New book links Atta, drugs, strippers, Jeb Bush, flight school.

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mostly stuff I'd heard, but the author is on Majority Report now, talking about other things I haven't come across

this is from the book promo site

Did nineteen Arab terrorists from desert kingdoms roam the Gulf Coast of Florida as easily as if they'd been listening to Tom Petty albums all their lives? Or were they being trained here in a still-secret covert intelligence operation that somehow went horribly wrong?

Dozens of Arab student pilots learned to fly at two flight schools at the tiny Venice Airport. Each school had just recently been purchased by two separate Dutch nationals. The two Dutch nationals have no connection to each other. Was this just coincidence?

Hopsicker unearths shocking new information about the most intriguing two characters in the Sept. 11th drama: terrorist ringleader Mohamed Atta, and Rudi Dekkers, the Dutch national whose Florida flight school became Atta’s Hamburg cadre’s American beachhead.

Recently Sen. Bob Graham of the Senate Intelligence Committee, "I was surprised at the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of at least some of the terrorists in the United States." Pressed for details by reporters, Graham said, "Most of that information is classified, I think overly-classified... It will become public at some point when it's turned over to the National Archives, but that's 20 or 30 years from now."

http://www.madcowpress.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TMM&Product_Code=WTT&Category_Code=B

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1. in 2001. HUNDREDS, maybe a thousand

arabs were in SW Florida, going to flight schools

Atta lived with a pinkhaired stripper, did lots of white stuff, all according to his strict Wahabism, right?

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2. from New York Press article

'Huffman Aviation, the Florida flight school that Atta and several of the other alleged hijackers attended, was owned by Rudi Dekkers, a Dutch national convicted of a massive fraud in his homeland. Dekkers was a fixture in the local papers for his consistent inability to pay Huffman's rent, yet in October 2001, writes Hopsicker, he was sufficiently flush to pay off a $50,000 judgment—his financial difficulties had lifted as if by magic.'

In July 2000, the same month that Atta and his associate Marwan Al-Shehhi began their lessons at Huffman, a Lear jet belonging to Dekkers' financial backer Wallace J. Hilliard, a retired insurance executive from the Midwest, was seized by the DEA with 43 pounds of heroin on board. Hilliard, who has a history of involvement with financially unsound flight schools, was also running a charter airline out of Orlando. The jet in question was part of this enterprise, making weekly runs to and from Caracas, Venezuela. Hopsicker goes into great and fascinating detail delineating the connections linking Dekkers, Hilliard, Atta, Clinton campaign financier Jackson Stephens and the Florida dope trade. Huffman Aviation sits at the tip of an iceberg so huge there's barely enough water to float it.

http://www.nypress.com/17/20/books/books2.cfm

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3. I know Huffman Aviation is old news, too, but anyone have anything

saved about them?

don't they have connections to Jeb?

and there were those plane/truckloads of documents taken from the school right afterward, with Jeb on board, right?

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4. starting to come back

A controversy over the sudden closing of a flight school in Orlando in early March reveals a hidden connection between the bankruptcy in Orlando and the secretive organization which ran Huffman Aviation in Venice, the unacknowledged home base of Mohamed Atta and his Hamburg cadre during almost their entire time in the U.S.

The investigation into the disappearance of millions of dollars which students had been forced to pre-pay in tuition has led to 70-year old Wallace J. Hilliard of Naples, FL, the shadowy financier whose purchase of Huffman in partnership with Dutch national Rudi Dekkers, currently awaiting trial on felony fraud, set in motion a chain of events culminating in two former students piloting Boeing 767's into the World Trade Center Towers.

When 21-year-old Tiffany Traynor moved from Michigan to Central Florida last year to pursue her childhood dream of becoming an airline pilot at the Airline Training Academy (ATA) in Orlando, the last thing she expected was to lose $75,000 and have her career placed on hold when the school closed without warning and its owners dropped out of sight.

But that’s what happened to her, and 300 other fledgling pilots whose career dreams were dashed by the loss of millions they had pre-paid the school in tuition for training they will never receive.


notice anybody familiar above?

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5. sigh.....too bad, y'all....this is starting to get interesting

from an article by Hopsicker, including reference to NYTimes story questioning what happened at Tora Bora:

40 years ago, in the 'bad old days' of secrecy in government, the Warren Commission at least had to tell the American public where Lee Harvey Oswald was living in the months before the Kennedy Assassination.

Now even that bit of noblesse oblige is a thing of the past.

Which is why we found ourselves retracing the steps of a man who was secretly bent-the whole time he was among us-on murdering as many of us as he could.

Did the desk clerk remember Atta staying here? She did.

Had the FBI visited the hotel? They had.

Did she recall which room Atta stayed in? Yes...

Did he order any movies from Spectravision?

What's the Islamic 'take' on soft porn?

"We don't want to be known as a terrorist destination resort."

Before the desk clerk could answer, the hotel's Assistant Manager of Operations (said his lapel badge) appeared from an office behind the front desk with a pointed request:

No more questioning hotel employees about the terrorist ringleader's stay, please.

We had heard this before. We're in a state of alert-we can't remember which color-called Cadre Information Lockdown. An idle thought: where do they find space to store all the news they hold back?
http://anderson.ath.cx:8000/911/hj04.html

the NYT story referenced above....gotta use cached version

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:ebUwsphKsgMJ:www.unansweredquestions.org/timeline/2002/nyt093002b.html+10-month+Afghan+Mystery:+Is+Bin+Laden+Dead+or+Alive%3F)+&hl=en&start=1&ie=UTF-8

stuff like this:

One important fact, though, seems to have been that some of the Afghan commanders at Tora Bora had links with Mr. bin Laden going back to the late 1980's, then found themselves drafted into the hunt for him after Sept. 11. One of these men, Hajji Zaman, who fled Afghanistan for sanctuary in France last spring, was accused by rival Afghan commanders of organizing a brief American bombing halt a few days into the attack to allow him to negotiate Qaeda leaders' surrender, only to use the standstill -- with the inducement of a hefty Qaeda bribe -- to help the fugitives escape.

