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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 12:04 AM
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Reagan`s Kent State Response"If there`s to be a bloodbath let it be now"
Edited on Sun Jun-06-04 12:24 AM by DEMVET-USMC
Lest anyone get teary eyed or respectful or whatever about Reagan`s death. Kent State is a famous incident where National Guardsman shot 4 unarmed students to death during an anti-war protest .When asked about Kent State at a Bakersfield California School board I would guess during his campaign for Governor of California Ronald Reagan said in response to a question about Kent State " If there`s to be a bloodbath let it be now."He was fully in favor of shouting anti-war protesters. I had mixed feelings about his death until I read about that quote. This information provided by"genius". My feeling now, who cares, good riddance. ...Oscar
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 12:13 AM
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1. I wasn't gonna read or post on any Reagan threads
but since you put it that way
My feeling now, who cares, good riddance. ...seems
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playahata1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 12:16 AM
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2. Reagan had had plenty of practice in dealing with the student
movement BEFORE Kent State. As Governor of California he was very vocal and active in his opposition to the Free Speech Movement at UC Berkeley and other campuses in the state (People's Park, etc.). Off-campus, he went after the Black Panthers and other radical groups.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 12:18 AM
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3. He was turned away by the Communist party...
I love that..best thing the communist party ever did... Now THAT'S credibility
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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 12:34 AM
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4. Could you please some context to: he was turned away by the Communist
Party. Was he trying to join or something like that ?
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 12:50 AM
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7. sorry, responded to the wrong post..
see my post below
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 12:35 AM
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5. One of my degrees is in Spanish
So I have a real interest in Hispanic/Latino issues. (this is somewhat relevant) I have a documentary on the immigration labor movement - Cesar Chavez, no grapes, etc. There's a scene in there with Reagan at some fundraiser in California when he was running for election or re-election where he talked all condescending about the grape harvesters for the news camera ('aw, the poor brown people want rights' was the message basically), and to top it off, he finished by eating some grapes with a shit-eating smirk on his face that W would die to be able to pull off. I didn't think I could dislike the man more until I saw that.

I'm not surprised he said that about Kent. The man was an evil piece of shit no matter how you slice it.

TlalocW
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 12:42 AM
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6. Here ya go
The Sunday Times (London) 26 September 1999

REAGAN TOO MUCH A 'FEATHER BRAIN' FOR COMMUNISTS

It is too late for the politburo to gloat, but Ronald Reagan,
slayer of the "evil empire," tried to join the Communist party as a
young man and was rejected for being too dim.

http://www.mail-archive.com/marxism@lists.panix.com/msg05629.html
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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 01:00 AM
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8. Thanks WillW, That was an interesting story. I had known that Reagan
had had something to do with the actors guild . Boy he sure did change over the years. He was the big Union Buster when he destroyed that: AIR TRAFFIC CONTROLLERS UNION. I don`t see how some people can become the exact opposite of what they were in there youth....Oscar
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 01:43 AM
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9. Projects SHAMROCK MINARET RESISTANCE MERRIMAC
Let's look back


While the NSA was busy snooping on US citizens through Projects SHAMROCK and MINARET, the CIA got into the domestic spying act by initiating Operation CHAOS. President Lyndon Johnson authorized the creation of the CIA's Domestic Operations Division (DOD), whose purpose was to "exercise centralized responsibility for direction, support, and coordination of clandestine operations activities within the United States...."

When Johnson ordered CIA Director John McCone to use the DOD to analyze the growing college student protests of the Administration's policy towards Vietnam, two new units were set up to target anti-war protestors and organizations: Project RESISTANCE, which worked with college administrators, campus security and local police to identify anti-war activists and political dissidents; and Project MERRIMAC, which monitored any demonstrations being conducted in the Washington D.C. area. The CIA then began monitoring student activists and infiltrating anti-war organizations by working with local police departments to pull off burglaries, illegal entries (black bag jobs), interrogations and electronic surveillance.

Morton Halperin, Jerry Berman, et. al., The Lawless State (Penguin: New York, 1976) p. 146..


After President Nixon came to office in 1969, all of these domestic surveillance activities were consolidated into Operation CHAOS. After the revelation of two former CIA agents' involvement in the Watergate break-in, the publication of an article about CHAOS in the New York Times
Seymour Hersh, "Huge CIA Operation Reported in U.S. Against Antiwar Forces," New York Times (December 22, 1974), p. 1.


and the growing concern about distancing itself from illegal domestic spying activities, the CIA shut down Operation CHAOS. But during the life of the project, the Church Committee and the Commission on CIA Activities Within the United States (the Rockefeller Commission) revealed that the CIA had compiled files on over 13,000 individuals, including 7,000 US citizens and 1,000 domestic organizations.

The Lawless State, p. 153; US Commission on CIA Activites within the United States, Report to the President (US Government Printing Office: Washington DC, 1975), p. 144n3.


Cruel Science The Long Shadow of CIA Torture Research


By ALFRED W. McCOY

From 1950 to 1962, the CIA led massive, secret research into coercion and consciousness that reached a billion dollars at peak. After experiments with hallucinogenic drugs, electric shocks, and sensory deprivation, this CIA research produced a new method of torture that was psychological, not physical--best described as "no touch torture."

The CIA's discovery of psychological torture was a counter-intuitive break-through--indeed, the first real revolution in this cruel science since the 17th century. In its modern application, the physical approach required interrogators to inflict pain, usually by crude beatings that often produced heightened resistance or unreliable information. Under the CIA's new psychological paradigm, however, interrogators used two essential methods, disorientation and self-inflicted pain, to make victims feel responsible for their own suffering.

In the CIA's first stage, interrogators employ simple, non-violent techniques to disorient the subject. To induce temporal confusion, interrogators use hooding or sleep deprivation. To intensify disorientation, interrogators often escalate to attacks on personal identity by sexual humiliation.

Once the subject is disoriented, interrogators move on to a second stage with simple, self-inflicted discomfort such as standing for hours with arms extended. In this phase, the idea is to make victims feel responsible for their own pain and thus induce them to alleviate it by capitulating to the interrogator's power.


more
http://www.counterpunch.org/mccoy05292004.html



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DEMVET-USMC Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 07:48 PM
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10. What a disappointment to learn of L. Johnson`s involvement/initiation ?
of domestic spying etc. your info was for me. I had thought he was better than that, I now I find out he was not. Always good to hear from you ...Oscar
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