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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 09:33 AM
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Moore did what the Media, Republicans and Democrats refused to do
- The last four years have literally put democracy on its death bed. It's no accident or coincidence that America's free press and representative government suffered the same fate at the same time. Once the free press was eliminated and 'corporatized'...congress and the courts were set free to lie with impunity, ignore or enable government corruption and loot the treasury.

- Most Americans understand that we haven't had a working government since the 2000 election. Even if they couldn't find the right words...somewhere in the depths of their hearts and minds they understood that the Supreme Court's interference in a presidential election was illegal and unConstitutional. They knew they were witnessing the hostile takeover of the free press and the People's government.

- The American media danced around it. Democrats whined, complained and mumbled their discontent. But it took Moore's F911 to connect the dots and inform America about what the media, executive branch, courts and congress had been trying to hide behind a facade of false patriotism and fear for nearly four years.

- Moore opened Pandora's Box. No amount of propaganda or disinformation will be enough to close it or put back its contents. The information is out there. The lies. The deceit. The inhumanity. The war crimes. The complicity. The truth.

- Informed citizenry = informed consent. America can no longer claim ignorance. If they continue to support Bush's* destructive policies or vote for him* in November...they'll be collaborators in the downfall of the United States of America. Hyperbole? See you in November.
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eaprez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 09:36 AM
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1. As I watched
Chris Matthews this morning - I found myself wondering when did reporters cease to report and become politically correct mouthpieces afraid to call a spade a spade. Talking like politicians. It seems its been forgotten that it is their job to hold a presidents feet to the fire. Its the press that keeps them honest. Not any more. Had they been doing their job we wouldn't be in the mess we're in now.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 09:42 AM
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3. Politicians have always hated the 'free press'...
Edited on Sun Jun-27-04 09:43 AM by Q
...for that exact reason. Jefferson and many of the Founders constantly complained about the press...but none of them wanted to control or eliminate it. They KNEW that a free press was an absolute necessary for a democracy.

- What happened to the American media? It was purchased by ideologues who cared more about pushing a RWing agenda and the bottom line than informing Americans about THEIR government.

- Moore is part of a movement that was created out of necessity...in the absence of a free press and honest government.
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 09:37 AM
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2. yes, as hubby remarked last nite "You can't un-ring the bell" n/t
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the Kelly Gang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 09:47 AM
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4. the press has been mind boggling subservient..more power to Moore !
lets hope he inspires lots of other film-makers, journos to get out there and do the job.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 01:33 PM
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20. yes, it shows you can get rich and famous by telling the fucking TRUTH
there's an actual economic demand for the truth out there.

An actual hunger for it.
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camby Donating Member (411 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 09:49 AM
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5. God Bless Moore
You are absolutely correct. Each and every one of us needs to do our best to get everyone we know to see this movie. I disagree with those who say that die-hard Bushies will not be convinced. The issues brought up in the movie go beyond politics. This isn't about liberal versus conservative. This is about democracy versus tyranny.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:20 AM
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6. "one if by land; two if by sea"
my chosen avatar symbolizes the PC as it connects and networks with other patriots in reclaiming our heritage and rescuing America; guiding our Ship of State home to safe harbor ... the Cape Henry lighthouse is located at a point where many colonists first caught glimpse of the shores of Freedom and Liberty - including my own ancestors

Fahrenheit 9/11 as a modern-day
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Paul Revere's Ride
Henry Wadsworth Longfellow
----------------------------------------------------------------------

Listen my children and you shall hear
Of the midnight ride of Paul Revere,
On the eighteenth of April, in Seventy-five;
Hardly a man is now alive
Who remembers that famous day and year.
He said to his friend, "If the British march
By land or sea from the town to-night,
Hang a lantern aloft in the belfry arch
Of the North Church tower as a signal light,--
One if by land, and two if by sea;
And I on the opposite shore will be,
Ready to ride and spread the alarm
Through every Middlesex village and farm,
For the country folk to be up and to arm."

Then he said "Good-night!" and with muffled oar
Silently rowed to the Charlestown shore,
Just as the moon rose over the bay,
Where swinging wide at her moorings lay
The Somerset, British man-of-war;
A phantom ship, with each mast and spar
Across the moon like a prison bar,
And a huge black hulk, that was magnified
By its own reflection in the tide.

