Andrew Sullivan is linking DU's hate-filled anti-Reagan thread

[orthogonal]

Good work, true believers!

http://www.andrewsullivan.com/index.php">Andrew Sullivan's blog is pointing to this http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1726149&mesg_id=1726149&page="> mopaul-started anti-Reagan thread as proof of "how depraved the far left has become".

Hey, let's see how much more ammunition we can give to the Right, and how many more moderates -- some of whom, like me, think that Reagan had his good points (defeat of Communism, reining in big government, dealing with terrorists) and his bad points (Central America, Ed Meese, making deals with terrorists) -- we can drive out of the Kerry camp!

Woo-hoo! Let's be good little Lefties and implode our own candidates by our inability to compromise, so we can spend four more years weeping into out beers and asking "why!?" did Dubya get re-elected.

[ibegurpard]

1. And we should care why?

The sanctimoniousness can be left to the politicians.

[imax2268]

161. Here's some info

for Mr Sullivan...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1008312/posts
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So many liberals, so few bad planes & pilots.

12 posted on 10/26/2003 5:46:59 AM PST by G.Mason (Lessons of life need not be fatal)
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Public radio was giving the death anniversary big play.
With all the testimonials, tributes and BS about the life and times of Wellstone, one could, or can, assume that canonization is underway.

Leni
23 posted on 10/26/2003 6:18:27 AM PST by MinuteGal
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Has it been a year, already? It is time for the annual, "Thank God, Paul Wellstone Is Still Dead Festival." In fact, many of the infants conceived at the orgy, dope, and hate fest last year will certainly be there, if for no other reason than some of the beloved single moms might want to see if they can identify that fathers.
Hillie may not attend and may still be pouting. She had the same guy who did Willie Brown and the whole plane load of folks do Paul to take out anyone to the left of her without even thinking that Howard Dean would fill that space.

The First Anniversay Festival will be great! Lots of booze, dope and hookers, just the kind of stuff that dems love. Torricelli won't make it, but Lewinski will.


25 posted on 10/26/2003 7:08:17 AM PST by Tacis
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Let's all send him nice little reminders about how the Freepers celebrated Wellstones death...and how much of an ass he is for only focusing on the negative that was said...not the positive things that were said...

mailto:[e-mail]

[progressivebydesign]

191. I happen to give a fuck because I'd rather not see Bush win again..

.. I wonder about the maturity of this group sometimes. Uh.. duh.. why is it bad to write vile things about a recently departed U.S. president? uh.. lemme think about that. Some people on DU need to get out in the world occasionally, and see what it's like to be a human with human interactions.

I'm just guessing that when any of your republican relatives or friends die, you'll do the same for them at their funeral that you've all done here against Reagan. Blows me away that people can't see how destructive those immature threads were...

[drdigi420]

230. Lying is immature, telling the truth about Reagan isnt

[kentuck]

2. He could have found one with the opposite point of view if he wanted....

After some thought, I don't think it is that much of a negative...

[CatWoman]

3. link doesn't work

please post the correct one so that I can post a little message for Mr. Sullivan.

[comsymp]

29. GMTA- tried to link to post a note to Bareback, myself

Maybe he'll find this one since it has his name in the title.

HEY, DUMBASS! Raygun wanted you DEAD, get it?

Uncle Tom motherfuckers like you are sickening. Wallow in your own self-loathing all you want but don't try to drag me into it with you by continuing to enable the people who hate us.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

83. Hey Andrew! Still barebacking to share the disease?

[bicentennial_baby]

4. Who gives a crap?

Not I.


ps- defeated communism? As if!
dealt with terrorists? hello? Iran Contra?
oy freaking vey. :eyes:

[Name removed]

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[progressivebydesign]

192. Gosh.. any time we equate ourselves with Free Republic, I feel ill.

As IF that's some sort of defense for the garbage written here in the past 24 hours.

[NMDemDist2]

6. whois andrew sullivan and why should i care?

edit to add, DU nor mopaul speak for me

[Yavin4]

7. The People Who Read Right-Wing Websites Like Sullivan's

ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE FOR KERRY!!!

Why can't people express their true feelings? If there are DUers who hate Reagan, let them be. I'm sick and tired of hiding my true feelings because some right-winger or some moderate may get offended. Reagan did a lot of bad things in this country, a lot of them.

The difference between the right-wingers and us is that they don't care who they offend. They don't hold back nor moderate their opinions at all. If you think that I'm wrong, wait until you see the love from FreeRepublic when either Bill or Hillary die.

[Syrinx]

86. I read right-wing sites all the time, and I'm definitely voting for Kerry

Nothing wrong with keeping tabs on the other side.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

87. Hmmm

"What we need in the United States is not division;what we need in the United States is not hatred; what we need in the United States is not violence or lawlessness, but love and widsom , and compassion towards one another..."

-Robert Francis Kennedy


I was watching CNN and they said that Ted Kennedy was one of those who chatted with Nancy Reagan and expressed his condolences as she expressed her condolences when John Kennedy Jr.'s plane crashed...

I can't think of two more diametrically opposed politicians then Ted Kennedy and Ronald Reagan but he was able to put asides his differences...

Peace

Brian

[Blue_State_Elitist]

8. If you're looking to chat with moderates...

DU is the wrong place.

[wyldwolf]

21. naive

DU is full of moderates.

[Blue_State_Elitist]

31. haha

Who's the one being "naive" here? I recently saw a poll on this site that showed Karl Marx as nearly unanimously the greatest economic philosopher of all time.

DU represents the far left of the Democratic Party. Just look around.

[Name removed]

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[Ms. Clio]

47. What does the number of his/her posts have to do with anything?

I've been here since 2001 and don't even have 1000 yet.

[wyldwolf]

52. not much unless combined with a questionable statement and..

...a DU poll as "evidence." Then it becomes clear - at least IMO.

[Ms. Clio]

68. What about posting history?

And "what" becomes clear?

Just seems like a snap judgment to me--IMHO.

[wyldwolf]

81. hard to tell

He/she appeared to be a Clark supporter back in January so his apparent disdain of moderates (or belief that there aren't many here) is a bit confusing.

[wtmusic]

53. Here's what it has to do with

Many of the frequent posters are far lefties. Doesn't mean that's representative of the DU pop, as a whole.

[Ms. Clio]

59. But a lot of the frequent posters are NOT "far lefties"

At least, from my observations. Although some of the people I'm thinking about recently seem to have disappeared, or been tombstoned.

And some of us "far lefties" don't post very much at all. So it's hard to say who is actually representative, or not, IMHO.

