to the participa-tion of faith-based and other community organizations in the provision of social and community services.

Sec. 3. Responsibilities of the Centers for Faith-Based and Community Initiatives. Each Center shall, to the extent permitted by law:

(a) conduct, in coordination with the White House OFBCI, an agency-wide audit to identify all existing barriers to the participation of faith-based and other community organizations in the delivery of social and community services by the agency, including but not limited to regulations, rules, orders, procurement, and other internal policies and practices, and outreach activities that either facially discriminate against or otherwise discourage or disadvantage the participation of faith-based and other community organizations in Federal programs;

(b) coordinate a comprehensive agency effort to incorporate faith-based and other community organizations in agency programs and initiatives to the greatest extent possible;

(c) propose initiatives to remove barriers identified pursuant to section 3(a) of this order, including but not limited to reform of regulations, procurement, and other internal policies and practices, and outreach activities;

(d) propose the development of innovative pilot and demonstration programs to increase the participation of faith-based and other community organizations in Federal as well as State and local initiatives; and

(e) develop and coordinate agency outreach efforts to disseminate information more effectively to faith-based and other community organizations with respect to programming changes, contracting opportunities, and other agency initia-tives, including but not limited to Web and Internet resources.

Sec. 4. Reporting Requirements. (a) Report. Not later than 180 days from the date of this order and annually there-after, each of the three Centers described in section 1 of this order shall prepare and submit a report to the President through the White House OFBCI.

(b) Contents. The report shall include a description of the agency's efforts in carrying out its responsibilities under this order, including but not limited to:

(i) a comprehensive analysis of the barriers to the full participation of faith-based and other community organizations in the delivery of social and community services identified pursuant to section 3(a) of this order and the proposed strategies to eliminate those barriers; and

(ii) a summary of the technical assistance and other information that will be available to faith-based and other community organizations regarding the program activities of the agency and the preparation of applications or proposals for grants, cooperative agreements, contracts, and procurement.

(c) Performance Indicators. The first report, filed pursuant to section 4(a) of this order, shall include annual performance indicators and measurable objectives for agency action. Each report filed thereafter shall measure the agency's performance against the objectives set forth in the initial report.

Sec. 5. Responsibilities of the Secretaries of Commerce and Veterans Affairs and the Administrator of the Small Business Administration. The Secretaries and the Administrator shall:

(a) designate an employee within their respective agencies to serve as the liaison and point of contact with the White House OFBCI; and

(b) cooperate with the White House OFBCI and provide such information, support, and assistance to the White House OFBCI as it may request, to the extent permitted by law.

Sec. 6. Administration and Judicial Review. (a) The agency actions directed by this executive order shall be carried out subject to the availability of appropriations and to the extent permitted by law.

(b) This order is not intended to, and does not, create any right or benefit, substantive or procedural, enforceable at law or in equity by a party against the United States, its departments, agencies, instrumentalities or entities, its officers, employees or agents, or any other person.

GEORGE W. BUSH THE WHITE HOUSE,

June 1, 2004.
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MasonJar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:04 PM
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1. GWB just doesn't know that there is a Constitution. n/t
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:09 PM
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2. This is unconstitutional- who needs to hear about this?
Is this something Congress can overturn? Or does it require a lawsuit? Seriously, what course of action to fight this? I refuse to allow my taxes to pay for this without a fight.
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:28 AM
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20. and how...
will you do that?
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:54 AM
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22. Does anyone know? Who overturns Executive Orders?
Surely the president just can't run around making decrees without some *potential* oversight. Particularly one as unconstitutional as this.
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Redhead488 Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 06:59 AM
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24. He can indeed do this and make them binding on the Executive Branch
No one except a succeeding President can override an Executive Order.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 08:02 AM
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29. Following the money-who funds this? The Executive Branch out of
a slush fund? Or does it go before Congress in some bill for the money? One can't pay all these lobbyists without some cashola.
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Redhead488 Donating Member (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 08:07 AM
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31. They fund it out of exsisting funds
until the next budget cycle, when they can include it as part of the PB for each agency it impacts.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 08:11 AM
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32. It certainly does!
:grr:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:10 PM
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3. I read parts of this. What is he trying to do here?
I got the part of taking down barriers preventing faith based orgs. from working with Commerce, Veterans Affairs and the SBA, but what is it exactly that he wants to be able to do?
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:21 PM
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4. I think the part you "got" is the primary purpose of this order
The purpose of the agency Centers will be to coordinate agency efforts to eliminate regulatory, contracting, and other programmatic obstacles to the participa-tion of faith-based and other community organizations in the provision of social and community services.

I read this as a gov't-funded LOBBYING ORGANIZATION whose primary purpose is to strong-arm Congress and state organizations so as to allow faith-based organizations to work their "miracles".
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 09:27 PM
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11. They aren't allowed to do that now? I still don't understand.
I thought most of Shrubs faith based programs were trying to get funding for the church programs and such. It doesn't look like that's in this order. It looks like the opposite....let the churches help the agencies.

