Freeper on a Disney Related Board is attacking DU about Regan threads

[Gothmog]

Some Freepers are very active on a discussion board for disney related activities. There is a thread debating whether Reagan was a good president. See http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=1d744cb6d48a545bcc759f25521ac6cc&postid=5728328#post5728328 One of the Freepers on that board is attacking Democrats because of a thread on DU. This is the thread on DU that the freeper is complaining about. See http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1726149&mesg_id=1726149 The conservative posters are shocked that a large number of people actually do not believe that Reagan was a saint and these freepers are shocked that people believed that Regan committed some bad acts. I am sorry Regan's family but he was not a good president.

BTW, to the idiots on the Disney discussion thread, the Reagan administration formerly proposed a regulation classifying ketchup as a vegetable. That was not a trial balloon by David Stockman but a deliberate act by a mean spirited person who did not see anything wrong with shortchanging poor students for the sake of tax cuts for the wealthy. No one submits a proposed regulation with this being carefully studied and this was a deliberate and mean spirited act.

[Wonk]

1. Post one (or both) of these mp3s there for them

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x1742153

[madrchsod]

2. dam i was the number 4 thread

and the threads ended at over 200+..wow... fuck them, tell them to take it up with their nazi friends ,they think reagen sucks too

[ElectroPrincess]

13. Don't sweat the small Freeps

Don't sweat their venom. I love it when these radical right-wingers allow themselves to get in a lather and emotionally "spin out." Pissing them off is a beautiful thing ... watch um implode and act out in unhealthy ways. Damn, don't ya love it when a plan comes together? <eg>

Just Imagine:
"Earl, you stop lurking at DU, it just works you up and makes the DOC up your BP pills. Did you hear me Earl?!? Stop swearing at the computer screen dammit! (dials phone) Doc-TOR I can't get him to take his Zanax, help me ... he's obsessed with those evildoers at that liberal DU." <snicker>

[maggrwaggr]

3. I support any and all free advertising for DU

Let the Disniacs come here and get an education.

I welcome potential converts to the truth.

[Career Prole]

4. Hey Mouseketeers!

Supposing I were to accept your stipulation that the ketchup thing was no biggie?
Do you remember the moral indignation you all expressed over Clinton's impeachment acquittal? Here, let me refresh your memories.

Christian Coalition Executive Director Randy Tate expressed outrage over the acquittal suggesting the foundation of the country's legal system has been has been compromised. "Today's decision by the United States Senate to acquit President Clinton for the crimes of perjury and obstruction of justice makes a mockery of our nation's long history of equal justice under law, which is the bedrock of our justice system. With their verdict today, the Senate has set the President above all other Americans and left him unaccountable for his illegal actions. The implications of this decision will leave a permanent scar on our nation's history and the rule of law that will take many years to overcome."

Tate said the message the Senate vote will send to future generations will have a negative impact on society. "Children now have the lesson that lying, cheating and breaking the law are permissible on the pathway to success and every parent's teaching against these behaviors has been completely undermined and rendered utterly worthless."
http://www.conservativenews.org/InDepth/archive/199902/IND19990212m.html

Yeah..."What will the children think?". That was the plaintive wail from the wounded right.
Whenever we bring up Iran-Contra you huff, "Reagan didn't know!"
Bullshit. Not according to the independent counsel.

Overall Conclusions

The investigations and prosecutions have shown that high-ranking Administration officials violated laws and executive orders in the Iran/contra matter.
Independent Counsel concluded that:
-- the sales of arms to Iran contravened United States Government policy and may have violated the Arms Export Control Act1
1 Independent Counsel is aware that the Reagan Administration Justice Department took the position, after the November 1986 revelations, that the 1985 shipments of United States weapons to Iran did not violate the law. This post hoc position does not correspond with the contemporaneous advice given the President. As detailed within this report, Secretary of Defense Caspar W. Weinberger (a lawyer with an extensive record in private practice and the former general counsel of the Bechtel Corporation) advised President Reagan in 1985 that the shipments were illegal. Moreover, Weinberger's opinion was shared by attorneys within the Department of Defense and the White House counsel's office once they became aware of the 1985 shipments. Finally, when Attorney General Meese conducted his initial inquiry into the Iran arms sales, he expressed concern that the shipments may have been illegal.
-- the provision and coordination of support to the contras violated the Boland Amendment ban on aid to military activities in Nicaragua;
-- the policies behind both the Iran and contra operations were fully reviewed and developed at the highest levels of the Reagan Administration;
-- although there was little evidence of National Security Council level knowledge of most of the actual contra-support operations, there was no evidence that any NSC member dissented from the underlying policy -- keeping the contras alive despite congressional limitations on contra support;
-- the Iran operations were carried out with the knowledge of, among others, President Ronald Reagan, Vice President George Bush, Secretary of State George P. Shultz, Secretary of Defense Caspar W. Weinberger, Director of Central Intelligence William J. Casey, and national security advisers Robert C. McFarlane and John M. Poindexter; of these officials, only Weinberger and Shultz dissented from the policy decision, and Weinberger eventually acquiesced by ordering the Department of Defense to provide the necessary arms; and
-- large volumes of highly relevant, contemporaneously created documents were systematically and willfully withheld from investigators by several Reagan Administration officials.
-- following the revelation of these operations in October and November 1986, Reagan Administration officials deliberately deceived the Congress and the public about the level and extent of official knowledge of and support for these operations.
In addition, Independent Counsel concluded that the off-the-books nature of the Iran and contra operations gave line-level personnel the opportunity to commit money crimes.
http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/walsh/execsum.htm