[wyldwolf]

67. which brings me back to my original point

Anyone who would make the claim that DU is not the place to "chat with moderates" and uses a DU poll on Karl Marx as evidence to support that claim has not been paying close attention.

[Ms. Clio]

71. yeah, I realized that we were circling back there

The poll "evidence" is certainly bogus.

[Rationality]

123. Like Muddle? Kinda miss the guy already...((n/t))

[Ms. Clio]

126. I don't n/t

[Rationality]

134. he was fun bickering with ((n/t))

[Blue_Tires]

182. good riddance to him...n/t

[Zhade]

235. Wait - are you guys saying Muddle got tombstoned?

Could it be that the primo Zionist apologist for IDF war crimes can no longer spread his thinly-veiled conservative bullshit here?

If so, thank GOD. Never could stand that asshole.

[tkmorris]

239. Yeah, he's gone

Well, at least that screen-name is. He lived near me, I always wanted to meet him IRL someday. The written word just doesn't fully convey the thought sometimes. Ah well.

[greekspeak]

242. Muddle was my least favorite DUer...

Muddle was always trying to start something, or being contrary for the sake of being contrary. I had wondered why I had not been seething for a while. Muddle was much more than "...the primo Zionist apologist for IDF war crimes." He or she was a bitter person who would rather be a wet blanket than a ray of sunshine. Good riddance.

[Zhade]

247. What happened? Did he go one post too far or something?

IMHO, the guy didn't deserve to use an avatar of MLK.

[neverborn]

209. Ugh. I don't. ;/

[Cheswick2.0]

111. "far lefties"...... as opposed to the moronic moderates?

nice name calling, that should help in november.

[Forkboy]

120. you notice it's ok to piss on the "far lefties"?

but piss on an evil shit like Reagan and it's,"Oh NOOOOOO,have you no shame?"

fucking hypocritical asses.

[Rationality]

122. delete

[Forkboy]

124. great

you're a pal.

[Rationality]

136. delete

[wtmusic]

174. and *poof* there appeared a value judgement

from the label "far lefty"...:eyes:

[drdigi420]

232. let's not forget, can't espouse your non-belief in magic men in the sky

either.

Respecting beliefs is a one-way street here. We have to respect the beliefs of holy rollers but they don't have to respect our belief that their beliefs are bullshit.

[sangh0]

238. No one here believes in "magic men in the sky"

though some let their hatreds and bigotries claim that they exist.

Ironic, a religion-hater who believes in people who don't exist.

[Rationality]

121. delete

[Forkboy]

125. like feminism rationality?

[Rationality]

131. delete

[Forkboy]

135. Good,I hope you get the point

[Rationality]

137. delete

[Forkboy]

142. actually, those who have but one cause that they use as a divider

will bring the entire ship down. I think you understand what I'm talking about...

[Rationality]

147. delete

[Forkboy]

149. where was it nullified?

on a message board? Still bummed about the lack of "white male priveledge"?

[Rationality]

156. delete

[Forkboy]

163. hmm

If you have no fucking idea what I was talking about, don't engage in a...

Go ahead and finish the thought.You dont have to be shy and delete your own posts.

[Rationality]

202. I'm not going to bother answering you. ((n/t))

[Forkboy]

208. you just did

:crazy:

[Rationality]

210. Lah di dah! Dal mi lad! ((n/t))

[Forkboy]

213. lol

for someone who isn't bothering,you sure are bothering a lot :silly:

You know you want to respond....give in to temptation :D

[Rationality]

218. delete

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[Rationality]

220. delete

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[ibegurpard]

153. over the top, much?

:eyes:

[Rationality]

205. Over the top? What are you talking about?

I'm being pretty straightforward here...

[wtmusic]

172. name calling...?

what's that all about? Calling someone a "far lefty" if they're far to the left?

Are we a bit hypersensitive?

[wellstone dem]

170. I've been here since Wellstone died

and look at my pathetic post total.

[Ms. Clio]

184. Hi Moonkee!

I think you and I are on the same slow posting track! :hi:

[minkyboodle]

214. Its not the quantity but the quality

:hi:

[libhill]

215. don`t you mean -

since Wellstone was murdered?

[rppper]

203. same goes....old timer here w/less than 2k posts.....

....oh, and there are more than a few moderates here....count me in

[Blue_State_Elitist]

54. Dude

That's the best retort you can give? I read DU frequently, donate when I can, and post when I feel like it. Sorry I haven't dedicated my life to reaching the almighty 1000+ mark. And yes, I did refer to a DU poll to give you an idea of how people on DU think.

If you truly believe DU is a moderate forum, then really there's no hope for you. Good luck though.

[wyldwolf]

60. actually, no, so let's put evidence into action, shall we?

Let's see some supportive evidence that DU is not the place to "chat with moderates."

[minkyboodle]

216. kick

Take it from this "far lefty" there are plenty of moderates in the DU community who do not hesitate to weigh in with their opinions. It is a good thing, although minky can get frustrated at times in his less stellar moments :)

[RapidCreek]

222. It can't be...whose a moderate on DU?

Are you wyldwolf?

RC

[wyldwolf]

223. you know I am, RC

...and look at the post directly above yours (subject: "kick")

[RapidCreek]

231. What's a moderate?

RC

[Catt03]

72. Excuse me

I am a liberal and have been all of my 45 years.

"Karl Marx as nearly unanimously the greatest economic philosopher of all time."

Don't include me.

[Name removed]

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[wyldwolf]

166. when?

Been here since spring 2001 and never noticed that.

[Padraig18]

152. Can you provide a link to that poll, please?

I've searched, and can't find any such poll. Thank you.

[H2O Man]

139. wyldwolf: I have read this entire thread

twice. You are the most rational person on here. Thank you for being the voice of reason on this emotional issue. While you and I may not agree on everything, I have to say I am impressed with your being able to focus on what is real and important on this issue. Peace.

[wyldwolf]

167. why, thank you!

[Heyo]

185. There are maybe a few.. but I never see them...

It's perfectly okay to stand up for what you believe in.... but call something what it is... DU is really far left.. it just so happens the collection of beliefs gathered here make it such.. it's not moderate.

Heyo

[wyldwolf]

225. I would say that nearly half of the active posters are moderates

or slightly left of that. Though there is no scientific measure of what a moderate (or any political label) is, and I won't use DU polls as evidence like someone did, it certainly appears that "moderate" or an equivalent description, gets plenty of play whenever someone makes a poll trying to prove their points on the topic.

