NBC News: Rumsfeld may be war criminal

[MirrorAshes]

They just ran a segment saying that based on the interperetation of the law, Rumsfeld could be guilty of war crimes. Apparently he personally ordered a prisoner to be kept secret from the red cross.

Now what I don't get, is why a story like this isnt followed immediately by calls for resignations, impeachments, and prison terms. What the hell is going on when we can just mention war crimes in passing and move right along? :puke:

[Bluebear]

1. Don't be so negative! All that liberal hate! blah blah blah

[BootinUp]

51. nice nick

I likes it. :)

[Az]

54. Its being positive: I am positive Rummie is a criminal

I am positive that getting rid of him will make this nation a better place. I am positive that we can make this a better world. Now lets all hug. :grouphug:

[slinkerwink]

2. the right wing is in control of the media as well as of the congress

[tom_paine]

7. Unfortunately, that is almost 100% true

and the exceptions are simply not enough to count us as having a Free Press.

[Emboldened Chimp]

15. The fact they mentioned it is a good sign, me thinks...

[gulfcoastliberal]

24. They control all 3 branches of gov't plus the media nt

[dumpster_baby]

28. Right Wing also in control of both Democratic and GOP parties

and no one is willing to admit it.

[Must_B_Free]

38. You're not allowed to say that

because you're not being a good democrat.

Any deviation from the groupthink will be punished.

[WLKjr]

46. I know how that feels

:think:I got flamed bad this afternoon and critizied heavily about something I posted. Was insulted and called a liar because I got a little critical of my main man Kerry.....

[King_Crimson]

53. Yeah...I got pounded pretty good a couple days ago...

cussed up one side and down the other for just asking a question!

[bluestateguy]

3. Silly you: War crimes tribunals are only for the brown people countries

America was chosen by God to right the world. Didn't you get the memo?

[htuttle]

4. CBS carried the same story

They went on to a story about Enron suing California.

[xray s]

18. Enron suing California?

Why? Did Enron overlook some granny's piggy bank the last time they raped that state?

[htuttle]

20. They want another quarter billion dollars

California ordered to refund $270 million to Enron
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=626291&mesg_id=626291&page=

[bossfish]

30. You're F*cking kidding me....

I hope the judge laughs them out of court.

[maggrwaggr]

5. Rumsfeld bragged to the troops in Iraq that he was "the real survivor"

I'm surprised they didn't shoot him in the back.

Maybe they had to remove their ammo before they were forced to listen to his bullshit.

[TahitiNut]

8. Ubetcha. Ordinary troops aren't allowed to have loaded weapons ...

... around such folks. That's something they're really antsy about.

[stevedeshazer]

6. No kidding?

West coast here. Have to wait.

WE have to call for resignations and impeachments et cetera.

I'm way beyond waiting for someone else to do it. Call/write your congressman/senator. Especially the Republicans.

[MirrorAshes]

10. Also a pretty good story on the lack of Iraq-9/11 evidence

complete with clips of cheney lieing about it and bush admitting there was no connection

[stevedeshazer]

12. Thanks

I'll be watching....

[Soloflecks]

14. Why wait!?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5226957/

(salient excerpts)
It’s the first direct link between Secretary Rumsfeld and questionable though not violent treatment of prisoners in Iraq.
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In the military’s own investigation into prisoner abuse, Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba said efforts to hide prisoners from the Red Cross were, “deceptive” and a “violation of international law.”
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Pentagon officials claim it’s entirely lawful to hold prisoners in secret if they pose an immediate threat. But today, nearly one year after his capture, he’s still being held incommunicado.
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In fact, once the prisoner was returned to Iraq the interrogations ceased because the prisoner was entirely lost in the system.

Human rights critics call it a clear violation of the Geneva Convention.
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Pentagon officials still insist Secretary Rumsfeld acted legally, but admit it all depends on how you interpret the law.

[stevedeshazer]

19. Thanks

I read, but I like even more to see on network TV!

[sampsonblk]

9. Because we have WEAK party leaders

The Repubs called for President Clinton's impeachment over complete garbage. Now we have a clear case where impeachment is the duty of the congress, and where are our party "leaders?"

As long as we remain the party of weakness, we will keep losing. Hot tip for some: the public agrees with us on the issues. They vote against us because they think we don't stand up for anything. Do we?

[calimary]

36. Well, maybe we need to do an END RUN AROUND our weak party

leaders.

PLEASE NOTE MY SIG LINE – TO CALL YOUR REPS, TOLL FREE!!!

OR, TRY (877) – 762 – 8762. It’ll get you there, too! (Thank you, DUer redqueen!)


