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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 12:05 AM
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The Wash Post going after RUMSFELD full tilt. A must read.
Edited on Mon Jun-21-04 12:12 AM by LittleApple81
This appeared in Editorials in DU, but I think it deserves a wider readership:

Torture Policy (cont'd)
Monday, June 21, 2004; Page A18

SECRETARY OF DEFENSE Donald H. Rumsfeld expressed dismay on Thursday about editorials in which "the implication is that the United States government has, in one way or another, ordered, authorized, permitted, tolerated torture." Such reports, he said, raised questions among U.S. troops in Iraq, reduced the willingness of people in Iraq and Afghanistan to cooperate with the United States, and could be used by others as an excuse to torture U.S. soldiers or civilians. This was wrong, he said, because "I have not seen anything that suggests that a senior civilian or military official of the United States of America . . . could be characterized as ordering or authorizing or permitting torture or acts that are inconsistent with our international treaty obligations or our laws or our values as a country."

Since Mr. Rumsfeld referred directly to The Post, we believe we owe him a response. We agree that the country is at war and that we all must weigh our words accordingly. We also agree that the consequences of the revelations of prisoner abuse are grave. As supporters of the missions in Iraq and Afghanistan, we have been particularly concerned about the ways that the scandal -- and the administration's continuing failure to come to terms with it -- could undermine the chances for success. We also have warned about the uses that might be made of it by captors of Americans. What strikes us as extraordinary is that Mr. Rumsfeld would suggest that this damage would be caused by newspaper editorials rather than by his own actions and decisions and those of other senior administration officials.

What might lead us to describe Mr. Rumsfeld or some other "senior civilian or military official" as "ordering or authorizing or permitting" torture or violation of international treaties and U.S. law? We could start with Mr. Rumsfeld's own admission during the same news conference that he had personally approved the detention of several prisoners in Iraq without registering them with the International Committee of the Red Cross. This creation of "ghost prisoners" was described by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba, who investigated abuses at Abu Ghraib prison, as "deceptive, contrary to Army doctrine and in violation of international law." Failure to promptly register detainees with the Red Cross is an unambiguous breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention; Mr. Rumsfeld said that he approved such action on several occasions, at the request of another senior official, CIA Director George J. Tenet.

more at link:(worth every penny!)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56753-2004Jun20.html
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LittleApple81 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 12:15 AM
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1. I am going to bed. Good night everybody. But this is an EXCELLENT READ.
nt
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Tellurian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 12:25 AM
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2. Thanks, LA..
bookmarking for the am..
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 01:08 AM
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3. That's pretty encouraging. There it is in black and white.
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LibertyorDeath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 01:51 AM
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4. Bravo for the WP the closer to the election the nastier it gets
Thanks LittleApple81 good read indeed

" Failure to promptly register detainees with the Red Cross is an unambiguous breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention;

Rumsferatu is in deep shit

So it's all Tenet's fault eh Rumster you shit weasel

These people are sickening in the extreme
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 03:13 AM
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5. Nice going. Whatta kick.
:kick: :kick: :kick:

Hekate
I want my country back
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 03:29 AM
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6. Tenet and Rumsfailed- Guilty!
Rumsfeld and Tenet had personally approved the detention of several prisoners in Iraq without registering them with the International Committee of the Red Cross. This creation of "ghost prisoners" was described by Maj. Gen. Antonio M. Taguba, who investigated abuses at Abu Ghraib prison, as "deceptive, contrary to Army doctrine and in violation of international law." Failure to promptly register detainees with the Red Cross is an unambiguous breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention."

Who has authorized over 24 secret prison camps?

Will these criminals be indicted?
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 04:00 AM
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7. As A True - Blooded, Blue-Blooded American I must ask............
"When are we allowed to compare this cabal to the Nazi's"???

How many more dead???
How many more countries destroyed?
How many more tortured???
How many more raped????


How many more?????????????? Tucker?, O'Really, Limbutt, ?????




my brain hurts....goin' to sleep.........zzzzzzzz
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althecat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 05:34 AM
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8. Was kinda hoping they might say that the best way to restore the balance..
.. would be for Rummy to fall on his sword.

That said it is a great editorial nevertheless...
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 06:00 AM
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9. For everyone here that does not like to register, www.bugmenot.com
n/t
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moof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 06:52 AM
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10. Ok Legal people what does the indictment say ?
Does it say indicted for the war crime against the 4th geneva convention ?
Also who writes up the indictment ?
Is it legally correct to say that since rummy admitted to hiding prisoners he is a war criminal ?

How about unindicted war criminal ?
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Wonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-21-04 03:41 PM
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11. kick
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