In fact, though they prove nothing, we can search for those polls as soon as DU puts advanced archive searching back on line if you'd like.

[FlashHarry]

98. DU veteran, here. Card-carrying moderate.

DU is a big tent. Get used to it. And I agree with the original poster. Hate begets hate. Let the man rest in peace for a couple of days before you bring out the knives.

[RoBear]

9. There you go again...

Reagan didn't defeat Communism. It fell of its own weight. Right wing has to give him SOMETHING beside the ketchup vegetable.

[Cleita]

10. You know what. This is good. Maybe those brain poisoned

Freepers need to know that not everyone thought of Reagan as a Great President and a Great Statesman, phrases that are being crammed down the American people by the "liberal" media ever since it was announced that St. Ronnie had passed on.

[billbuckhead]

11. We're scared of Andrew Sullivan and his fans?

What good's free speech if you can't use it out of fear of ANDREW SULLIVAN, a gay version of Uncle Tom.

[pollock]

12. Reining in big government?

Worst debtor ever.

[Arugula Latte]

144. Exactly. The poster fell for another Reagan myth.

Why is it that when someone dies we're supposed to pretend they WEREN'T evil and DIDN'T ruin lots of lives? I don't get it. The truth is the truth, whether someone is dead or alive.

[wyldwolf]

13. this is what the far lefties want

They have this plan of using any means at their disposal to burn down the democratic party so a new wacked out version can rise from the ashes with the likes of Nader running things.

If this doesn't apply to you, there is no need to comment.

We should care what the outside world thinks of us here. No, we don't represent the dem party but we are used with good effect by the far right fringe as examples of what dems are.

But hey! Just my opinion.

[Blue_State_Elitist]

45. DU is not and cannot be used against the democratic party...

It's simply not large enough. Ask anyone walking down the street if they have even ever heard of DU. DU is simply a forum for progressives to get news and chat about what's going on in this country. I've never seen any big name politician or news network use DU to support or trash the Democratic party.

[wyldwolf]

56. You're wrong

Anytime someone with millions of listeners or readers uses quotes from DU as representative of democrats, harm is done.

[spotbird]

79. But the people who are swayed by the anonymous words

of posters in an internet chat room with the name "underground" in its title are pretty simple anyway. We aren't talking about critical thinkers here, if someone uses extreme examples posted here to formulate opinions about Democrats everywhere then they were lost to us before they came.

Understand also that there is a cottage industry of our opponents who post outrageous things here for fun. These are people with too much time on their hands, but they are pretty effective at causing trouble.

[Carolina]

107. Harm is done every time wingnuts

and their media talking heads lie and distort anyway. No matter what we say, nice or nasty, they villify us.

I am sick of nice and I don't give a rat's ass what they think. Besides what the hell has being nice and rolling over gotten us? De-fucking-feat!

[ibegurpard]

58. you're right

The apologists try to discount DU's influence when it can be used to further the "wacky/fringe/far left agenda" and play up it's importance when it says things to "embarrass" them.

[wyldwolf]

73. I don't recall that ever..

Example?

The only thing that comes close to your statement is the that many have stated here the DU is not representative, as a whole, with mainstream democrats.

That is far removed from your statement.

[HFishbine]

55. Except

for all your self-monitored moderation, the right never points to posts by wyldwolf and says "Now here's an admirable democrat." And it never will happen.

Your paranoia about what the "lefties" want is unfounded. However, I'll stick to expressing a genuine opinion instead of trying to figure out how I can craft a message that will be acceptable to reich-wing hypocrites like Sullivan -- if that's okay with you.

[wyldwolf]

70. irrelevant

Of course the right would never use something good from DU. They would only use something negative.

[spotbird]

65. But since posts are anonymous

those who want to discredit us will make the most inflammatory posts. It is unavoidable.

There is a thread here, now, which contains a dialog about whether it is OK to call a Latino a greaser. Now, who would start or continue such a conversation? IMO not people who want to make us look good, or who are honestly progressive Democrats.

[Ms. Clio]

14. Aiyeeeeee!!!! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!!!

Thanks for the Chicken Little update.

The notion that the comments of a few dozen people on a message board are going to play a major role in this election is utterly ludicrous.

And I don't give a rabid rat's ass what Andrew Sullivan links to now or in the future.

Edit: It's spelled "R-E-A-G-A-N."

[NWHarkness]

15. Inability to compromise?

We have been compromising for years. We moved to the center and nominated moderates like Clinton and Gore, and got nothing back from our opponents but vile and vitriol.

I have not posted negatively about Reagan, out of respect to the office he held. But at some point, it is incumbent on us to speak the truth, whether it makes us popular or not.

[mopaul]

16. how mopaul blew it for us all and put bush in the white house

i can hear it now

[kentuck]

30. Damn you mopaul....we're going to find us a big oak tree....

and hang your liberal ass! :)

[Pathwalker]

244. Don't you mean his "virtual" ass?

n/t

[dogman]

32. Sure just so you can do 4 more years

of great graphics. LOL

[Ms. Clio]

34. I can hear Jon Stewart now...

"Damn you MoPaul!!!"

[Name removed]

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[Ms. Clio]

195. I think calling people "immature, vile, hateful subhumans"

Kinda negates your point.



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[Carl Brennan]

199. Thanks for being honest.

joke

[Ms. Clio]

204. thanks for being intelligent, insightful, and witty

not

[minkyboodle]

217. mopaul

we were sooo close till your anonymous internet thread ruined it all
:bounce:

[newsguyatl]

17. yeh, we aim to please andrew sullivan...

what are you smoking?

do you really think we give two fucks what he or anyone on the right thinks?

[Changenow]

18. Wow, it really would be horrible if Andrew Sullivan's readers

didn't like us!

Did Sullivan link to the hundreds of threads that were sympathetic? There will always be a thread or post that they will cling to, there is no avoiding it since they feed half of them. If they wanted to be fair they would show how the majority reacted since they don't we will have to imagine their reaction to Clinton's passing. Or look at the freepers reaction to Wellstone.

[AP]

19. So? Anybody can post here. Maybe Andy wrote a few of those posts.

[John_H]

171. No, his English Comp 102 prose is recognizable anywhere./t

[Malva Zebrina]

20. who is Andrew Sullivan and why do we need to let him control us?

He obviously wants to obscure the fact that Reagan did some very very bad things when he was the smiley actor president.


why should we care?

Do we not have anyone in a similar position as this Sullivan person who will come back with a rebuttal to his venomous and dirty slime attacks?

