Okay, I just saw CNN blame the fall of Poland on FDR

[FDRrocks]

AND I AM FUCKING DISGUSTED.

Not only did FDR fix our depression, he wanted to intervene at the point when Poland fell.

THE REPUBLICAN ISOLATIONIST CAUSE WAS TAKING MONEY FROM THE GERMAN FOREIGN EMBASSY TO SUPPORT THEIR CAUSE AT THIS POINT.

The pro-corporate press held up Hitler and Mussolini as primary examples of government before they started thier conquest of Europe.

This re-writing of history PISSES ME THE HELL OFF.

THE REPUBLICAN ISOLATIONISTS WERE APPEASERS ON THE LEVEL ON CHAMBERLAIN AND PETAIN.

Churchill *the bastard* and FDR SAVED DEMOCRACY.

FUCK the LIBERAL CNN.

[still_one]

1. Read "News Flash", and understand why the public is screwed

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0787972851/qid=1087031029/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_1/102-9453245-6856156

[Anarcho-Socialist]

2. That liberal media!

:wtf: CNN have become such shills for Bush.

[playahata1]

3. These people have gone BEYOND the bend.

I told myself to boycott CNN -- though I did tune in to catch (the last part of) Junior Reagan's eulogy to his Pops. Still, I have de-programmed CNN from my remote, so I will not give these liars the time of day, or night.

[still_one]

5. The only semi-new I watch is bloomberg

and that just for financial news, and Lou Dobbs. All other news sources is the BBC, 60 minutes, the Daily Show, and Air America.
I am so fed up with the lack of independence in the television media which has been taken over by the corporations.

Now we have huge monopolies, controlled mostly by the shrills.

I feel so much better that I have stopped listening to these jerks and their lies and distortions~

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

4. Can you be more specific?

Who said it and what exactly did they say? What program?

[punpirate]

6. Well, I think this is more an inference of...

... FDR, Stalin and Churchill cutting up the world in anticipation of the war ending.

America had remained neutral in the war Germany was propagating, even after the invasion of Poland, regardless of FDR's interests at the time.

If CNN thinks that FDR failed utterly because he didn't stop Hitler from invading Poland, they might explain exactly how FDR was to do that. (???)

Have no fear. The Poles probably realize that America hung back until it was drawn into the war. Once Japan attacked, FDR asked Congress to declare war on Japan, and when they did, Germany then declared war on the U.S. The donnybrook was on, at that point.

That FDR left Poland to the Russians as the war was ending was quite another matter. It could have been a matter of trading one country for another, like global Monopoly. Not a particularly smart way to engage in foreign relations, but that was the way it had been done in every previous war....

[ablbodyed]

7. Trading one country for another?....

just how was the US to have any influence on the ground? The Soviets were THERE. It was a fiat accompli. It was a race to get to Germany before the Sovs or they would have controlled all of that. The fact that Europe was split down the middle was a TRIBUTE to FDR. Should we have then attacked the Sovs. as nutjobs like Patton and MacArthur urged? How would we have won that? Nuked them? Why are there so few who have any grasp of history? I'm not attacking you P0nupirate, but really.

[punpirate]

8. No, really...

... read what I said. It was cutting up nickels. That was what it was about. Stalin had most of Poland toward the end of the war. It was the way things were done then.

C'mon. I'm not agreeing with CNN's puerile assessment. I'm speaking to a simple reality existing at the end of the war, which had an effect on negotiations at Yalta, and elsewhere. Every ally had its interests and its claim on geography. That's the reality of the situation as it was then.

Perhaps you misunderstand....

Cheers.

[Sirveri]

11. Wasn't FDR dead before Yalta happened?

Or is that where the famous picture is from, I know he died before Japan fell.

[elperromagico]

12. FDR attended the Yalta conference about a month before his death.

Here is a photograph from that conference (probably the famous one you speak of):



FDR died before the Potsdam Conference. Truman, Churchill, and Stalin attended that one. Then, mid-conference, Churchill's party was defeated in the general election by the Labour Party. Clement Attlee took his place at the conference.

[Sirveri]

15. Yeah that's the one.

Whenever I play Hearts of Iron the poor bastard croaks on me after I've taken out Germany and Japan and am in Moscow. So I needless to say have had my personal perspective of the war somewhat screwed up.

What do you mean the Germans didn't invade Southampton!
What do you mean that the Germans didn't invade Turkey and run down thru to the mideast! etc etc etc...

[punpirate]

14. The Yalta conference occurred from Feb. 4 to 11,1945....

Roosevelt died approximately two months later.

[tom_paine]

9. Man, that one must have come right off Rove's fax machine!

CNN is getting worse, quite rapidl.

We might have hated Walt Isaacson but he was better than what they have now.

[DaveSZ]

10. I just watched it too

I'd like some historians to chime in on this one before I form an opinion.

FDR acheived much, but he was not perfect by any means.

[the Kelly Gang]

13. and if Grandpa Prescott hadn't raised the cash, they wouldn't have

got to Poland.

When they start to malign FDR they are asking for trouble !

[Cooley Hurd]

16. CNN's Paula von Zahn is featuring Al Gore's firey speech...

...to MoveOn.org audience last month on her Monday show. Ads for it are saying, "Why is Al Gore so angry, and, is anyone listening?"

:grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr::grr:

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

17. Who is it we've always been at war with? Oceania or Eastasia? n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

21. On an Orwell Wavelength myself, today

Check this one out

[FDRrocks]

18. Selfish kick

just to show the DU'ers who are out of the loops the path that CNN is on. :)

[Warren DeMontague]

19. I've been saying forever and a day

that FDR is the next logical target for the right-wing revisionists. The folks who remember him are gradually getting older and passing on, and it's his legacy and easily the towering political figure of the US in the 20th Century they really need to contend with. It's no accident that it's him they talk about replacing with Dutch.

[FDRrocks]

20. He will never be toppled.

The only downfall I can think of of his presidency was the Supreme Court debacle.

He saved this world. He saved Britain, and moreover, he not only provided the strong leadership that was needed during the worldwide depression, he did it in a liberal way.

He was attempting to move America more towards the social democracies we see in Europe.

FDR was a blessing.

[Warren DeMontague]

22. They're already trying to say

that he "made the depression worse", that we would have been much better off if the robber barons had been able to "trickle down" on the, what was it, 40% unemployed?

[AP]

23. If CNN were around in '34, they would have been part of the fascist cheer-

leading ant-FDR coup plot, along with JP Morgan, Dupont and Ford.

By the way, foreign investment shot up in Italy and Germany when the fascits started arresting communist labor leaders who were arguing for more wealth in the hands of the workers.