He knew.
The right-wing didn't give a damn that our children would learn from the Reaganistas' Iran-Contra affair that it's permissible to steal weapons from the Pentagon, then literally fence them to terrorist states (in violation of U.N. sanctions) to assist yet other terrorists in overthrowing a democratically-elected government, also against the law.
Where was the self-righteous talk about "No one's above the law!" then?
I'm mad at Reagan, and I'll always be mad. Saddam had no demonstrable ties to Osama bin Laden, but Reagan sure gave Osama a leg-up, didn't he? As well as the fundamentalists in Iran, Saddam Hussein himself, and the drug-trafficking nun-killers in Nicaragua who Reagan referred to as "the moral equivalent of our Founding Fathers".
If you people want to enshrine Reagan in your pantheon, why you just go for it. Just don't expect us to bow down to that criminal.
Have a zippity-do-dah day! :hi:

[BeFree]

6. And the memories keep coming, thanks CProle

So, how come the great RR didn't put his foot down and just say NO?
Could it be that he was a friggin CROOK? That he was more than willing and able to subvert the LAW OF THE LAND?

I'm glad he's dead, because now all of this info on him is surfacing, and surfacing just in time to ruin *'s chances of carrying on the tradition.

God Damn the hypocrits!

[Career Prole]

8. Don't mention it...it's always fun to discuss "Raygun's Legacy"

with lurkers. :D

[gratuitous]

7. And don't forget, my freeper friends

That George the Smarter issued blanket pardons on December 24, 1992, when he was a lame duck to Cap Weinberger, Eliot Abrams, Robert McFarlane, effectively decapitating the Iran/contra trials two weeks before they were set to begin.

These pardons stopped a trial that would have shown first of all that Bush lied when he claimed to be "out of the loop" on Iran/contra, and that the knowledge and the cover-up went all the way to St. Ronnie, who used his acting ability to claim that he "couldn't remember" anything about his murderous, illegal wheeling and dealing.

Check it out here (Bush had the nerve to go so far as to call Weinberger a "true American patriot" -- our country can use a lot fewer "patriots" in the corrupt Weinberger mold):

http://www.fas.org/news/iran/1992/921224-260039.htm

[Career Prole]

9. Yes! Sing it loud!

Oh...and Disney Freepers?
Winnie the Pooh...tree hugger
Cruella Deville...repuglican

[Say_What]

10. Same day that he pardoned ex-Cuban terrorist Orlando Bosch Avila

<clips>

On February 16, 1988 convicted terrorist (Florida 1968 attack on freighter),
Orlando Bosch, illegally entered the United States, after having spent 11 years
in prison in Venezuela for the terrorist attack on a Cubana plane that resulted in
the loss of 73 lives. The accounts of how Bosch came to the United States
conflict, with one side blaming the Venezuelan government and the other side
blaming the U.S. ambassador to Venezuela, Otto Reich.

Not disputed is that in 1990 and 1992 President Bush, at the urging of his
son Jeb, paroled and then pardoned Bosch. The pardon won Jeb Bush support
of anti-Castro voters of Florida in his election as governor and George W. Bush
in his election of 2000. Since his pardon Bosch has been connected by some to
bombings of hotels in Cuba. Cuba wants to try Bosch for terrorist attacks.
The organization created by Bosch has claimed responsibility for bombings
in Venezuela, Panama, Mexico, Argentina, Spain and, of all places, New York.
Are victims of bombings in New York that are the work of Bosch less
entitled to justice than those victims of bin Laden's attacks? Why hunt
one terrorist in Afghanistan at great cost, while allowing another to live
in Florida?

In examining the big picture we note the G. W. Bush ties to Enron and his
willingness to use his father's presidency to pressure the government of Argentina
to give a lucrative contract to Enron, against the wishes of the government and
the people of Argentina. Further the record of law breaking and deceit of many
persons connected with Reich and others in the Iran arms for hostages and
Contra drug dealing of the Reagan years suggests that what they say ought to
be examined carefully. Further it ought to be of some concern that Bush, who
charged his opponent, Gore, with being untrustworthy, would be so interested
in appointing to high government posts a number of persons who have
escaped prosecution for lying under oath and violating law only because they
were recipients of presidential pardons.

http://www.hailmaryshelley.com/bosch-links.html

[Career Prole]

24. Beautiful!

I hope they're still reading this in "disneyland"!

Remember...if you take your politics as seriously as you take your talking flora and fauna, Disney Board's "Just For Fun" Forum is where the serious thinkers are!