Nevermind Mopaul--we will NOT be controlled by persons such as this Sullivan slimeball person by tempering our posts to please him. We will NOT be contained by persons such as Sullivan!

Too goddam bad ortogonal

No way

and anyone who does buckle under to this Sullivan is a wimp and a coward.

Who the hell is Sullivan anyhow? Is he your father or something?

[neuvocat]

22. This is stupid.

He's getting exactly the kind of sendoff he deserves. I'm quite content with letting Sullivan do just what he's doing now-not all his readers are going off on the lunatic fringe. They'll see that same thread you're linking to and agree with him.

We're not exactly giving ammo to people who make jokes about those getting run over by bulldozers. We're not helping anyone who openly call for the death or torture of other human beings.

The left doesn't resort to calling people by racist names or demeaning them, and I'm pretty sure that Sullivan isn't exactly getting a lot of support from the GOP on gay issues.

[qwertyMike]

BUSH 39%

enough said

[NWHarkness]

Meanwhile...

While we are wringing our hands over how nice we should be to reagan, the right wingers are attacking Jimmy Carter because they don't think he issued a statement of condolence quickly enough.

Yeah, right, let's compromise with them.

[robbedvoter]

23. Oh, nooo! Sullivan thinks I am depraved? All is lost! Tearing my hair off

I shall run into the woods and hide in shame...
We are talking of the people who viciously mocked Wellstone's memorial, right? Oh! Woe is me! :eyes:

[thebigidea]

24. Good lawd! Ahm just so shocked, and slightly awed - I got the vapors!

Whatever shall we do? Oh no! Oh NOOOOOOoooooooooOOooooOooo! A very confused man with demented political views doesn't like us... OH NO!

[Skittles]

25. GOOD

they need to know not everyone was fooled by that digusting, phony asshole.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

26. These are the same people that bash Democrats all the time!

DAMN THAT REAGAN!

:puke:

[jakefrep]

180. And another thing...

...these are the same people that bashed us for allegedly turning Paul Wellstone's death into a political event. It will be interesting to see to what extent Reagan's funeral is turned into a GOP lovefest/sideshow/circus.

[Duncan Grant]

27. Fuck Andrew Sullivan.

A gay man who supports the GOP - a party that chooses to create a constitutional amendment which discriminates against gay and lesbian people?!

Oh, please Mary. I couldn't care less.

edit: constitutional

[Duncan Grant]

51. *********LINK IS HERE*********

http://www.andrewsullivan.com/

2nd item on page

But really, who the fuck cares?

[terrya]

64. It's kind of laughable reading of Andy's torment over Bush and the FMA.

Andy is just so darned anguished now over the fact that his hero Bush supports the FMA. Almost like a spurned lover. I mean, what the fuck did Mr. Bareback actually think? That Georgie boy would turn his back on the religious bigots who oppose gay marriage??

Ditto his anguish over the Catholic Church and their homophobia, Andy is being a real crybaby about it.

[Duncan Grant]

108. It's pitiful to watch.

Thank God I don't have to live inside that man's head. :hi:

[terrya]

109. Oh, I thank God I don't have to live in his head. :-)

:hi:

Terry

[Lars39]

28. Who the hell is Andrew Sullivan???

Compromise. Must compromise. That's rw talking points.

[pollock]

36. Sullivan is a right wing hate monger.

[Union Thug]

35. GOOD.. .and link to this...

The world is better place without that son of a bitch. Good riddance Reagan

[barbaraann]

37. Depraved? The Butt-Pyramid Torture Party thinks WE are depraved?

HAHAHAHAHA

Ted Bundy was a Republican. How dare they call us depraved?

Ronald Reagan was the GODFATHER OF CENTRAL AMERICAN DEATH SQUADS. Bastards.

I could go on but I'm too upset. Probably someone has written a book anyway.

[JVS]

179. "The Butt-Pyramid Torture Party "

classic!

[charlie]

38. Eh

Sullivan's a flighty and shamelessly partisan crank. This worries you?

[Vickers]

39. Hey, I've got an idea...

FUCK ANDREW SULLIVAN.

Hope this helps.

[Forkboy]

40. Hi Andy

:puke:

[dogman]

41. Who goes to his site?

People who think like him? Most of us have found one good thing about Raygun, he's gone.

[ibegurpard]

42. fellow barebackers.

eom

[Snellius]

43. Andrew loves Reagan only to the extent he thinks his enemies hate him

I don't think Sullivan has any real idea who Reagan really was. Or that he cares. He was in high school in England when Reagan was doing his POTUS act. If he had been born any earlier, he would, no doubt -- thanks to Reagan's negligence -- be dead himself. If what was said here was so sacrilegious, why does he bother to repeat it on his site?

[HFishbine]

44. Given the choice between Mopaul and Sullivan

I'll side with Mopaul. Sullivan is a walking condradiction (to be polite). I may not have the same feelings for Reagan as Mopaul, but I can relate. I'll be lifting a glass and saying good ridance when George W. bites it. The world will be better off and his end can't come soon enough.

[union_maid]

46. Forget about it.

I've been amazed by the behavior of a lot of people on DU since Reagan died and extremely disappointed. They have no grace, no understanding of what constitutes a battle and what doesn't and no better idea of how to conduct themselves in public (and this is public) than freepers. Just forget it. They are determined to be the poster persons for the Evil Democrats and there's nothing anyone can do to stop them.

[mopaul]

49. mo 'evil' paul. forget me, ignore me, but don't call be a bad person

[RapidCreek]

227. The battle never ends with one who is inherently evil

no matter what sort of happy plastic face they use to cover the rot that lies inside the head underneath. Those of you who give respect to the memory of the despicable...lend respectability to their despicable acts.

Reagan was a happily, evil, hateful, insensitive, treasonous, lying, murderous thug. Now he's a dead evil, hateful, insensitive, treasonous, lying, murderous, thug. I'll give him the same respect in death that I gave him in life...for even after he no longer breaths the air he helped pollute, drinks the water he helped make foul, walks the streets littered with the wrecked lives of the homeless and aids victims he created or thinks of the 2 to 3 hundred thousand Central Americans he helped murder....I am and I do...and I will be for decades to come.

Hatred is not universal...it is tempered by the reasons one feels it and defined by the actions it inspires.

The hate a man feels for an individual who murdered his family is not the same sort of hate a man feels for an individual with black skin.

The hate a man feels for an individual who asserts AIDS is bestowed upon the ungodly, is not the same as the hate a man feels for an individual because of his or her sexual preference.