Please note, here, The World's Greatest Lists of Media Contacts – updated May 5, 2004– in the following thread:

LINK:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1533796#


IF THEY THINK WE DON’T CARE, THEY WON’T, EITHER!

[unkachuck]

42. You're right....I'm not sure....

....exactly what the Democratic Party leaders stand for anymore.....

....we're being lead by Corporate Democrats who are modestly left on social issues but never met a rich capitalist they didn't like.....hell, most of them are rich capitalists themselves.....

We may have to take our Party back before we can take our country back....

[prolesunited]

11. Why do you think they are pushing so hard to remain exempt?

US Pushes to Keep Its Troops Exempt From World Court

UNITED NATIONS - The Bush administration, facing a July 1 deadline when war crimes could be prosecuted by a new world criminal court, is stepping up efforts to exempt American troops and other US officials from the tribunal's jurisdiction.

Preparing for a battle likely to play out in the United Nations, world capitals, and the US Congress, administration officials and key Republican allies say they are pursuing a range of approaches to ensure the United States, which opposes the International Criminal Court, will not be subject to it.

All US ambassadors were told last month by Secretary of State Colin L. Powell to explore whether other nations were open to creating mutual agreements that would protect their ''nationals'' from the ''reach of the ICC,'' according to a copy of a diplomatic cable obtained by the Globe.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0523-02.htm

[Mechatanketra]

49. You damn skippy.

I said this the very first time I read a news story about the ICC: no matter how much bluster the administration pushes about fearing "politically motivated retribution", the most parsimonious explanation for their feverish rush to be exempted from war crimes prosecution is that they know they are or will be guilty of war crimes they would be prosecuted for.

It's just that simple, and it amazes me that Joe Sixpack -- who instantly concluded O.J. Simpson was guilty when he took off running -- can't see the same principle at work when the White House becomes the White Bronco House, is beyond me.

[Spinzonner]

13. I suspect that Rumsfeld and other members of the administration

may find themselves Piocheted:

Unable to leave the country for fear of being arrested overseas and held for prosecution of war crimes.

[DaveSZ]

16. Exactly

"As long as we remain the party of weakness, we will keep losing. Hot tip for some: the public agrees with us on the issues. They vote against us because they think we don't stand up for anything. Do we?"



Do you think FDR would have rolled over to this bullshit?

No.

[greendeerslayer]

25. You May Well Be Right -

- and let's hope Kerry extradites them!

[mmonk]

17. We don't do

war crimes. This is America. We exempt ourselves.

[bluedog]

21. the Patriot Act..........

bush, RICE, cheney, rumsfeld, and powell have commited FELONY VIOLATIONS of the U.S.A. Patriot Act.

Fabrication or misrepresentation of intelligence data on terrorism, (Iraq and WMD in Iraq), is a FELONY CLASS violation of the U.S.A. Patriot Act.

The Law - H. R. 3162 - U.S.A. Patriot Act
TITLE VIII-STRENGTHENING THE CRIMINAL LAWS AGAINST TERRORISM

SEC. 801. TERRORIST ATTACKS AND OTHER ACTS OF VIOLENCE
AGAINST MASS TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS. (9-11)

" ... conveys or causes to be conveyed false information, knowing the
information to be false,concerning an attempt or alleged attempt
being made or to be made,to do any act which would be a crime
prohibited by this subsection ... "

Prosecute bush with FELONY charges as provided for in the U.S.A. Patriot Act.
Force bush's lawyers to attack the Patriot Act.
Only the destruction of the Patriot Act in a court of law would provide relief to bush.
The damage done to bush and his cabal and the Patriot Act by using this law against its creators will be immeasurable.

If we rid ourselves of bush, the Patriot Act remains, tempting the next President to ascend the ladder of TYRANNY with the Patriot Act.
I assert that destroying the Patriot Act is more important than getting rid of bush.
FOCUS ON THE FELONY.

[BeFree]

31. Yeah, Patriot Act the SOB's

Now who was it that used to say: "The president is not above the law"

Oh, that's right, it was the republicans, just a few years ago. Wherdy go? Oh, that's right, their guy is the &*^R^*%&^& now. Nevermind. Ya never could count on the pukes to ensure good government, just a pukish government.
And that's what we have: a government that is vomitting all over the world. Well, we had best take care of our own, eh?

Anybody know how to do a citizen's arrest? I suggest we posse up ride into DC, and arrest the criminals residing therein.