[Cleita]

5. Don't worry about it.

Maybe they are picking on DU because we are a lightening rod, but we aren't the only ones picking on Reagan. I think it's good for them to know that their annointed gods aren't beloved by everyone.

[Must_B_Free]

11. We need more of these threads people.

we need more conservatives whining in public - it makes them look bad. I love it.

[wtmusic]

12. mopaul getting us ALL in trouble again

j/k we're lucky to have him ;-)

[BeFree]

14. Kick

The more I read, and remember, the more pissed I get. You guys are dishing out the best evidence so far. Keep it coming. Start new threads, do whatever it takes, people need to read the truth!

[BeFree]

17. Big ass donkey kick!

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[BeFree]

19. One last kick...N/T

[Bluzmann57]

15. Disney?!

The same Disney that refuses to distribute "Farenheit 911" because they are afraid of losing friggin' tax breaks? What a joke! Who cares what these people think? Freepers are getting more and more irrelevant by the day.

[Kahuna]

16. Snarf! How did I know the link would be to Mopaul's now infamous post?

That guy is becoming very famous.

[Bamboo]

18. What is Hannity's Favorite Yankee Candle Scent.

The DIS Forums have just closed the "debate" board where topics were lifted directly from FOX news.The loss of the debate board has caused the right wingers to move to the community board,their right wing topics now disappear into the stream of fluff instead of remaining on the front page of the debate board.I have learned some interesting things at the forums,a castmember started a "USA,USA" chant at a show and was fired.At Disney I see people shoplifting and smoking pot and teenagers groping each other on the way back to the resort hotels.Cultural conservatives wish for a world Reagan promised but did not deliver,it is like a trip to Disney where great things are promised but mostly you are separated from your money.
http://www.disboards.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=49

[Gore1FL]

20. They do have some merit to their bitching

I've seen some awful threads that were both embarrassing and down right hurtful.

Some of these had the attitude of "He's dead so lets start ripping him".

I've lost a LOT of respect for some posters I previously held in high regard.

The only excuse I came accross for the anti-compassion approach was the same used by apolgists for torture "They are worse than us." This is about as helpful to Democrats as the torture pictures were to our winning the hearts and minds of Iraque tle fiasco in Iraq.

I never liked the man as president. I carded not for his policies, neither his politics. To wait for someone to die to tear into him as his family grieves, is frankly, sick.

[TankLV]

25. Boo friggin hoo.

Get over it!

Repuke apologists make ME sick!

[Gore1FL]

26. Liberals acting like Freepers

Makes me sick. Who do you use for health care?

[Djinn]

28. Do you really think that Nancy et al

whilst burying their husband/father/sibling whatever, aer saying to each other, "you know hon, before the funeral lets just have a wee peek at what people at DU are saying about Ronnie?"

Pointing out the man's crimes has nothing to do with "being disrespectful" of his family - how on earth are they going to know???

Besides, Stalin was a loving and attentive father - still a monster and had I been around when he died I would have said it then too

[Neecy]

21. This seems to be their MO this week

I wonder if the freeptards didn't cook up a little plan to spread DU far and wide on diverse message boards this week - on a baseball site I frequent, quite a few posters Saturday night were critical of Reagan (and Bush*) which prompted this freeper outburst:

"There've been a lot of stupid comments on this thread so far. Obviously everyone's entitled to them. I'd suggest posting most of them at Democratic Underground instead of tapdancing here."

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/files/primer/discussion/20294/

[NewYorkerfromMass]

22. Well at least I found a nice graphic there...

The comments on there were generally sane and polite too. Quite a contrast to..... :)

[Gothmog]

23. Here is quote from Disney Freeper about DU

The Freepers on Disney are very stupid. Most of their posts have no thought or logic. A couple of the freepers there just quote Newsmax or use talking points from the freeper cite.

One of the freepers (an idiot named dmadman) really hates DU. Here is something that he posted on this thread about DU in response to a comment from another freeper idiot. See http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?s=147fe6f3d186e6d22980234c4a21a0ee&threadid=583411&perpage=15&pagenumber=8

Originally posted by N.Bailey
That's pathetic! I read a few, but I couldn't stomach any more than that. Sad that people really believe all that though huh? He won both elections by a landslide, so I know that is no representation of the general population.
That's true. I'm just wondering if that is representative of the staunch Democrats, or these folks are the lunatic fringe. I hope most Dems are much more "kindler and gentler"
____________

[Skittles]

27. I don't give a flying f*** what those deluded assholes think.

nt

[KayLaw]

29. Gothmog

I was one of the original posters on Pete's site, when he still lived up north and there were only a couple of posts per day. There are a lot of nice people there, but the freeper types are just awful. You should have seen how they reacted to Wellstone's funeral. I don't know if you can do a search that far back but I copied and posted a few posts that Media Whores online took from Lucianne's site.

You know, they had to close down the Debate board, and I think it was because the " conservatives " there are so nasty they are channeling Satan, not to mention one fool from CT who knows that Clinton had sex with Monica 12.6 times when he wasn't busy smuggling drugs and can work that into any conversation.

I used to think that 95% of the people there were nice until Pete opened that Debate board; it was like turning over a rock. Ugh!