The hate a man feels for an individual who threw him out of a mental institution and onto the street, is not the same as the hate a man feels for the person who suffers mental illness.

The hate a woman feels for the man who raped her, is not the same as the hate a man feels for the woman he raped.

The right kind of hate is a healthy thing. Hatred of injustice, hatred of inequality and hatred of the sort of individual who advocates or tacitly accepts either is all that will narrow the scope of their effects.


RC

[wtmusic]

48. Please fix link

thanks!

[LTR]

50. Using message boards as source material is laziness

I mean, come on! That's not news reporting. That's bullshit. It's lazy and irresponsible. It's unethical.

But NewsHax and WorldNet are known for that kind of thing, so I'm not surprised.

[maggrwaggr]

57. Fuck Andrew Sullivan and let him link here all he wants

maybe someone will get an education

[rumguy]

61. AS has the hivvies from gettin' barebacked willingly

Now he's learned his lesson and he just gets metaphorically barebacked by the right-wing...

and he still loves it...

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

62. The gay Uncle Tom? Say it aint so!

Sullivan is pretty pathetic. I used to think he was interesting, but he just cant get off that wierd S&M relationship he has with the right.

[terrya]

69. I respect David Brock about 1,000,000 times more than Mr. Bareback.

Doesn't Andy realize that the right wing hate him because he's gay?

At least David Brock realized that.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

76. Bruce Bawer, too, and that Buckley protoge, too...

..I forgot his name.

Anyway, they all had enough personal integrity to break ranks with the homophobes, which is more than I can say for Sully, who continues to be the gay quisling.

[terrya]

84. Any gay or lesbian with a 2 digit IQ should see how hateful this WH is.

The Bush adminstraion is our enemy. Bush has officially declared war on us. And I'm tired of apologists like Sully and Norah Vincent and Steve Gunderson and the Log Cabin people who are just so PERPLEXED that their boy Bush has "turned on them". I have NEVER heard Bush even utter the words "gay or lesbian". That fucking alone should tell you something. When you are relentlessly homophobic in your policies and you can't even acknowledge our existance by name...that is condescension and indifference, mixed with hate.

I'm getting off my high horse here.

[Cat Atomic]

63. Oh no. Now Andrew Sullivan's fans will dislike liberals.

They already hate us.

Do you think we should censor our speech to avoid offending dipshit American fascists like Andrew Sullivan and his readers?

Who fucking cares what Sullivan writes.

[Minstrel Boy]

66. Do you see Republicans shushing Rush and Savage,

getting apopleptic at their constant stream of baseless bile?

Wake up, already. This is where moderation has brought you. How do you like it?

[Cat Atomic]

Exactly.

Many of us need to wake up and get with the fucking program. The time for coddling these people is long passed.

As for the "that's what they do, not what we do" bullshit, it's bullshit. If we keep enabling these fucking pigs with "compromise" and "calm discourse", they'll keep moving the center further to the right, and you'll wake up one day in a fucking camp.

[HFishbine]

75. Amen!

People wonder why the true left of the democratic party seems a little agitated? The answer can be found by looking at the consequences of "moderation" (that's not even the word I would use anymore.)

[bicentennial_baby]

78. Thank you!

You got it! :thumbsup:

[rbnyc]

245. From Marat/Sade:

"When will you learn to see / When will you learn to take sides"

[lastknowngood]

74. Fuck Raygun's "good points" your revisionist history don't play

well here. And we don't give a damn what the Reichwing nut jobs think of us. A good lefties I would guess from your post would be a wimp who allows the Nazis to say anything about us and doesn't respond in kind. To Hell with them all. This is a cultural war they started and they have no civility or morals, we are fighting for our country they have stolen.

[mopaul]

77. orthogonal, talk to me baby....or do you have the 'ignore mo' on?

[orthogonal]

89. I'm ignoring no one

No, I don't have anyone on ignore; and I had no indication you felt I was ignoring you.

[Name removed]

96. Deleted message

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[orthogonal]

115. There's little to respond to

So don't you have any replies to all the responses that your thread generated?

Sanctimonious preaching is more your style?

Especially since you edited your original post to correct the spelling of Saint Ronnie's name--LOL.

There seems little point in responding. Most of the responses are ad hominem or self-justifying ("they do it, we should too"); most seem like people blowing off steam more than responding to my thoughts.

Yes, I'm a bad speller, but no, as another response implied, I'm not a "bare backer" -- or even gay.

I'm just a liberal who doesn't see any point in maligning the dead.

And, frankly, I'd trade Dubya's Presidency for Reagan's in a second.

[robbedvoter]

158. I wouldn't trade s* for crap. Noone death makes me stupid. You are

entitled to your own feelings, but when you chastize the entire DU community in the name of Sullivans "ethics" expect some :wtf: s

[Name removed]

183. Deleted message

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[kentuck]

80. Except for Agent Mike...

I don't think we should be too concerned about how the right-wing will take our posts. If we have to be controversial, irreverent, sacrilegious, or whatever to get out the word on these bastards, then so be it. I say that as someone that has not not been disrespectful to Mr Reagan...in my opinion. :)

[Disturbed]

82. The Right Wing

They piss on Dems and swear it's just trickle down rain.
I don't give a flyin' monkey fart what Right Wingnutz think about
the Left Wing. btw I am a Green who feels that Amerika has been a Plutocracy since at least the late 50's. A Repuplican was correct about one thing: The Military Industrial Complex.

[deacon]

85. Well, here, he can pass this along too. Reagan was a rotten president...

who left for us in his will massive debt. He was an economic baffoon.

[Nlighten1]

88. Fuck you Sully :)

Been bare-backing lately?

[Name removed]

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[ibegurpard]

102. A little education:

Andrew Sullivan was placing ads for barebacking partners LONG AFTER he had caught HIV. Putting others at risk is disgustingly, immorally self-centered, even when it is people who have so little self-esteem that they would put themselves at that kind of risk willingly.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

104. No he's actually referencing Andrew, the righteous right mouthpiece's

foray into an internet relationship looking for gay men to bareback (sans condom) with fully knowing that he is HIV positive. He is not making fun of an HIV victim, he is acknowledging that a moral mouthpiece of the right was caught LITERALLY with his pants down..looking to share a devastating disease.

[Nlighten1]

140. Sully...

Openly advocates bare-backing while HIV positive. And your point?