The Law - H. R. 3162 - U.S.A. Patriot Act
TITLE VIII-STRENGTHENING THE CRIMINAL LAWS AGAINST TERRORISM

SEC. 801. TERRORIST ATTACKS AND OTHER ACTS OF VIOLENCE
AGAINST MASS TRANSPORTATION SYSTEMS. (9-11)

" ... conveys or causes to be conveyed false information, knowing the
information to be false,concerning an attempt or alleged attempt
being made or to be made,to do any act which would be a crime
prohibited by this subsection ... "

[Cheswick2.0]

22. Is it possible that he could be arrested while out of the country?

I would love to see Rummy doing the perp walk, handcuffed by some agent of the UN.

[bobthedrummer]

23. HE'S A GONER, FINALLY! ON TO CHENEY!!!

eom

[Lindsey]

26. Our founding father's worse nightmare:

no balance of power. The repubs have the executive branch, congress, and the supreme court. Unbelievable.

[Generator]

40. Bingo!!

And with blackmails and payoffs to the media, and spies like Novak doing their dirty work. (course I'm still hoping that little "prank" brings 'em down)

Rove & * are nothing but Frat boys with no conscience and no brains.

Rumscum & reptilian lizard VP are nothing more than what they show they are-the smart fraternity boys that like to operate on live subjects.

[0007]

27. May be? No doubt in my mind that Rumsfeld and Franks

belong in 'The Hague'.

[Paragon]

29. Why do you hate America?

;-)

:silly:

[Generator]

41. C'mon you know why

Cause we got nuthin better to do. When we're done reading our elite media we foam and hate because we are a ungodly people.

We lie about sex and tell the truth about war. That's the kind of people we are. Un-darn-Amerikan.

[Hubert Flottz]

32. Rumbo ain't the only bad apple in the Bush administration!

They are all rotten to the core!

[opihimoimoi]

34. BAE BAE Dammit its BAEBAE

Bad Apples Everywhere

OMG

What to do, What to do?

Come, we gather strength, Demand good apples, nice shiney ones, good on the inside and tasty too. Forget voting for bad apples. Rotteness will get us nowhere.

[Hubert Flottz]

43. Rotten apples only.......................................

Make the pie higher! It's the bad gas the dekkkay puts off! The Greed Worms have infested the great American Apple Pie and turned it into a plate of dekkkaying Bushit!

[Kanary]

33. Why no outrage? We're the "outrage"!

Most people are waiting for "the other guy" to start the ball rolling.

So, we need to be "the other guy".

Call 800-839-5276, and start making a lot of noise at any of the congresscritters offices you can think of. Call and call and tell 'em you want war crimes charges, and write LTTEs and put on pressure wherever you can think of. We're the ones we've been waiting for.

Here's the ball......... watch it roll..........

Kanary

[MirrorAshes]

35. You're right

and it really is the time to act. This is as serious as it gets.

[proud patriot]

37. wheeeeeeeeeeee !

:D

[Catherine Vincent]

39. Hannity, Scarbrough or O'Reilly and the old impeachment douchbags

from the 90's won't be bothered by it. Rumsfeld isn't a Democrat. Move along now.

[shraby]

44. Anybody notice,

it didn't come out on a Friday or Saturday.

[Hutzpa]

45. Good!!!!!

:kick:

[Octafish]

47. It's nice to see Rumsferatu finally get some of the credit he deserves.

If guilty, that would be one down and a whole lot of BFEE to go.

BTW: A hearty welcome to DU, MirrorAshes! Where ya been?

[maggrwaggr]

48. you mean this sweet, lovable man ......?

[Hekate]

50. Nightline (ABC) started a series Wednesday on torture

The program was very thorough. They tracked memoes, they interviewed people, they named names as high as they could (Rumsfeld, absolutely), they got into the business of the posse of JAG lawyers flying to New York to have a private meeting with a prominent human rights lawyer because they were so upset at the overthrow of decent military law. Ted Koppel said unequivocally that any American school child could tell you that America does not condone torture, but that the president and his handlers (I mean advisors) were redefining both the term and the laws that cover it.

Ted said that while it may not be appropriate to have a debate about an issue like torture in the midst of an attack (I think he was saying that when the Towers are falling it's necessary to get the info regardless) that NOW is a very GOOD time to be debating whether and why the US government would ever sanction torture.

At that point he announced that the debate begins tomorrow night, Thursday.

Be there or be square, and may the Goddess of Liberty bless the Nightline crew.

Hekate

[in_cog_ni_to]

52. Look at what these people did to Clinton

for 8 fucking years and they have lied their way through this damn war and NOTHING has stuck. They should ALL be indicted as war criminals and serve the rest of their lives behind bars. Will it happen? If the Democtas on the Hill get off their asses and start SCREAMING about this, maybe. I'm hoping something is going on behind closed doors and the Dems are just waiting for the right time to make their move.