nixonwasbetterthanW
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Thu Jun-24-04 07:58 PM
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Bush/Plame "interview" -- legal ramifications |
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Bush, not under oath, was interviewed by Fitzgerald et al today for 70 minutes.
Without his being sworn, Bush's "testimony" would be close to useless in any subsequent legal proceeding.
So I'm wondering. Might today's session lead to an official Bush visit to the grand jury at a future date?
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:01 PM
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While he cannot be tried for perjury based on today's interview, it does provide for possible "inconsistent statements." It has great value for further legal proceedings.
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:05 PM
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nixonwasbetterthanW
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:06 PM
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6. but "inconsistency" for a perjury rap has to be under oath |
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In other words, you've got to be under oath twice to obtain a charge of perjury. ("Are you lying now under oath, or did you lie the first time you were put under oath?")
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:21 PM
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that it couldn't be used for a perjury charge. An "inconsistent statement" is not limited to something given under oath. Let's look at another example: Scott Peterson gave many interviews to the news media. The DA now can use any one where he gives an inconsistent statement, although they were not under oath. Again, exactly as I said the first time, this interview was of great value.
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:27 PM
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13. And remember all the public statements |
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where Bush said he knew nothing about the leak. Hmmm...
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:36 PM
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I'm basically in agreement with you. I realize the inconsistent statements may be useful. But I wonder in what way.
As for the inconsistencies, those would seem to be more of a political than criminal liability for Bush. If he remains unindicted but subsequently changes his story anyway, he'd have to accept the political consequences of lying but might avoid legal jeopardy.
In a criminal case, you'd want the inconsistencies on the record so as to impeach the credibility of the witness (Bush). But by that point, you're talking about the president of the United States actually testifying at trial! Is it possible that Fitzgerald is really trying to set up such a situation?
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:38 PM
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and then, after meeting with this attorney, bush started answering press conference questions about the issue with terse, "You'll have to ask the attorneys (also: investigators)." From lying and denying to the old "no comment"!!!
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:02 PM
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however, will Bush Respect the U.S. Court System.
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:04 PM
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Edited on Thu Jun-24-04 08:10 PM by lancdem
A source I talked to said there are constitutional reasons neither Bush nor Cheney were called before the grand jury. He's not being let off the hook, believe me. The source said Bush's interview is a signal the investigation will be wrapping up and indictments will be issued very soon.
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:05 PM
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5. Too bad Fitzgerald is a Republican. I just don't trust them. |
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:15 PM
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he brought down the Repuke governor in Illinois. BTW, if there weren't going to be indictments, Fitzgerald would've shut down the grand jury awhile ago.
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:08 PM
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7. It is a federal crime to lie to federal authorities during questioning. |
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A false statement made in response to an inquiry by an FBI or other Federal agent, or made voluntarily to an agent can fall within the purview of 18 U.S.C. § 1001. The maximum penalty is five years in prison and a $250,000 fine. http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/eousa/foia_reading_room/usam/title9/crm00916.htm
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:10 PM
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8. i.e., Martha Stewart.. |
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It would be lovely irony if Bush gets caught under the same rules that caught Martha - I think even Martha would laugh at that.
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:11 PM
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... my picture is becoming much less murky.
Now I'm wondering how much James Sharp Esq. shared his knowledge of this law with his client.
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:20 PM
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IMHO most sociopaths don't ever think they are lying when they spin their version of the truth. A lawyer can not do anything more than warn his client that if he lies, he could face charges under the section. * has no respect for the laws, not U.S. laws or international laws, as is evident from his administration. No lawyer can adequately represent him because he is above the law and has no respect for the law, thus no respect for his lawyer.
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Thu Jun-24-04 08:32 PM
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14. To catch him in more lies nt |
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