Meanwhile, his friend through alley and street
Wanders and watches, with eager ears,
Till in the silence around him he hears
The muster of men at the barrack door,
The sound of arms, and the tramp of feet,
And the measured tread of the grenadiers,
Marching down to their boats on the shore.

Then he climbed the tower of the Old North Church,
By the wooden stairs, with stealthy tread,
To the belfry chamber overhead,
And startled the pigeons from their perch
On the sombre rafters, that round him made
Masses and moving shapes of shade,--
By the trembling ladder, steep and tall,
To the highest window in the wall,
Where he paused to listen and look down
A moment on the roofs of the town
And the moonlight flowing over all.

Beneath, in the churchyard, lay the dead,
In their night encampment on the hill,
Wrapped in silence so deep and still
That he could hear, like a sentinel's tread,
The watchful night-wind, as it went
Creeping along from tent to tent,
And seeming to whisper, "All is well!"
A moment only he feels the spell
Of the place and the hour, and the secret dread
Of the lonely belfry and the dead;
For suddenly all his thoughts are bent
On a shadowy something far away,
Where the river widens to meet the bay,--
A line of black that bends and floats
On the rising tide like a bridge of boats.

Meanwhile, impatient to mount and ride,
Booted and spurred, with a heavy stride
On the opposite shore walked Paul Revere.
Now he patted his horse's side,
Now he gazed at the landscape far and near,
Then, impetuous, stamped the earth,
And turned and tightened his saddle girth;
But mostly he watched with eager search
The belfry tower of the Old North Church,
As it rose above the graves on the hill,
Lonely and spectral and sombre and still.
And lo! as he looks, on the belfry's height
A glimmer, and then a gleam of light!
He springs to the saddle, the bridle he turns,
But lingers and gazes, till full on his sight
A second lamp in the belfry burns.

A hurry of hoofs in a village street,
A shape in the moonlight, a bulk in the dark,
And beneath, from the pebbles, in passing, a spark
Struck out by a steed flying fearless and fleet;
That was all! And yet, through the gloom and the light,
The fate of a nation was riding that night;
And the spark struck out by that steed, in his flight,
Kindled the land into flame with its heat.
He has left the village and mounted the steep,
And beneath him, tranquil and broad and deep,
Is the Mystic, meeting the ocean tides;
And under the alders that skirt its edge,
Now soft on the sand, now loud on the ledge,
Is heard the tramp of his steed as he rides.

It was twelve by the village clock
When he crossed the bridge into Medford town.
He heard the crowing of the cock,
And the barking of the farmer's dog,
And felt the damp of the river fog,
That rises after the sun goes down.

It was one by the village clock,
When he galloped into Lexington.
He saw the gilded weathercock
Swim in the moonlight as he passed,
And the meeting-house windows, black and bare,
Gaze at him with a spectral glare,
As if they already stood aghast
At the bloody work they would look upon.

It was two by the village clock,
When he came to the bridge in Concord town.
He heard the bleating of the flock,
And the twitter of birds among the trees,
And felt the breath of the morning breeze
Blowing over the meadow brown.
And one was safe and asleep in his bed
Who at the bridge would be first to fall,
Who that day would be lying dead,
Pierced by a British musket ball.

You know the rest. In the books you have read
How the British Regulars fired and fled,---
How the farmers gave them ball for ball,
>From behind each fence and farmyard wall,
Chasing the redcoats down the lane,
Then crossing the fields to emerge again
Under the trees at the turn of the road,
And only pausing to fire and load.

So through the night rode Paul Revere;
And so through the night went his cry of alarm
To every Middlesex village and farm,---
A cry of defiance, and not of fear,
A voice in the darkness, a knock at the door,
And a word that shall echo for evermore!
For, borne on the night-wind of the Past,
Through all our history, to the last,
In the hour of darkness and peril and need,
The people will waken and listen to hear
The hurrying hoof-beats of that steed,
And the midnight message of Paul Revere.


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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:25 AM
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7. Which is why . . .
NBC, CBS, ABC and the others are subjecting a documentary film in limited release to such withering scrutiny, and willing to lie about what it says in order to prop up their own negligent reporting.

Hey guys, if you'd been doing your jobs for the last four years, you might still be enjoying the sight of the Twin Towers on the NYC skyline. On behalf of the people of the United States, thanks a fucking heap -- for nothing.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:27 AM
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8. That's why they're all so busy saying that the film will have no effect...
because Moore's film is making them all look so bad.
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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 10:38 AM
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9. Most importantly, he showed you can make a buck or two in the process.
The whores think they give the populace what they want. Moore has proven otherwise. We want a press that hits back hard, that asks tough questions, that shows a REAL concern for the citizens.