I don't know for sure, but I suspect if "church people" approached any of these agencies and asked to help, I doubt they'd be turned away.
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kimchi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 10:45 PM
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15. I couldn't put my finger on it; but yeah, LOBBYING ORGANIZATION
is the perfect description.

Unfrigginreal.
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:21 PM
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5. veterans????????? what in the hell is he doing? Now they may have to
get their care by the local church?
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:25 PM
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6. Caught my attention as well
maybe faith-based substance abuse programs for veterans - paid for by cutting direct services???
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 07:29 PM
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7. I grew up in a small town of 10,000 people and we had one
Hospital. It was St. Anns Hospital run by the Catholic Church. All the Doctors in town worked there at one time or another. I have no religion myself but I wouldn't mind some government funding (help) for that hospital.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 09:23 PM
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8. I don't know about St. Ann's but the Catholic hosp. in Pgh got
fed funding. My Dr. who delivered my kids worked there. He wasn't Catholic, and I think the major link was the Chapel and the availability of a Priest all the time if you wanted one. A long time ago, many of the nurses were nuns, but no longer.
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 09:27 PM
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9. What does that have to do with this?nt
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 09:27 PM
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10. What does that have to do with this?nt
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 07:30 AM
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17. Aren't we talking about funding for faith-based institutions?
:shrug: This was a faith-based institution that did good things. It was in fact the only hospital in town at the time. All I'm suggesting is that there is more to be considered here.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 09:48 AM
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21. The money does not go to Muslim or Buddhist groups. Most of that money
goes to right wing groups like ones headed by Falwell, and Robertson.

If the money did go to small community hospitals like you mentioned, it wouldn't be too bad. As it is, bush is using the faith based initiative to reward his investors.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 07:24 AM
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25. Religious groups have gotten Federal funding before.
Catholic Charities, for one. But there were always regulations. No proselytization, no discrimination (in hiring or those served) & strict separation of social & religious services.

Bush wants all those pesky rules to go away. Here's PFAW's take on it: http://www.pfaw.org/pfaw/general/default.aspx?oid=9882
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 07:51 AM
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27. yes, there was oversight of the way and the means our money was
Edited on Mon Jun-07-04 07:53 AM by Marianne
spent--Catholic Charities has been outstanding in their compliance, and there was to be no discrimination until the Salvation Army debacle-In other words the law of the land needed to be adhered to, and the SA spent thousands on lobbying to be allowed to discriminate against homosexuals--where did they get that money?-. They, as you know, got away with discriminating against homosexuals in their hiring.

There will be NO oversight here in what Bush is doing--actually he is bribing churches and religions and they should be ashamed, much as they may need the thirty pieces of silver or gold or greenbacks.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 07:48 AM
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26. I would
hospitals run by the Catholic church already get about fifty percent of their revenue from government sources. They have strict rules re procedures being done that are against their religious beliefs

Women who have been raped, for instance, cannot expect to be given emergency birth control treatment in a Catholic hospital--many have been forced to travel as much as one hundred miles to get the health care they desperately need. They also do no perform tubal ligations or vasectomy and of course, abortion. In fact, doctors must sign an agreement if they wish to work in a Catholic hospital. They make a lot of money -- they are a huge corporation.

This may not be the case with your St. Anns, but it certainly has been in the news for the past ten years as the Catholic church started buying up hospitals and then imposing their religious beliefs upon patients and workers.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 09:51 PM
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12. holy crapola kick
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 10:14 PM
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13. Executive Order Link
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 10:22 PM
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14. c/s
"Whenever we remove a brick from the wall that was designed to separate religion and government, we increase the risk of religious strife and weaken the foundations of our democracy" ~Justice John Paul Stevens
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 12:22 AM
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16. When we get a Faith based Military..will the war end ?
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 08:33 AM
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18. Kick n/t
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 08:40 AM
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19. I can't wait for Faith Based Police; Faith Based EMS; Faith Based...
...Supremem Court; Faith Based CIA; Faith Based Prisons; Faith Based Military and Faith Based Civil Rights Enforcement.

Sadly I have little Faith that these will be administered in a very godly, or rational, fashion.
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liveoaktx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 06:50 AM
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23. kick /nt
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 07:56 AM
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28. I have the feeling that once this horse is out of the gate
Edited on Mon Jun-07-04 07:57 AM by Marianne
he will not be able to be put back in. Churches want welfare money and this will be embraced by progressives/Democrats as well, even if Kerry is elected--you know it and I know it

and there goes our Consitution. It is gone already, in effect. The ACLU is going to be very busy--I am sending a donation
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 08:06 AM
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30. Religions should be self-reliant
We shouldn't give them any government money. They would become dependent and that would be cruel and inhumane.
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