[bowens43]

91. Reagan was a criminal of the worst sort.

There is nothing that can be said about him that is as vile as his presidency was. Up until the current occupant of the oval office he was easily most corrupt man ever to hold the office. He is responsible tens of thousands of deaths. He was scum. Her had no good points. He didn't defeat communism, he didn't rein in big government and he CREATED terrorists. Reagan is responsible for the rise of militant Islam in Afghanistan.

Compromise got us Bush, Iraq , the Patriot act and the decimation of the Clean Air and Clean Water acts. Fuck compromise.

Moderates got us into the mess we are in now. Moderates put bush i8n the oval offcie.

[LTR]

92. Here ya go - All you needed to know about Mr. Sullivan

http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/entertainers/pundits/andrew-sullivan/

Conservative gay columnist and moralizer, despite his claims to the contrary.
Barebacker (has sex with HIV+ men without using condoms)

(more)

[Rationality]

93. Mopaul is a good entrepenur

I found his thread to be atrocious, but it's all about the free advertising...

[mopaul]

101. quite wrong

i agree, my thread was atrocious, but entrepnur...? of what?
i have no business to run, i'm a musician.

i'm advertising nothing. just to be clear. nothing to advertise.

[Rationality]

114. I meant you, perhaps inadvertently, designed a great marketing tool

for this site. Get all the right-wingers enraged, get everyone to link us. Even in my small local board in Jacksonville, they know you now.

Don't take this as a compliment though; I totally disapprove of what you did.

[seabeyond]

94. reagan grew the government, myth he reigned in, grin

but i agree with the jest of what you right. also a point, as kentuck says, he could have as easily found an opposite thread if he chose. that isnt representative of the whole

[buff2]

97. Well personally,I don't give a rat's ass about

what the ratwingnuts think. They can put a muzzle on you,but I refuse to let them do it to me. Last I heard,this is supposed to be a free country and I will say what I want and those asswipes can go back to hell where they came from! Andrew Sullivan and others like him are not the sharpest knives in the drawer when they support the party that hates their "wicked" lifestyle and are working as hard as they can to prevent them from marrying who they want. I swear,the stupidity in this country is astounding.

[mitchum]

99. Maybe Andy can suck Ronnie's cock when HE makes it to hell

Is that hate-filled enough, you limey catamite?

[LTR]

105. self-delete

Nahhh, too cruel

[buddhamama]

100. his good points you have listed

big government was not reigned in during Reagan's two terms. IT's a myth.

The government did not shrink in size, it grew slightly to be specific.

[NoPasaran]

103. Anyone who reads Sully

Is no stranger to depravity.
:puke:

[Carolina]

106. Mr. Bare-backer wants to talk about depravity

Fuck that asshole.

[Cheswick2.0]

110. defeat Communism, reining in big gov, dealing with terrorists...nope nope

and nope.

Gore actually did shrink the size of the government. Communism died of rot and Ronnie increased terrorism by dealing with them.

[Name removed]

112. Deleted message

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[troublemaker]

113. Sullivan is a fool's fool

He and Hitchens deserve each other. Both of their intellectual paths through life are a never-ending story of how they have never been wrong about anything for a moment no matter how many revisions they've made along the way.

On Tuesday I thought X, as did all right-thinking people. On Wednesday I, along with all right-thinking people, thought just the opposite.

It would be a lot cuter if he didn't constantly condemn people for views he himself held yesterday!

Worst of all, the destruction of America by GW was just fine with Sullivan until his pet issue (gay marriage) got involved. Fuck you, buddy! It was all a-okay with him if we ended up in concentration camps until Sullivan got his own invitation to Dachau.

BTW, why is "Dachau" even *in* spellchek? That's a sad comment on our world.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

116. Two Points....

1) I won't piss on anybody's grave...

2) I doubt folks are going to vote against Kerry cuz some folks here are celebrating Reagan's death... That sounds like stinken thinken...

[Terran]

117. Pardon my French, but F*CK THAT!

DU is not "The Left." If Sullivan wants to pass off the freely expressed opinions of a few people as symptomatic of a group of millions, then so be it, the foolishness of that is on him. I haven't publicly lambasted Reagan because I do think it's a little tacky, but Sullivan is merely propagandizing the free speech of others.

[bread_and_roses]

118. So I should be complicit with lies

because the bought and sold press and mealy-mouthed "moderates" might take offense at the truth? I don't think so.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

119. So, let me guess...

...you're the poster that gave Sullivan the head's up as to where to find this thread?

Guess what? I don't personally give a damn what you or Sullivan thinks.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

128. Andrew Sullivan, Rush Limbaugh, Some Clown From Newsmax

and other denizens of the right have this discussed this site before...


That being said some of the comments on this board are puerile...

[orthogonal]

132. Bad guess

...you're the poster that gave Sullivan the head's up as to where to find this thread?

No, afraid not. I periodically check Sullivan's blog to see when he'll realize that Dubya and the Republicans are selling his ass down the river with their Sanctity of Marriage Amendment.


Guess what? I don't personally give a damn what you or Sullivan thinks.
And I admire your independence of thought.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

127. I've thought about this a lot

and while it's true that both sides have no dearth of hate, at least the left owns up to theirs and doesn't try to whitewash it like the right does.

AND if you want to talk just sheer volume of hate, they got us beat hands down. No contest. Their hate is frigging mainstream it is so prolific.

So I'm not too worried about it. They'll get back to being busy with their own hate shortly.

Besides that, you know what pisses me off? If some huge Dem elder statesman were to pass away, do you think for a SECOND their hate wouldn't be splattered all over the place? Do you think they'd be cowed into shutting their mouths and being all polite? Nah.

Besides, we are one forum on the internet, it's not as if all the Dems in the country are rising up in some "Hated the Guy Anyway" outrage or something.

[warrior1]

130. andy's pictures

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&newwindow=1&safe=off&q=Andrew+Sullivan&btnG=Search

[fishnfla]

129. I'll be happier when that cocksucker dies

fuck you sullivan

[kentuck]

133. I guess it does prove one of their lies.....

That Reagan was beloved by all of America...?

[TNMOM]

138. I don't give a flying rip what Sullivan does/thinks.

[elperromagico]

141. Typical "fair and balanced" treatment from Mr. Sullivan.

Here are just three examples of DUers decrying the "grave-dancing." They were easy to find; Sullivan could have found them himself had he wanted to. But of course, that didn't fit his bias, now did it?

Ronald Reagan was a Human Being started by Mattforclark:

So revel not in Ronald Reagan's death. Revel only in the release from agony that his death is, as is the death of anyone who has suffered from Alzheimers or a host of other similar diseases. And pity his survivors for their grief.