Another commander, Hajji Zaher, said in an interview in Jalalabad that he had pleaded with Special Forces officers to block the trails to Pakistan. "The Americans would not listen, even when I told them that one word with me was worth more than $1 million of their high technology," said Mr. Zaher, 38. "Their attitude was, 'We must kill the enemy, but we must remain absolutely safe.' This is crazy. If they had been willing to take casualties to capture Osama then, perhaps they'd have to take fewer casualties now."

nobody?

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6. from second article at Hopsicker link: Atta on drugs

In an exclusive 3-hour videotaped interview at a secret location, 21-year old Amanda Keller, Mohamed Atta's former live-in girlfriend, revealed that supposed "Islamic fundamentalist" Mohamed Atta and his closest associates in Venice were habitual cocaine users.

"They were always drinking," Keller told us. "Always. Beer or wine, or sometimes rum. Once I had met everyone there (at a ' safe house' located in an condominium owned by Rudi Dekkers across the street from the Venice airport), they felt comfortable with me and pulled out the coke."

"You saw Mohamed Atta do coke?"

"Yeah. The first time I saw him use it he borrowed a dollar from me to roll up as a straw, and then asked me if I wanted to do a line laid out on a glass table in the living room they used to cut it on. I said no. To me it was like something you'd see in a movie. It was the first time I'd ever even seen cocaine."

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8. Yeah, as everyone knows,

strippers never see cocaine...

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9. well......they don't....unless they're looking over shoulder

as johns snort it off their asscheeks!

so, this is some popular discussion

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7. shoulda known Minstrel Boy's been all over lots of this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=1328855&mesg_id=1328855

old news, but still isn't getting any attention; might as well bring it back up

Why did Jeb Bush and federal agents seize records from Huffman Aviation - Florida flight school of Mohammed Atta, and other 9/11 hijackers - in the middle of the night following the attacks of September 11th and load them onto a C-130? And why did Jeb Bush know, hours after the attack, where to look?

"Whatever secrets Dekkers may possess about the terrorists, records from his flight school were deemed sensitive enough to have merited being escorted back to Washington by Florida Governor Jeb Bush aboard a C-130 cargo plane, which left Sarasota less than 24 hours after the September 11 attack."
http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0212/S00058.htm

lots and lots of info at the DU thread

more here, too:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=huffman+aviation+jeb+bush

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10. Hopsiker Radio Intvw Transcript---etc

http://www.rense.com/general33/dissc.htm

Filmmaker Hopsicker Discusses Odd Activities Of 911 'Ringleader'

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All of the facts that Daniel has presented in his video have been suppressed by every newspaper in the world, except, of course, for American Free Press. All of this information points to one thing: that Atta was not just "working for Osama bin Laden," if he was even working for bin Laden at all. Atta was moving in circles that were under the discipline of the U.S. government's own intelligence community.

Hopsicker:

I'll speculate for a moment: having spent a year in Venice on this investigation, it looks to me as if one of two things was going on here - and frankly, I have no idea which is correct. Either the CIA was running a covert operation and training hundreds of Arab pilots in an effort to place human assets in bin Laden's organization or somebody was trading oil and heroin for guns and training on the southwest coast of Florida from 1999 to 2001.

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Growing World View US Govt Was Complicit In 911

http://www.rense.com/general41/compli.htm

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on edit---oh yeah , almost forgot--

http://www.buttpaste.com/

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11. thanks, indigo! BUT.......

didn't you forget something?

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12. from same Rense site, another excerpt which is cautionary, maybe

I was afraid of this

while checking around I saw references to Barry Seal/Mena/Clinton

so who knows what to believe

is this why nobody's paying any attention:


It's beyond coincidence at this point. In fact, you'll even find that the owner of the flight school in Venice, Wallace J. Hilliard, was in business with a key figure in the Whitewater scandal, Truman Arnold, a Bill Clinton crony from Arkansas who had been the finance chairman of the Democratic Party.

Arnold's attorney in Whitewater was longtime Washington figure Richard Ben-Veniste, who was just named to sit on the 9-11 investigation panel.

So, Ben-Veniste has ties to people he is supposed to be investigating. So when you are talking, in this case, about the owner of the "terror flight school" you are talking about a person that anyone might naturally consider a possible suspect.

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13. and isn't that a key problem in everything having to do with BFEE?

going back to JFK assassination?

there's SO much stuff out there that seems to be disinfo that it's almost impossible to know what to believe

so how does one decide?

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15. Yep, that's how the truth hides in plain sight...

...just slime it a bit, and nobody gives it ANY credibility.

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14. Oh right...thank goodness for the edit window---

I rectified my shameful ommission.---

I heard the first couple of Hopsicker intvws, when he was just emerging with this. He is an interesting and amazing guy. He was the first person to bother to intvw Atta's girlfriend....Damn, what an eye opener that was. I reccommend digging through the Rense archives for that alone.

on edit---I just caught myself up on this thread and see your way ahead of me...I'm going back to sleep now.

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16. good......hope you've applied your cream

going over to Targe tomorrow for a month's supply

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17. I'm a paste man...

...you must be really chapped.

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18. my ass will be chapped at LEAST until Nov. 2

I pray it clears up immediately thereafter

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19. I figured...

...figured lots of that going around...it's why I rode to the rescue with Boudreaux's.

Everyone can thank me later.