Ticket sales prove that people LOVE dissent. Even people who agree with the administration will want to see the movie out of curiosity, in order to let their blood really boil (I imagine it's the same reason some libs. listen to thrice-divorced pill-popper), or simply to know "where the enemy is coming from (again, why many on the left may listen to our favorite addict).

Moore did something simple: he didn't allow the administration dictate his own talking points. The news allows something like the following to happen:

"Most experts agree that 2+2=4; the administration, however, contends that 2+2=5. They justify this claim by citing X,Y,Z. Democrats argue that the administration is playing a numbers game. But the administration argues that the dems. are playing politics as usual."

But nowhere will our press point out that 2+2=4. Moore simply, and forcefully, points this out. And he WILL NOT let anyone get away with saying it's 5.
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 11:07 AM
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11. Well...he showed that ONE PERSON can make a difference...
...all one needs is determination and a will to see the job done. Although everyone needs money...it seems that F911 was a work of passion more than profit.
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ithinkmyliverhurts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 11:13 AM
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12. No doubt about it; the movie was made out of pure passion.
But it shows others, who don't have that passion, that there is a huge audience out there who craves such movies. For most studios, the bottom line is all that matters.

Suck it, Disney.
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Malva Zebrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 11:05 AM
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10. Is it fixable? Which model do we follow, now that almost all we have
reporting are lemmings after fame and the big salary? Are they really catering to a shallow people who are only interested in the sensational or are they manipulating the people with continued tittilation and fantasia?

What would fix it? Anything?
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 11:14 AM
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13. The new 'model' will be that of the 'alternative media'...
...until the free press returns to its former function: informing the people about their government. There is no such thing as a free nation and society with a media that reports or doesn't report what the government dictates.

- Nothing can 'fix' the media as long as it's considered just another corporation. The same thing goes for radio and television...that used to have a MANDATE to serve the public in return for use of the public airwaves.

- Perhaps the crux of the problem is that we've allowed our government to be operated like a corporation...with CEOs promoting corporate welfare instead of leaders promoting social welfare? The media gets a cut from the corporate welfare pie...making it obvious why they'd rather have a corporate government than social welfare.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 11:25 AM
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14. Good post
I just wish our Democrat "leaders" would speak out as forcefully.



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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:32 PM
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15. I know why Republicans don't want to deal in introspection...
....because they won't like what they see in the mirror. But I simply can't understand why Democrats are 'acting' like Republicans with their head in the sand. Do they think we haven't noticed?

- Dem apologists say that there's nothing our party can do because they're not in the majority. But AT THE VERY LEAST they could speak out against Bush* and his anti-American policies and go on the RECORD.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 01:01 PM
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18. You are correct - the could actually ACT like the OPPOSITION party!
Only a very very select few have the balls/ovaries to do that.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 01:02 PM
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19. "Play it safe"
"We must get the moderates." "We need the south." "We're centrists."
"We're tough on Defense", etc., etc, ad nauseum.

The usual crappola that led Kerry to vote for the IWR and Gephardt to kiss boobya's ass in the Rose Garden.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:49 PM
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16. Dean did speak out on it. Moore recently called him a name.
The other Democrats went after him, and the media attacked him. But last year he did start picking away at this house of cards we call an administration, and he showed they were vulnerable.

And he also said we are in a civil war here, and we can not afford to be too nice.

When I see what is happening to C-Span, NPR, and PBS, then I believe him.

Moore has a right to not like him, but he should recognize his efforts.


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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 12:54 PM
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17. Moore is carrying on the dream
And yes, I do think a fair and accurate statement. Moore wants a better America for all. In order to achieve that, the blinders must come off, justifications and rationalizations must stop..and the people must see the government for what it's become.

No more myths to sustain us. The truth must be faced. Justice must be done....or America will never heal.

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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-27-04 06:33 PM
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21. The truth will destroy the Bush* cabal...
...along with many Republicans and Democrats. This is why both sides continue to play on the same team. They know that once the WHOLE truth is exposed it will mean the literal end of both the NeoCons and NeoDems. Both parties have participated...

Homeland 'security'

'Patriot' act

Illegal wars

Obstruction of justice

Covering up war crimes

Circumventing the Constitution of the United States of America

- F911 showed only the tip of the iceberg.
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