How sad that we feel the need to cheer the death of a President. started by DarkPhenyx:

How unfortunate that we have decided to, yet again, be no better than those we stand against. We couldn't even let it go one day w/o high fiving each other and laughing about it all. How truly, horribly, sad.

A poll, created by DemocratSinceBirth: Are You Proud Of Your Fellow DUERS Who Are Pissing On Reagan's Grave?

416 votes, and "No" is winning by a margin that would make Reagan himself proud - 62% to 38%.

[maxanne]

143. better still

let's suck up to the right and tell them everything they want to hear?

When the Democrats divorce themselves from right wing heinie kissing, we might actually win some elections.

I am so weary of right wing sycophants pretending to be Democrats.

[MoonRiver]

145. You link won't work. Try again.

[RetroLounge]

146. Who goves a fuck about Andrew Sullivan?

If / When he dies of the disease that Reagan refused to help erradicate, and then misses the irony of his Repug-loving ways, I'll piss on his right-wing, bare-backin', log-cabin, uncle-tom grave too.

You got a problem with that, you Reagan Apologists?

Tough shit...

RL

[ibegurpard]

148. I have BIG problem with this post!

You need to fix the spelling in your subject line. That is all.

:hi:

[RetroLounge]

187. Oops. Sorry, too late to edit it...

RL

[gulliver]

150. It's OK. Some of the replies were sane. And most importantly...

...it might lead some thinking conservatives to check out DU. We have far less vileness than freeperville. In every group of people you are going to have a fringe on both ends of the normal curve. Mopaul's sentiments were out of line, IMO, despite the suffering that Reagan caused by allowing himself to be used by a**holes.

[Walt Starr]

151. FUCK ANDREW SULLIVAN!

I don't give a fuck what some right wing asshole thinks. They declared WAR on ME, so now they've got a FUCKING WAR!

[MarkTwain]

177. And Fuck Him Twice, For Me...

... Hey Andrew, you vile barebacking hypocrite.

At least we call Reagan like we see him and know him to be. You will not find the typical sheeples here upon which you, your ilk, and your GOP need to survive.

Reagan's "Revolution" was the genesis for that which lent credibility to the hundreds of wingnut pukes like yourself in the media, the thousands of fundies now infecting the body politic, and the result which was installed in the White House some three years ago.

Tell us Andy, can you in the depths of that black hole you call a soul, even begin to answer with an honest yes to the question: is this country better off than it was four years ago?

Copy these posts all you want and forward them to the Devil who I'm sure is entertaining "The Great Communicator" is his new home tonight.

[LTR]

154. Well, if ol' Andy wants tasteless...

...why dissappoint him?

[Raster]

155. GIVE ME A BREAK....

who cares what andrew sullivan thinks... repug freak show gay boy...
no relevance. period.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

157. I nominate "Give me a break" as the best point in this thread

who the hell cares what he thinks anyway?

[robbedvoter]

159. I nominate # 37 - the "Butt-pyramid torture party". Packs more.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

162. OOO yes I like that one too!

I hadn't seen it, but it's goooood!

[wtmusic]

176. #37 for Most Visual Subject Line

and a great name for a band

[spanone]

160. Andrew, don't get your panties in a wad. Reagan was an actor.

[LTR]

164. SEE THIS POST AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS THREAD!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1734344&mesg_id=1735390&page=

HA!

[OneTwentyoNine]

165. As a Gay man Andy REALLY thinks Ronnie would give a crap about him??

SBJ your a total idiot Andy!! Your the gay threat that Reagan hoped AIDS would wipe from the fucking planet.

Your worried about people on DU condemming Reagan?? Get a clue...

David

[Djinn]

168. So by that logic

no-one will vote for the Republicans at the next election because Republicans like that vile Ann Coulter make references to WISHING that terrorists blew up the New York Times building?

Not one single person's vote will be changed by this - the people who listen to right wing squawkers like this guy(I've never heard of this guy btw is he well known in US?)and Rush/Hannity et al will not vote for Kerry anyway, so why try an appease them?

Reagan was a piece of shit - why the right wing see him as some kind of a saviour just demonstrates their ignorance - he did NOT reduce "big government" he did NOT end the cold war. He did arm and finance Islamic terrorists (that one's coming back to bite us all the bum a wee bit) and trained death squads in SOuth America.

I've worked with victims of torture, many from Guatemala and El Salvador - I'm not going to feel any compassion for the scumbag that authorised that torture, or for the fact that he got forgetful with Alzheimers in his later years - his victims they don't have that luxury, they live with the memories every single day.

I hope you never say anything bad about Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot or Hitler, orthogonal, after all they're dead too.

[Pithlet]

169. Honestly

I think you're making way too much out of this. Sullivan is one of the biggest hypocrits out there. I'm not too worried about what he thinks of DU.

[Jose Diablo]

173. This post is especially for Mr. Sullivan

Hey, how come we don't have a smiley with the middle finger pointed up?

[rolodomo]

175. Interesting point.

and without resorting to moralism (e.g., Reagan did this, therefore he deserved that)! Thanks for taking the time to explore another angle.

[JVS]

178. Your links don't work

[JVS]

181. Dancing/pissing on Reagan's grave is like a frat prank!

In the same way that the war crimes in Iraq are hazing!

[troublemaker]

186. Mr. Sullivan,

Having read hundreds and hundreds of Reagan postings on Democratic Underground this weekend I've been somewhat surprised by proliferation of humble human decency towards Reagan expressed by people who really despised the man in life (and will continue to destest his legacy), yet were saddened by his death and felt bad for his family.

But you really honed in on the dog-bites-man aspect, didn't you? Surely it isn't news to you that the internet is a free-fire zone for hateful whackos. Can you really pretend to see a disproportinate level of hatred and incivility on the internet left?

Do you seriously think the reaction to Clinton's death would be somehow more decent among the far right? Perhaps you do. If so you're a poor observer of the world you inhabit.

respectfuly,

[mmonk]

188. some I guess don't agree with Reagan policies

Some are tired of his deification. While I saw some good points to Reagan, I saw bad too. Tax cuts, deficits, while sending tax payer dollars to the military industrial complex and "privitization" (defunding programs for the less fortunate) are what the Repubs get out of their view of Reagan. It's the center piece of their cult.

[Rex]

189. Hey at least we tell the TRUTH, unlike Rush Slime ball and crew.

Reagan was an evil bastard, period. I believe that anyone who buys into this, "we are hurting the cause by dissing Raygun" wasn't around when he was in office. Fuck Repukes and their ilk, they piss on liberties and would love to see Democrats swinging from trees.

[EdGy]

190. Reagan DID NOT "defeat communism"

that is an absolute myth. what was happening in the Soviet Union was going on regardless of Reagan, it was the result of long term trends within that country.

In fact, Reagan's belligerency actually slowed the change in the Soviet Union. But for Reagan's bellicose language and policies, Gorbachev would have come to power several years earlier, according to a number of inside sources.

The result: the war in Afghanistan would have wound down much earlier, and AL Qaeda and Taliban may not have gained the prominence that Reagan's policies ensured they did.

Please do not accept at face value the BS being put out by the right.

[GAspnes]

194. did you ever notice

how the agitators don't have profiles posted?

Reagan was a reasonably smart firm believer in his goals. He wasn't God, and his administration screwed a few things Big Time. But no, we shouldn't point that out. It Would Be Bad.

[DiverDave]

198. So, since I have no profile

I'm an agitator?

Raygun was a scumbag, he deserved to die.
and he is roasting in hell...if there is such a thing.

And fuck all you "give the guy a break, he's dead" asswipes.
He was an evil little man.
Good riddance.

[sadiesworld]

200. "...a reasonably smart firm believer in his goals."

WTF? I would assume that applies to * and a slew of uglies. Your point being?

[Q]

196. The mushy friggin middle better get used to it...

...because liberals are sick and tired of being scapegoated for the sake of 'bipartisan date rape'. We TRIED to spread the message of peace and love in the 60s and 70s...and all we got for our effort was to be villified and demonized by both the RWingers AND the 'new' Democrats. We watched as our party was sold to the highest bidder and our principles prostituted to corporations and their RWing masters.

- No more. No more! Fuck the Fanatical Right. Screw the moderates who would sell their mother for a seat at the table of power. We simply refuse to further compromise our values or stand by while the so-called 'centrists' enable Bush* to continue on his rampage.

- It's much too late for bipartisanship and 'working together' with the fascist right. They have no interest in working WITH us or sharing power. They want it all...and they don't give a shit who they have to ruin or kill in order to get it.

[sadiesworld]

197. Who gives a rat's ass?

I'm probably considered a "moderate" but I am baffled as to why we should try to stifle the "Reagan dancing/pissing" threads.

God knows, if threads that declare our soldiers war criminals and threads that laud Nader are ok, why in the hell should Reagan pissing threads be a problem?

Not a real big surprise that those who "advise" caution "...think Reagan had his good points". (Please, do some homework).

There are folks here at DU who were personally affected by Raygun's disastrous policies, I refuse to judge...

[SoCalDem]

201. No surprise.. he does it every time there is a thread here

that he can "use" against the dems.. We all have free speech, but the sword cuts both ways.. our words get "used" against us as well..

All's fair, though... we do the same :)

[K8-EEE]

206. Hey Just Like The Abu Graib, It's "Only Six Or Seven!"

The other 45,000 of us are just trying to avoid the TV and all the Ray-Gun luuuuv/hate propaganda....both sides of which is wack....

He was the third worst president in my lifetime (which includes Nixon and #1 worst, GWB.) Frankly I think ALL the RayGun drama "boo hoo a 93 year old extremely sick guy died!" and the he-can-go-to-hell therads too are so out there.

[Lou_C]

207. Who cares?

Right wing hate groups do allot more damage then we do.

I HATE REAGAN MR. SULLIVAN GOT THAT!

[whirlygigspin]

211. who's this Reagan fellow?

Sad that everyone mixes the personal with the political here.

History will be it's own judge on Ron as President, but leave Nancy alone. All these right wing freaks have been terrorizing poor Nancy for years with their wacked out agendas.

Ron was a well loved husband and charming man with some very bad policies and every scumbag crook lining up behind him waving a flag
trying to get him to deregulate and trickle down on something or other --And yes he made people feel good.

Feel good factor, good +
Jelly beans, good. +
deregulating S&L's, bad -
end of Fairness Doctrine, bad -
drugs for guns, bad -

life is not so simple, Reagan wasn't a saint or the anti christ,
We can only hope the right wing wacko's get off it and let him RIP.

[Piperay]

212. So how does this Sullivan ass

explain posts like mine (on that thread) that was actually sympathetic to the suffering that the Reagan's endured due to Ronnie's disease??? RWingers like that always ignore anything that doesn't fit with their agenda, which is...attempting to show that all Liberals are as full of hate as they themselves are.

[JCMach1]

224. Reagan should have been impeached for Iran/Contra

Who cares what the right thinks!!!

They are wrong...

[DaveSZ]

228. I'm going to be honest here

Reagan and BUsh are some of the most homophobic leaders we've ever had, so it's hard for me to understand how a gay man or lesbian woman can support these people.

[drdigi420]

229. Reagan did NOT defeat Communism or the USSR

Reagan EXTENDED the cold war to make more money for his handlers.

Lets stop pretending that Reagan was anything but an evil puppet of the Oil industry.

[DaveSZ]

233. Here's something for Andy

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x607372

:nopity:

[quaker bill]

234. I though it was the moderates that owned the Kerry Campaign

Why would they leave?

[mondo joe]

236. Andrew Sullivan is not Worthy to Suck Bill Clinton's Dick

Andrew Sullivan is a traitor to reason, to homosexuals and even to himself.

He's not worthy to suck Bill Clinton's dick. And he can link to that.

[mopaul]

240. #1 best post of the day award..............n/t

[Ganja Ninja]

241. Andrew probably tried and Bill turned him down.

So now he's out for revenge on democrats.

[JHB]

237. Who cares what he thinks?

You can find "ranting Internet loonies" (tm) on any subject under the sun. I don't see FreeRepublic being shut down for making the right look like extreme freaks.

[Pathwalker]

243. Dumbya was NOT elected - he was SELECTED!!!!

The vote was 5-4.


Please notice I said nothing about Reagan.

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246. I don't get it.

Why is it playing into their hands to express negative feelings about Reagan? Do you really think that's going to ruin Kerry's chances of winning?

We are damned if we do and damned if we don't with that lot. If we act all polite and civil, they're just going to twist our words anyway. I thought this board was for hanging out with Democrats whom are all concerned about Bush's presidential service and the upcoming election.

I did not expect to come here and find that I am to mealy-mouth Reagan now that he's dead just so some irrational freepers won't think ill of me. Give me a break.

I hope this Reagan worship dies down by next week, otherwise I think I'll just mark DU off my list.